el sid Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Kalouuuuuuuuuuuuu is great mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Chicha would've been offside or the ball would have rebounded off his foot into our own half. Revisionism at its best. To be fair though, he was always getting into the right positions in the end of his tenure at United. I remember the last match or two, he was missing an ass ton of chances. Now, we could say that's "par the course" for him, but the other explanation is that he was under a ton of pressure that lead to an unfavourable state of mind. He was marked for ejection, wasn't getting games, and who knows what was said before he finally got on the pitch? "Score, or you're out?!" I'll miss the lad, he really should have got a lot more games tbh. That said, he never fit in for me on FM either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Rooney's awful level of performance contributes to the low chance creation though. Nope, our style of play contributes to the low chance creation more than anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Nope, our style of play contributes to the low chance creation more than anything Look how many forwards create their own chances with a dribble/bit of skill/faint and then a shot - Costa, Aguero, Benteke, Vardy, Kane etc. Rooney just can't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Look how many forwards create their own chances with a dribble/bit of skill/faint and then a shot - Costa, Aguero, Benteke, Vardy, Kane etc. Rooney just can't do that. That doesn't change the fact that our team style, which is your primary source of creating chances, is well below par in what it delivers. To get that feint, you need to be getting pickup in a half chance position, we are not creating those enough. Rooney is playing well below par, but the idea that the lack of chances is his fault is nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That argument is ridiculous. We have the ball in good positions but we have no one making any runs in behind. So of course the ball doesn't get played forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 That argument is ridiculous. We have the ball in good positions but we have no one making any runs in behind. So of course the ball doesn't get played forwards. The ball actually takes an age to go forwards. Not that its all about going forwards. We don't actually drag people out of space. You need to move a deep defence laterally, and force them to make decisions against runners from deep. Neither of which happen regularly. Our biggest issue is actually is against teams with deep lines, where there is less space to make runs behind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Jesus christ what a boring post. We don't have a striker that moves and does any of those things. If we did the ball would get played to him quicker. Teams play deep v City. They have a mobile striker that does well enough but for us there's no space for the striker to do anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Jesus christ what a boring post. We don't have a striker that moves and does any of those things. If we did the ball would get played to him quicker. Boring but accurate. Wasn't trying to entertain your child like mind. It's not just the striker either that's the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 It's clear that the striker is one of the main problems, no runs, no movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Jesus christ what a boring post. We don't have a striker that moves and does any of those things. If we did the ball would get played to him quicker.Teams play deep v City. They have a mobile striker that does well enough but for us there's no space for the striker to do anything. City have Sterling, KDB, Toure creating space and angles from deep too. As well as Rooney being immobile we don't do enough of that either, with the possible recent exception of Lingard. Herrera is under utilised for unknown reasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Boring but accurate. Wasn't trying to entertain your child like mind. It's not just the striker either that's the issue. The striker is the main issue, yeah. Quite clearly. Boring was against you, btw. the post reminded me of our football this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Considering we apparently have the worst forward in living memory and don't create any chances, yet are still 4th only two points behind the leader, imagine how well we could do if our offensive play ticked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 The few times I've seen km stats from our matches, Rooney has been one of the top guys. Admittedly some of that is in defensive work because he's a hard worker and a good team player, but descriptions such as "no runs", "no movement", "immobile" are hardly pinpoint accurate statements about his involvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 The few times I've seen km stats from our matches, Rooney has been one of the top guys. Admittedly some of that is in defensive work because he's a hard worker and a good team player, but descriptions such as "no runs", "no movement", "immobile" are hardly pinpoint accurate statements about his involvement. Maybe I should have been more clear when saying "no runs" and "no movement". I meant it in a sense of him not making the runs or moving as a striker should to create space for himself that can result in him having a chance. I think that was quite clear tbh. Nobody has ever said he doesn't cover a lot of ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Maybe I should have been more clear when saying "no runs" and "no movement". I meant it in a sense of him not making the runs or moving as a striker should to create space for himself that can result in him having a chance. I think that was quite clear tbh. Nobody has ever said he doesn't cover a lot of ground. It feels like he's always a half second behind the tempo. What's our next game, away against Watford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Yeah, Carrick is always pretty high on the distance travelled charts as well. Players who are continuously moving at a jog are always highest whereas those who are making high impact sprints lag behind on total distance. The issue is the latter with Rooney, he does more than enough drifting during a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Rooney's awful level of performance contributes to the low chance creation though. Nope, our style of play contributes to the low chance creation more than anything And I mean whatever you think of Rooney, that's just factually incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Well that's Carrick ****ed then. People wonder why I hate England when they take off Delph and Lallana but leave a 34 year old Carrick to play 90 minutes in a meaningless friendly. *****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Well that's Carrick ****ed then.People wonder why I hate England when they take off Delph and Lallana but leave a 34 year old Carrick to play 90 minutes in a meaningless friendly. *****. Smalling looked a bit ropey as well. Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 and Rooney still can't finish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 What does the debt stand at now? And what are they interest payments that we make each year?Doesn't the club have enough to just pay off the loan now? Surely that would be the sensible option. Obviously there are people involved in the club that know a lot more about this than me. Debt is £420m so it had gone up by about £35m, wage bill is also up and interest payments are about £13m We don't have the cash to pay it off and no point refinancing it as it is quite cheap. The Glazers keep taking out cash though and that debt will always be there unless we start paying it down again. I feel Glazers are content to run the club with the debt as a standing position and not bother by it as they keep unlocking cash from us. The PIKs are another thing, how did the Glazers pay that off all those years ago. I still believe there is an off the books deal via another company where most of the PIK debt sits. Hard to see a family that has to take money from the club for their day to day needs had nearly £250m to clear them. Our strong commercial performance but high debt will not attract a rich owner, it will attract private equity investors who would pay a good penny to Glazer crew for an entity like United and just repeat what the Glazers did. Load on debt and then start paying it down using the clubs money while taking off the top. Which is why the Glazers are still here, they would not offload the golden goose to someone else who is just after the same eggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 If it is ligament damage and long term for Carrick that might be the end, no? He will be 35. Sad if true. And, now we will be in market for a center mid. Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 we'd have been in the market for one anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artest Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Why is David Beckham's son playing in OT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohanzee Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Beckham, Scholes and Giggs looking like they never retired. Don't think any of them would look bad in a Premier League match still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Why is David Beckham's son playing in OT? He was terrible! He's the one that was released from the Arsenal youth team right? You can see why, he's rubbish. Brought back memories, Beck's right foot is still a work of art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Becks is the best crosser of a ball football has ever seen. No one would be able to convince me otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 He was terrible! He's the one that was released from the Arsenal youth team right? You can see why, he's rubbish. Brought back memories, Beck's right foot is still a work of art. Kid should stick to modelling. Cruz and Romeo are apparently good prospects though cos they started off earlier than Brooklyn did. Brooklyn did very nearly set up David for a goal though which would've been a sight to see. And two former Man Utd players getting the GB goals (Scholes and Owen x2) is always nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I mean he is 16, probably not going to be very good in his first game in front of 75,000 people alongside his dad and his heroes regardless of whether he's got talent or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Brooklyn came on for David, didn't he? not sure how you reckon he set him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Brooklyn came on for David but then David subbed back on for someone else I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Only seen Beckham's cross for Scholes which was wonderful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Brooklyn came on for David but then David subbed back on for someone else I think. Came on for Sol Campbell towards the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Watching the highlights just makes me wish Ronaldinho had ended up here. Would've been frustrating but he is still amazing to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 more movement in Neville Beckham and Scholes then in our current team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Lingard called up to the England squad to replace Vardy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Lingard called up to the England squad to replace Vardy. Really? This has got to be the easiest england team to get into ever. He has started 2 games ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Lingard? FFS Hodgson From starting Jones over Clyne & Stones in recent matches to calling up Lingard to replace the league's top scorer, no wonder people will think theres a big team bias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hodgson wants to injure him before his career can take off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pago Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 If it is ligament damage and long term for Carrick that might be the end, no? He will be 35. Sad if true. And, now we will be in market for a center mid. Again. It's 'only' ankle ligament damage though. Basically spraining your ankle = ligament damage (there are worse cases but they don't generally keep people out for more than 6 weeks or so). It's not like knees where they do screw up your career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 "There's been talk of a philosophy, a process. For me, Manchester United don't need a philosophy."The fans want to see attacking football and goals -- that's the Manchester United way." Sorry to break it to you Scholesy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Damn....now we get why he never said much for years. Off a football pitch he is as thick as they come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I'm really getting confused what philosophy in football is really supposed to mean tbf as it gets thrown about far too often... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Because LvG clearly doesn't have a naturally wide vocabulary in English he uses the same words over and over, philosophy doesn't mean anything special, it's just the way he wants his team to play. SAF had one, Mourinho has one, they just are less reliant one one word when taking about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 And some managers are more strict about maintaining a philosophy as they move from club to club or when things change at a given club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Monaco were robbed. https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/sx3q.mp4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 That wasn't from the left was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Managers are going to turn Martial into a middling left winger with moments of brilliance aren't they? I know he has been coming off the wing for most of his career but damn, the boy could be a bigger threat than any player who is playing in the middle ahead of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Rich man's Januzaj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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