Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Actually that Swansea fan (ME) has seen Allen play at youth team, reserve team, first team level - actually pretty much every game he's ever played at senior level - home and away. If anyone knows him it's him. How many times you seen him play DeafParrot? Do you think he's on the level of Ramsey and Wilshere (the time before he was a coke head)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Bollocks.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1263176/Alberto-Aquilani-injury-woe-mind-hints-Liverpool-boss-Benitez.html He was a fraud even in Benitez days. He is mentally weak and is a massive coward. He always has been. Think that article is massively taken out of context tbh. Rafa was saying that sometimes the injury was probably preying on his mind and that they needed to work on him mentally to get him right. I also remember Rafa saying we will see the best of him once he gets a full pre-season under his belt, but sadly the club sacked him before we could see that and Roy kicked him out the door as soon as he arrived. If Rafa had stayed, I think people would have seen Alberto in a completely different light as I am sure Rafa would have played him through the 2010-11 season for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 He's been kicked out by Roy and Rodgers as well now. His head wasn't in the game. There's no doubting his ability, but if you're a massive headcase, then there's not much you can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 He's been kicked out by Roy and Rodgers as well now. His head wasn't in the game. There's no doubting his ability, but if you're a massive headcase, then there's not much you can do. Hang on, you are saying he is a headcase, a fraud and a coward and you don't even know the lad. Roy was never going to keep him because he doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 traditional british style of play and he didn't fit into Kenny's 4-4-1-1 system either. I don't think his high wages helped much either, and it became financially sensible to move him on if he wasn't going to be in the first eleven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 3 managers didnt rate Aqua, so they got rid of him, on loan or finally transferred and 1 other manager thought he was worth £20mil. When we waste money on players, boy do we waste it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Hang on, you are saying he is a headcase, a fraud and a coward and you don't even know the lad. Roy was never going to keep him because he doesn't fit into a 4-4-2 traditional british style of play and he didn't fit into Kenny's 4-4-1-1 system either. I don't think his high wages helped much either, and it became financially sensible to move him on if he wasn't going to be in the first eleven. You're just assuming that they couldn't have accommodated him. There's nothing to suggest he couldn't in some form. It's more likely they looked at him in training, spoke to him and realised he wasn't up to the task and he wanted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Before the window closes, I expect the following transfers Allen Dempsey A loan signing (striker) Possibly Ramirez And possibly Carroll out to Newcastle Bellamy to Cardiff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I have been following and supporting Liverpool close to 30 years now and must say that things are not looking up for the club. We lack technical, creative and speedy players in the midfield big time. Now we actually have 2 prominent midfielders Gerrard (He is also getting old and definately is not what he used to be) and Lucas. Rest well waste of money and squad space. It pretty much foregone conclusion that C.Adam, J.Cole, J.Henderson, S.Downing, J.Spearing, J.Shelvey are mid table premierleague caliber at their best. Nothing more and never will be. Sad but true. All of them should be sold. Really disgusting that we let Meireles, Aquilani, Benayoun etc go without getting good replacements. We have wasted so much on poor talent that heads should roll. We have been linked with G.Ramirez calibre players... well NONE of these rumours have come through. It seems that only players that we might be getting are J.Allen (Who is young and 50/50 whether he actually turns out good. Potentially yes but who knows) and C.Dempsey (Who is close to 30 and definately is not CL calibre player. Never has been.. it seems we are only purchasing him because he is US). Taking the above into consideration we are not making progress... and unless the US owners actually start signing quality we will become sleeping giants with glorious past and no future. The only bright spot at the midfield is R.Sterling who actually is great talent but still way off his peak. We also have few quality players in other areas of the pitch. (Suarez, Coates, Borini, Agger.. and maybe Skrtel) ...Reina and Carragher have seen their best days so definately should not count on them. Also, I have an feeling that Agger is gone before the season starts. Andy Carroll is intresting.. very very poor 2/3 of the season and seemed to pick up in late. Now it seems his confidence is again in the ruins and it seems that he is off as well. Our new manager sure talks the talk about how we are going to play "Barca" style but with what players??? Our midfield is actually mid table premier league standard at best. So, talk is talk and how about we start delivering talent into squad that will turn into performances on the pitch!!! Not very optimistic at the moment.. the good thing is that there is still time on the transfer market to show that we mean business. We also should invest heavily into squad now since the core of Liverpool supporters are getting older around the globe. If we do not have quality players and start performing than that will also hurt the club in the longrun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Bloody hell, Reina has one average season and now he's ready for the scrap heap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Not a fan of Ramirez to be honest, not sure how he would fit in with our system under Rodgers as we would probably need pace and mobility on the flanks and Ramirez likes to play in the hole. Would prefer Walcott tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Bloody hell, Reina has one average season and now he's ready for the scrap heap. If that comment was aimed at me than I would say that the past few seasons have been +average ..nothing spectacular by any means. He does let in soft goals way too often.. not to say he is bad goalkeeper. Than again it is NOT the goalkeeper department that our team is weak. It is midfield... Just read that we are looking to loan players in... never thought I would see that day coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Reina has not been cutting it for a few seasons now. He has dropped way off of the early standards he set himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 When our midfield is fit it's actually good, by which i mean if we're playing our strongest players. Lucas and Gerrard will complement each other well. Gerrard is past his best days but he proved in the Euros that he can still be quality in a more withdrawn role. Henderson and Shelvey are too young to write off yet and definitely deserve more than 1 season to prove themselves. This difference this season won't be in any particular department on the field, but how each one interacts with the other one. It's down to the manager to combine all of the elements of the team, time will tell if Rodgers is the man to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 Can the season hurry up and start, We have descended into silly season again Good riddance to Aqua, did feck all to live up to his price tag and was shipped out by 3 succesive managers, who incidentally know more about him than any of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 at the end of the day rafa voiced concerns about aquilani. hodgson got rid, kenny got rid, brendan got rid, juve and milan didn't want him after a season long loan. he's a talented lad but no-one wants him? i think you can level many criticisms at liverpool fc in the last few years but this is not one of them. it's a shame it didn't work out for him here but he just basically doesn't have it in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I agree on Aqua. Rodgers made it clear that he only wanted players with what he saw as the right mentality, Aqua clearly not one of those players. Means we can now spend his £125k a week on probably 2 players who actually want to be at the club. Just gotta get rid of C.Adam now and I'm happy. As long as we bring in a signing or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 surely adam and spearing can be let go if we get allen? along with hendo and shelvey as back up its a decent set up and will leave us space to get another top midfielder in if need be instead of relying on them 2. obviously we still need another attacking player of some sort aswell. like ive said before taylor and butland would be excellent addition also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 It pretty much foregone conclusion that C.Adam, J.Cole, J.Henderson, S.Downing, J.Spearing, J.Shelvey are mid table premierleague caliber at their best. Nothing more and never will be. Sad but true. All of them should be sold. All of them of them should be sold? You think top 6 clubs have top 6 players throughout their squad? Only City can really afford that can't they? Downing is fine as back up, Henderson is fine as back up, Shelvey is great as a 20 year old 4th/5th choice. In the same way that United manage with Tom Cleverly and Anderson as back up. We simply can't afford to have £100k a week players who aren't playing every week. Most of the top 6 have mid-table Premiership players as reserves. Only City have anything close to pure top 4 quality through their squad. Our new manager sure talks the talk about how we are going to play "Barca" style but with what players??? Our midfield is actually mid table premier league standard at best. So, talk is talk and how about we start delivering talent into squad that will turn into performances on the pitch!!! Borini? Allen? Both have played in a Rodgers 4-3-3 pressing + quick possession recycling style and have the exact attributes we are looking for to play that style. So it's not like you can accuse him of not trying to bring in players of that style. A midfield of Lucas-Allen-Gerrard is not mid-table Premiership quality. Especially with Gerrard pushed into a more advanced position where he still looks like a CL footballer. If you actually mean the wide forward positions, I agree with you and we should be looking for at least one more player as I am sure we are doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Why are we trying to convert Charlie Adam into a midfielder? He played just off the striker at Blackpool didnt he? He cant tackle, that much is obvious, he tends to dwell on the ball a bit too much which is dangerous in a deeper role. At least give him a chance playing the role he did at Blackpool. Or is he just a one season wonder?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northeu Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Where did this 125K a week thing come from ? It's funny how people will latch onto media Bollocks as facts if it justifies their position but ignore whats in front if their eyes Charlie Adam is a luxury player, a really really average one, but we knew that before we bought him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Where did this 125K a week thing come from ? It's funny how people will latch onto media Bollocks as facts if it justifies their position but ignore whats in front if their eyes Charlie Adam is a luxury player, a really really average one, but we knew that before we bought him. Ben Smith from the BBC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 No way Aquilani was on more than Gerrard (Gerrard is 120k right?) Wherever else I'd see his wages quoted it was 90k or 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Probably 100k + bonuses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 The club released the £125k figure no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 It doesn't matter if it's 90k, 100k, or 125k a week, it's still a big lump of the wage bill that could go towards two more players with much more potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSC Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Who says fiorentina are paying it all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 They're not. Apparently we're still paying him out a sum a week to cover the gap between his Liverpool contract and his new viola one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 They're not. Apparently we're still paying him out a sum a week to cover the gap between his Liverpool contract and his new viola one. Would love to know exactly how much money we have wasted on Aquaman, signing on fees, wages, wages we paid for other clubs to take him on loan. I assume he had a percentage pay rise in his contract, if the £125k a week figure is accurate. Taken for a ride doesnt cover it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 And some people are dissapointed he's gone. Another ****** player who took a ride on the LFC gravy train. Glad to see the back of the absolute donkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 He's not getting paid by us any more. We paid him off with a golden handshake of 1.7m. That was taken out of the 4m we got for him. Either way, waste of money but at least it's over now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 MON saying he's interested in Carroll and seems to be struggling to keep Sessegnon. Wouldn't mind some kind of swap deal there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Aquilani is a ****house and **** him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 There's virtually no chance of Carroll joining Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 The north-east would implode in anger if it happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Hurry up season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael F Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Deleted some posts & edited the dking post, can we get this back on topic please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 We were playing a behind closed doors friendly against Rochdale's first team at tonight. The game ended early though after injury to a Rochdale player. We were leading 2-1, Glen Johnson and Nathan Eccleston scored goals. The LFC team was Reina, Johnson, Kelly, Agger, Robinson, Adam, Lucas, Shelvey, Eccleston, Carroll, Pacheco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Nathan Eccleston scored and it's not on tape anywhere. Typical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 But Agger playing makes me feel better about things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Must have been a fairly bad injury for it to be a game stopper? Wasn't this the friendly to bring up Agger's fitness in particular? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Must have been a fairly bad injury for it to be a game stopper?Wasn't this the friendly to bring up Agger's fitness in particular? Serious ankle injury apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Kelly played at CB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Sounds like we might have to start getting used to life without Agger - various rumours suggesting City and Barcelona are looking at him and he could be looking to leave. Hope to god they are wrong as he would be a big loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 As long as we don't get ripped off, I think Agger is replacable. He is very good though and I wouldnt like to lose him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 If the figure is very late teens or begins with a 2 it's not a total disaster. His injury record not the best & not sure he wil sign another contract. Got 2 years left I think. Not encouraged by talk about him replaced by another Swansea player hopefully it's just lazy journalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 As long as we don't get ripped off, I think Agger is replacable. He is very good though and I wouldnt like to lose him. he's definitely not replaceable by us. and that's not taking into account how crap we are in the market, simply that there are very few out there anywhere near as good as him and if there are there will be much more attractive options available to those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'm gutted that he wants to leave, more than anything really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 im waiting for something concrete before getting out the . can't blame the guy at all though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanson Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Looking at our current squad as it is right now, I'm fairly confident of a good season and champions league qualification. Here's what I think is our strongest first XI in Rodgers preferred 4-2-3-1 (4-3-3) system. -----------------Reina------------------ Johnson---Skrtel-----Agger---Enrique -------------Lucas---Henderson------- -----------------Gerrard--------------- Suarez---------------------------Borini -----------------Carroll----------------- Subs: Jones, Kelly, Carragher, Adam, Spearing, Downing, Bellamy Backup Goalkeeper: Gulasci Backup Defenders: Flanagan, Robinson, Coates, Wilson Backup Midfielders: Shelvey, Suso Backup Wide Forwards: Cole, Sterling, Pacheco Backup Centre Forward: Morgan, ????? I think that firs XI is solid and Carroll would work perfectly well in this system. Maybe Rodgers won't fancy him there and will play Suarez centre with Downing or Bellamy in the wide position. Either way it's a strong side. We've got good cover at the back, albeit a lot of inexperience. Losing Agger would be a massive blow but Carragher has another season in him and Kelly is a good option at CB which is his preferred position and where I think he will end up playing. Coates is also a great prospect and is a similar type of player to Agger, i.e. a footballing CB. Midfield is a problem if we get a couple of injuries and it is obvious why Rodgers is chasing Allen so fervently. But if we remain injury free Henderson will be given a chance to shine in his preferred position. He has a fantastic engine and is ideally suited to Rodgers pressing system. Unfortunately, I don't think Spearing or Adam are good enough to make this system work. Allen (or a similar player) is a must buy. The Gerrard role is another problem. It's unlikely that Gerrard will remain injury free for the entire season. If he is out we will rely on Jonjo Shelvey (or Suso could get a couple of games here) to play here. Gylfi Sigurrdsson would have been perfect but alas, he chose Spurs cash. In the wide positions, Downing and Cole provide the main cover and are not terrible options but not world beaters either. Downing could find some form in this system and do well, here's hoping! We have also have the promising, but raw, Sterling who will be given his share of games this season if pre-season is anything to go by. Centre forward cover is non-existent, no disrespect to Adam Morgan who is a great prospect but is not ready for first team action yet. For this reason alone, we will not let Carroll leave. We're being linked heavily with Dempsey who could play in all of the forward positions and would be a great addition to the squad. Gaston Ramirez is also being linked. He would be an excellent addition also, but is young and has no EPL experience. His signing would be a signal of intent by FSG though. In summary. If we keep the players we have now and don't have a major injury crisis, we can challenge for 4th. Signing Allen, Dempsey and Ramirez would certainly improve our chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 im waiting for something concrete before getting out the . can't blame the guy at all though Would liken him to RvP. Had seasons of injury, undoubtedly talented enough to be doing far better, potentially wasting the best years of his career here if the last two are anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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