ddidiodion Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 I give up on this, use your common sense ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Common sense has no place in black/white issues dion! And it especially has no place on the internet. If you are intentionally spreading your hands then it's obviously intentional. If you have your hands out wide naturally then there's no foul to be had. That's just not how the game is reffed most of the time as you'll way too often see a ball kicked into a hand and a foul given. Which is nonsense. Then you'll hear the pundits go on about it being a great decision and you have to give those. Which is also nonsense. So... How about that Nani, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Common sense has no place in black/white issues dion! And it especially has no place on the internet.If you are intentionally spreading your hands then it's obviously intentional. If you have your hands out wide naturally then there's no foul to be had. That's just not how the game is reffed most of the time as you'll way too often see a ball kicked into a hand and a foul given. Which is nonsense. Then you'll hear the pundits go on about it being a great decision and you have to give those. Which is also nonsense. but then thats not an "unnatural position" is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 "Off" is the general direction in which I would like you to sod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Luiz one was no pen, was by his side and too close. common sence comes into play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Luiz one was no pen, was by his side and too close.common sence comes into play. They've been given before and his arms weren't by his side. They were spreading out as he was stopping his run. Now that's a natural reaction and a harsh pen but they're definitely given more times than they're not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wrongly so, it should be added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 yea they have been given before, they were wrong. common sence is distance, and if the arm moved towards the ball. if that was given against us I would be rather annoyed. the one city got in the champions league for example, never a pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Seen the unnatural position one given so it's clearly something that refs look for. Even have a ref saying it. Don't see the big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoldeFK15 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Would have lost that 11v11. Assuming that Young had not been fouled and had gone on to score, I feel that we would have at least drawn the match at 3-2 up with 11 v 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 They'll look for an unnatural position, and movement towards that position as that's the best way to work out whether it was intentional. They're basically saying don't be fooled by the reaction to the ball hitting them (they'll always recoil it after) but think about where the hand moved from and to to make contact with the ball. If that's "unnatural" then it's quite possible the contact was intentional. There is no rule about unnatural positions, there is a rule about intent, but one can suggest the other, so it's included in directives to help referees make the right call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blast126 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 As we can see until now Chelsea and Manchester United seems to be the major contenders to Premier League. Was a great game and a very important victory for Manchester United against one of the major rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Great to get the win yesterday, do I care how we got it? Do I ****. About time we got some decisions go our way against Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Still not sure why Scholes didn't come in that game, of course it doesn't really matter since we have the 3 points, but yesterday there were times when he couldn't keep the ball at all. Especially after we went 3-2 up, I was shocked Scholes didn't come on to simply keep possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Still not sure why Scholes didn't come in that game, of course it doesn't really matter since we have the 3 points, but yesterday there were times when he couldn't keep the ball at all. Especially after we went 3-2 up, I was shocked Scholes didn't come on to simply keep possession. That was what the Giggs substitution was about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 And he did well. That should be his role for us now. I agree. Scholes for the penetrating passes and Giggs for the retention of possession should make good roles without overworking either of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Giggs? Retention of possession? Giggs? The master of the completely useless flicks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Works if he plays as a CM rather than as an AM. The 'backheel to nobody -> hands on hips' routine is mainly for the latter. And anyway it seems that Kagawa has somehow bent the time/space continuum and is able to read them, so if he's playing then it's fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Not sure if anybody else are interested in this, but here is the analysis of the latest United match (URL looks very funky, but I hope it works elsewhere). Some important points the author makes, the main one is that United were incredibly well-prepared tactically, and knew exactly what rooms to close off, and which to exploit. *Chelsea are much faster and attack more narrow now than when they had Drogba *they attack with many players (mainly Oscar, Mata and Hazard) in the hole (or more generally between defence and midfield) *United therefore put many players in this area and tried to close it off. This worked very well, particularly in the first 20-30 minutes *Cole and Ivanovic tend to be pretty advanced, while the DCs tend to be wide (much like we do really). This, combined with the above, means there are some rooms to exploit, especially when United counter --between DCs and fullbacks (channels) --between DCs --between DCs and central midfield (the hole) United wanted to put pressure on Cahill, so Luiz would be the ballplayer from the back, not vice versa. *When United broke off the forward passes (typically this is Rio), Young were to be the outlet high up the pitch *van Persie, Rooney and/or Valencia would then provide width and depth, drag DCs out wide, and create space in the hole This is what happened when United took the lead, and again on 2-0. In the second half Chelsea adapted, as one should expect. They went a bit wider, which created problems for United, and got the equaliser to 2-2. Then we all know what happened... Think it's great to see these analyses because they focus on tactical details it's hard to pick up while watching the game, especially on a TV with little to no proper overview shots. It also gives a slight insight into the world of football outside of just lineups. We all love to do that, but what it really comes down to is what each player does in the system that is set up, and how they interact together, both offensively and defensively. It's not a coincidence that we often see games of two halves, where perhaps one team takes the other by some tactical surprise in the first, and then the other team adapts in the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Van Persie has been sensational the last two years. Players like him and Iniesta would have a great chance to win in different eras. edit- wrong thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Van Persie is sensational edit- wrong thread! I made it the right thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Giggs? Retention of possession? Giggs? The master of the completely useless flicks? I thought Rooney was taken off as had been booked and there was a tackle (that wasn't a yellow) that had the crowd screaming for a 2nd yellow and maybe Fergie felt any forceful challenge gives the ref a chance to 'even it up' and give him a cheap yellow and as Chelsea were down to 9 men already (IIRC) it was hardly essential that Rooney stay on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I thought Rooney was taken off before Clattenburg could send him off as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Is your game tomorrow (or is it today?) going to be on tv? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Wednesday on Sky Sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Is our game tomorrow (or is it today?) going to be on tv? Fixed (sprry Leppard!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'll go with the official rules of the game tbf, directives sound more like the nonsense where they stamp something out for one major tournament and then it's forgotten about in a few months Handballs and clueless pundits when it comes to handballs are one of my biggest bugbears. Right up there with 'last man' nonsense When I did my referees course we were told if the hand is away from the body and the ball comes from far enough away for the defender to get it out the way to give a foul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 and yet refs are giving penaltys for 1-5 yard handballs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm pretty sure we were told around 4/5 yards depending on how hard it was hit and where the arms actually were. Obviously rushing out like a goalkeeper but not moving when its struck from a yard away is still handball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Wednesday on Sky Sports. Danke! Fixed (sprry Leppard!) Haha, you know you're not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Friend of mine says he saw Rooney in TigerTiger last night, I presume this means he's not playing tonight then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Friend of mine says he saw Rooney in TigerTiger last night, I presume this means he's not playing tonight then. Wouldn't have thought Rooney would be playing. is TigerTiger a club? sounds Grrrrrreat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9643806/Nani-ready-to-walk-through-Manchester-United-exit-door-at-end-of-season-as-talks-over-new-contract-stall.html Piece in the Telegraph about Nani and his contract running down/perhaps not signing a new one/not being given as many starts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Wouldn't have thought Rooney would be playing. is TigerTiger a club? sounds Grrrrrreat Yeh, they have a fairly big night on Tuesdays as well so they get quite a lot of footballers/local celebrities in there. Not too bothered win or lose tonight, just want to see some of the younger players get some game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Latest rumour on Nani is that he's going - will be offered for £20 million and James Rodriguez will replace. Who knows! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 I'd be surprised if Scholes plays, Surely must be Fletcher? Saying that he may be saving Fletcher for Arsenal and I can't think of anyone else to play there unless Powell gets a game. Chelsea will no doubt put out a strong team so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Here's hoping for a Nani stormer as he's down the right tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 **** Nani, here we go Anderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I hope the defence have a good showing. I was pretty disappointed on Sunday when the bench had no defenders at all on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Feared by the blues, loved by the reds Ryan Giggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Giggs will tear you apart! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 Cech that was poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Another day, another referee for the Chelsea fans to moan about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Tbf that is just as much the fault of Romeu (was it?) who just stood over the ball instead of getting rid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 What happened then? My sky go feed dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Chelsea clearly thinking that having a dodgy decision against them on Sunday means they should never be booked again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 What happened then? My sky go feed dropped.Cech with a sloppy goal kick, Romeu had a brain fart, Giggs did what Giggs does. 1-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Thanks Rhi-Rhi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Need to watch again but Romeu ran asking for it. Cech played it to his feet. Was Romeu's **** up. Although if Cech just plays it long it would still be 0-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Thanks Rhi-Rhi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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