Hezhoo Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mr Hough,Like I said in my previous post, this is a VERY good tactic. The only thing is, I think there needs to be a second tactic when playing away/against bigger teams. As Panathinaikos, I'm slaughtering most teams domestically and in Europe, but when I come up against a bigger team (Olympiacos, PAOK in Greece or Villarreal/Lyon in Europe), I find that my defence is torn to pieces (I have signed two good defenders). I think maybe a tactic slightly more defensive in mentality, with the defensive line dropped a bit might fix this. I'm in the off-season now but in my next season I might try and work on this. Otherwise it is a perfect tactic, just needs a slightly more defensive counterpart . This. The tactic is very good but a defensive version would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibasta18 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 This. The tactic is very good but a defensive version would be awesome. it's a test buth you could try to set the d-line to the first notch of push-up i have better results with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teggit Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Yes I am using it now with my 3rd season as 1860 Munich and I beat smaller teams and teams at home but get KILLED away from home. Losing 4-3, 3-2, 5-2 and 4-2 so far and its only october. Seems that a team with good forwards can just cut you too shreds. Its a shame because when I win I win well. I am sure you will tweak it and make it better for mid-table sides and not just Man Utd etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Yeah hough, after initial success with Newcastle, the tactic seems to have lost its punch. I have followed your instructions op to the letter of the law and even worked out the best position for each of my players. I do think that this tactic works well for top teams (the top 4 in each division), however beyond that i think the tactic fails to deliver defensively. The attack is unquestionable, but the main problem is that the midfielders are getting overrun and the centre backs don't perform the best. Good luck though, im sure you will find a solution. Just btw...do you know anything of the effectiveness of a 4-1-2-1-2 tactic? I say this having just remembering how good your complete dominance tactic was. Even perhaps you team up with JP Woody again or Fuss, for something new! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Cabaye performs way better than Ben Arfa without a doubt, got into world team of year on mine. I'd also replace Coloccini with Samba and replace Belfodil with Sturridge if he'll join. it doesn't change anything. it still conceded and hard to win in away games with mid-table teams. the tactic must have defensive tweak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khoahq Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 In my 2nd season, it seem not to work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul131286 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Started using this tactic about 5 games into my season with a title winning side and took of like a train.. Winning games at home 3/4 - 0 against the lesser sides and winning 1/2 - 0 at home to top teams. The more my team adapted to the tactic the poorer it seemed to get. I am a few seasons in and have top strikers like Fierro, Sanago, Damiao etc and only the left sided stiker seems to perform and the other two are very average. whats odd is that I am the opposite to most people in that the tactic seems pretty solid for me defensively but going forward I just seem to have lost a threat and end up only created 4/5 chances a game from 15-20 in the earlier games I used the tactic. A very good tactic but like alot people finding after 10-15 games the tactic has lost some of it's appeal. Which is pretty early for the opposition to become used to your tactics. My team is high on confidence and in form so am sure that it would not be down to these factors.. Will maybe tinker with the match prep and focus on some attacking movement and see how we go. Still think with a minor tweak here and there this will be the best tactic for FM12, if it's not already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Used it for every game in my first season with Liverpool and finsihed 4th in the league. At home the tactic is amazing, the problems I have been having is away against good sides. What I am doing in season 2 is using this tactic for all home games and against weaker sides away from home. For the other away games I am using Fuss's defensive tweak 4-2-3-1 tactic. By using two different tactics you dont get the opposition learning how you play which makes both of them very effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooney_08 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 one thing ive found with this tactic is when playing against a team using a 4-4-1-1 everton like formation it comes apart and using OI is a must, has anyone else came across this ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo666 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 What I am doing is using this tactic for all home games and against weaker sides away from home. For the other away games I am using Fuss's defensive tweak 4-2-3-1 tactic. Same here aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elio Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 nobody else here with match fitnesss problem!!!???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hmm. The tactic has stalled somewhat. The first 7 or 8 games are great. Then it has gone to mush with 4 defeats in a row.I have a feeling the team talks aren't motivating my players though. I'll try and get my AM to do some of them to see if it makes a difference. I still feel its a good tactic. I got sacked using this tactic with Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 First season with Legia, without any new signigns. Now i'm fighting for the Champions League group stage, of course using the same tactic The only problem/question i had is how to modify the game and tactic plan when i want to maintain 1-0 or 2-0 lead. In european cups home clean sheet sometimes is very important. Good work Dave. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 nobody else here with match fitnesss problem!!!???? Yeah, both LB and RB end the game at about 60% Started asking my assistant do apply OI's and the team seem to be playing a lot better but it has only been 2 games ( beat Juve 4-1 away and Wolves 5-0 at home ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elio Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Yeah, both LB and RB end the game at about 60%Started asking my assistant do apply OI's and the team seem to be playing a lot better but it has only been 2 games ( beat Juve 4-1 away and Wolves 5-0 at home ). And now when you apply OI's match fitness is better ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 And now when you apply OI's match fitness is better ? Last game they ended on 65% and 66% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooter7th Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 best tactic on here by a million miles i have tried all and gotten sacked and over run , but this you play football and SLAUGHTER people i have amde a few tweeks like - i allways do i was findiing my midfield was having no possesion and struggling for decent match ratings - so i clicked them onto hold up ball , cut inside and cross from deep the strikers - the 2 wide strikers are now set to swap positions , cross aim target man and cross mixed its still not perfect - my players are getting tired i also find that it works better with counter attack turned off ..all thou i do put it on if im getting dominated cheers dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Last game they ended on 65% and 66% This was with my 2 young FB's as it was a cup game. The last two games with my 1st choice FB's they have been ending on 73-77% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzyp Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Mr Hough..............I am using your tactic with Chelsea..........i used your FM10 tactic with fantastic success.........the team isnt fully fluid as yet, but the results have been very encouraging........ Uploaded with ImageShack.us In particular.......the results against Sunderland (away)........Man City (home) and AC Milan (away)....... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Playing Torres as the central Striker........and he is scoring for fun at the moment........ Uploaded with ImageShack.us I used Kalou at the start of the season because Sturridge was suspended.......now he is playing so well, i cant leave him out lol........8 assists already!! Hough your a genious. Anyone who can create a tactic to make torres score should be worshipped by all and sundry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilim Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I seem to have a problem winning away with this tactic, but at home it's pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMisBAD2010 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 ok this is another update/feedback into my 3rd season on the game and my second season in the prem and ive bought players i think the tactic needs going by player instructions. anyways here it is Uploaded with ImageShack.us feedback would be that maybe it needs something doing to the defending and it isnt that easy away from home but are games in real life tho? no but other than that i like it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza56 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Dizzyp..............Totally agree with you there mate LOL...... Have been reading the posts from guys who are having trouble away from home..........i dont seem to be having that problem..........I havent made any new signings, so have fitted the current Chelsea squad around the tactic.........this also included using the likes of Lukaku, McEachran, Mellis, Bertrand......... Home Record: Uploaded with ImageShack.us Away Record: Uploaded with ImageShack.us Drew away to Man Utd 2-2........they got their 2nd goal in the 94th min (grrr).........and drew 0-0 at Arsenal........having hit the woodwork half a dozen times.......the worst result was drawing 2-2 with Blackburn......we were 2-0 up at half time...... The thing i am loving with this tactic is the consistancy of the players.........i have never before had every player in the squad who has played more than 5 games all with an Average Rating of more than 7!! Uploaded with ImageShack.us I do all my own team talks...........even individual player talks too..........the players didnt like it at first, but now beginning to respond......... In our Champions League group we had AC Milan, Zenit and Wolfsburg...........won all 6 games, scoring 27 goals and conceding 1....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilim Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Uploaded with ImageShack.us I don't think this tactic really work well for lower league tbh. I started to use your tactic on the 4-1 loss to Yeovil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMisBAD2010 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Epilim use his 4-1-1-2-2 tactic for lower leagues mate im sure u will do better and then once ur in the championship or prem start useing this but i must stress the right players are need for this tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijnand fens Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Mr hough!! Do you have player filters for this tac? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spireheart Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm at work at the moment so i cant post screenshots, but I'm using this tactic with chesterfield in my third season in league 1, i haven't tinkered with it or anything, I'm top of the league clear by about 15 points with 15 games left. Lost a few, but so far seems to be working great. most wins are by over 2goals, had a few 4-3 wins though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan07 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 it doesn't change anything. it still conceded and hard to win in away games with mid-table teams. the tactic must have defensive tweak Away games was quite easy for me, beat all top 4 except city who ran away with league. Was second in league for a while but second to sixth was separated by no more than 6 points all season long. Finished 4th in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elio Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 This was with my 2 young FB's as it was a cup game.The last two games with my 1st choice FB's they have been ending on 73-77% I'm playing with caen at the moment , results are very good standing third. But my midfielders and fullbacks are ending the game around 64% match fitness. How to fixxx thissss?????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan07 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm playing with caen at the moment , results are very good standing third. But my midfielders and fullbacks are ending the game around 64% match fitness. How to fixxx thissss?????? Less than 50% in big games for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burak700 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 this tactic seemed like it would be perfect for Napoli with Cavani at the middle,Pandev and Lavezzi playing the right and left striker.Will let you know how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyneutron Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Not a good decision from SI to make teamtalks such an important issue, how on earth can ppl make a good solid tactic if the teamtalks takes a massive impact, too much impact in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan07 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Not a good decision from SI to make teamtalks such an important issue, how on earth can ppl make a good solid tactic if the teamtalks takes a massive impact, too much impact in my opinion I think injuries are a more bigger issue than team talks, injuries are an outrage in this patch. Can't go two games without someone being injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm playing with caen at the moment , results are very good standing third. But my midfielders and fullbacks are ending the game around 64% match fitness. How to fixxx thissss?????? I'm also noticing that several players become really tired and their condition is hit harder than other tactics - my fullbacks are getting down to around 65% at the end of a match - others around 75/70%. Injuries also seem worse - this might have nothing to do with the tactic though. The tactic is brilliant for me - so many games won - loads of goals - just hope Hough is working on some of these issues as it must be the basis for a wonder tactic for FM12. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am working on a few things regarding defence and fitness, Give abit of time and hopefully i'll come up with a solution for these issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THFC_100 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Any Player filters for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k3k389 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 please Mr Hough , Player filters... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am working on a few things regarding defence and fitness, Give abit of time and hopefully i'll come up with a solution for these issues Cheers Hough - the time you and all other tacticians put in to increase our enjoyment of the game is much appreciated. This definitely seems the best tactic I've tried for FM12 - and I've tried a few - so hope a few tweaks can make it even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am working on a few things regarding defence and fitness, Give abit of time and hopefully i'll come up with a solution for these issues Mr Hough, I just tested your tactic and it is definitely something special, the movement it produces is amazing. My impression is that this is as good as a tactic can be in FM12, I don't think it needs any improvement. Great work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Until i update the player Filters you can use my Boots to Asses ones i did. There mainly exactly the same anyway the only differences i would change would be instead of wingers it would be outer strikers. If you are useing DM's for the CM position the filter would be workhorse - Attacking CM's would be attacking Midfielders..... This is the best i can do for now until i have some extra time to do it properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Good to know that you are going to continue working on this Btw, have you given any thought to a 4-1-2-1-2 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murlocmika Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Gonna try with Huddersfield, dont let me down Hough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Good to know that you are going to continue working on this Btw, have you given any thought to a 4-1-2-1-2 ? No i haven't. The tactics i have been working on most are 4-1-2-3 - 4-2-2-2 - 4-1-2-2-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilanoBaros Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Try a flat 442. Love that formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penza Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I am gonna start a career with Swansea and see how I do.. First 3 games beat wigan 0-3 aston villa 4-2 and charlton 4-0... will let you know how I get on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mr Hough - How well will this tactic work on 12.04? cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdA Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mr Hough - How well will this tactic work on 12.04?cheers How about just trying it. There are no changes to the match engine, so it should overall work the same. Some people claim tactics are changing between updates, but when there are no changes to the match engine, the changes must come from other areas like teamtalk, morale etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
penza Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Bought Dragutinovic 0£ Sold none Prediction: Relegation Board expectations: Not get relegated 5th Round of FA cup Fourth Round of League cup PL Wigan 0-3 Swansea: PL Swansea 4-2 Aston Villa: League cup Swansea 4-0 Charlton PL West Brom 4-0 Swansea PL Swansea 6-0 Arsenal PL Tottenham 3-1 Swansea League cup Fulham 0-2 Swansea PL Swansea 1-0 Chelsea awesome tactic will let you know how I get on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kicker Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Tactic works well with 12.04. I use still with my Wolves, beat Liverpool 6-0. and won the league cup in 1st season. Currently still 6th in Premier League. I use the team talk written by one guy here, works brilliant so far. I also change the attacking corner and free kick setup. For the Striker, i notice that it works better if you have pacey attacker for all three of them. The middle one works also with a target man type ( Sam Vokes ), but i prefer a pacey one ( Steven Fletcher ). Very good tactic Mr Hough, i like the attacking movement of the players. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 No i haven't.The tactics i have been working on most are 4-1-2-3 - 4-2-2-2 - 4-1-2-2-1. Fair enough. I'm just thinking perhaps it is worthwhile you trying a flat 442, similar to your fm 10 wingers tactic. I remember at the time you felt the defence for the tactic wasn't very good, but i remember it being the best defence out of all three of your tactics that year. ( the others being the 4123 and the 41212) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverblabe Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I'm playing with caen at the moment , results are very good standing third. But my midfielders and fullbacks are ending the game around 64% match fitness. How to fixxx thissss?????? this is mainly due to the super high pressing setting on them. You can reduce it a little bit, it prevents them to be too tired, and they stay more in position. But you'll miss the extra balls stolen, which are very important in this tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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