AcidBurn Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This doesn't seem right, I just sold Kenwyne Jones to Real Madrid for £16.5 million over 48 months. I know monthly instalments mean you can get more money for them but this is weird. I also sold Malbranque to Man City for £11.5 million all up front. I know it's more complicated than can be written on here but how does the AI decide that these two transfers would be good for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordieboy52 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 To be honest I have seen worse - at least Kenwyne Jones is a pretty good Premier League player - I saw AC Milan Buy Silvain Ebanks-Blake for £12.5 and others worse than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I have seen worse I guess I just couldn't believe my luck, Kenwyne has good physical stats but his mental and technical are pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddy101 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 RM tend to do some very strange deals, same with Man City. I'm not sure the ai really knows what to do when it has already got the best squad possible and has so much money to burn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I wish we'd sell him for that much in real life and buy a better striker with the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedore Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Hes not the worst striker in the world, but it still seems odd for a team of madrids calibre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgar555 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Barca have just bought Brian Jensen for £800k from Burnley at the start of my Lyon save. What??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex0paul Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Arsenal always seem to love signing my 3rd choice keeper on every game I have played on 10 so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMOZZA Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I sold Heskey to Real for £6m in one of my saves, to chelsea in another and in my current one he's gone to sevilla. CLubs in the games Love heskey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The transfers of big clubs are bugged...Even 3 year old managers can handle transfers better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I like Jones. I think he'll be a great player for a big team one day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodged up Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 why are you complaining when you are selling him??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
04ambroj Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 ive seen arsenal buy tommy smith in the first season! tommy smith! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 why are you complaining when you are selling him??? Its about realism, idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugabugas Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Arsenal always seem to love signing my 3rd choice keeper on every game I have played on 10 so far I know, right? When i was Liverpool, they are literally stalking Diego Cavalieri, when i was Valencia, its Cesar, when i was Chelsea, they're after Hilario...Hilarious. The AI is rediculous with transfers, im sorry. I had Barca paying me £13m for N'gog once. Absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 why are you complaining when you are selling him??? I am more than happy to take the money just thought I would post as it doesn't seem right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcftm Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 It's not that strange really considering how much Liverpool were gonna pay for him, and how much we turned down from Spurs last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik86 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 It could be to do with DB size. When I play a small database I see the same issues but when I play with a large one it doesnt seem to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafan2005 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It is to do with the way the squad is rated. The AI discovers its weak points and strengthens with anything. So Arsenal lack a good keeper so they try and buy a keeper for a realistic price. They cannot find a good keeper for a realistic price so they buy a bad keeper for a silly price. If that makes sense, if not its 1.14am I cant be arsed explaining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksquare Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 What patch are you using? 10.2? If so the transfer system in it is bugged. 10.3 is better. Although I use the 10.3 patch with the 10.2 db. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbill Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 To be honest I have seen worse - at least Kenwyne Jones is a pretty good Premier League player - I saw AC Milan Buy Silvain Ebanks-Blake for £12.5 and others worse than that. lol , that is silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oypus Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Seems ridiculous, but how was he doing, goalwise, etc? It could matter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalimyr Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 RM tend to do some very strange deals, same with Man City. I'm not sure the ai really knows what to do when it has already got the best squad possible and has so much money to burn. It doesn't know what to do AT ALL when it's presented with a team that's got loads of cash. I remember in FM09 (or possibly FM08 though I doubt it was as early as that) I had a game where some random team in the Blue Square Premier was taken over by a tycoon so that team had lots of cash to burn...and burn the cash it certainly did - it hired some guys who perhaps were good to leading BSP level and gave each of them contracts worth £15,000 to £20,000 a week. While they were still in the BSP...and they didn't even get promoted, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthgatesRedWhiteArmy Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Real Madrid signed Brett Emerton on my game for 12m and a season later sold him to juventus for 1.2, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackemAB Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I sold Nyron Nosworthy to Chelsea for 2.5m at the end of he first season.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar2000 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It could be to do with DB size. When I play a small database I see the same issues but when I play with a large one it doesnt seem to happen. Yes I always use a large database and have yet to come across any of the extreme examples mentioned. There are a few strange ones here and there and the transfer model is far from perfect. I really feel there should be some sort of model coded into the game to improve AI squad building. For example, if a manager has 4-4-2 set as his preferred formation, he should look to have only 4 senior wingers and 4 senior strikers etc in the squad. Although not totally realistic, it would certainly improve long term games and ensure AI managers are not blowing 20 million on a 6th winger who ends up in the reserves. Such a system would lean more towards realism than the current one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynet Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It's not that strange really considering how much Liverpool were gonna pay for him, and how much we turned down from Spurs last year. True comment Liverpool were prepared to pay 10 million and Spurs was 12 million so dont think the price is not that much over the top and not worthy of a thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 True comment Liverpool were prepared to pay 10 million and Spurs was 12 million so dont think the price is not that much over the top and not worthy of a thread. Since when do you decide what's worthy of a thread? If that's how you feel then just stay out of it. Personally I found the thread useful, I now know that using a smaller database can lead to these issues, as there are less players around for teams to buy, and I now know that this can be avoided by using a larger database. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidmonkey Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 it is weird, Jones is a decent premier league striker but no way is he good enough for Real Madrid! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lister2010 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 danny wilson has just gone to real madrid on my save for 42 million and pato to man city for 60m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackemforever Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It doesn't seem as odd as you think in the game. I am Sunderland at the moment and sold Jones to Barcelona for around £10m in the first season. In the first 4 seasons he has played around 15 games each year and has scored over 10 goals per season too. So while his stats are not great he can obviously score plenty if used correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackemAB Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Just seen Jovetic move to City in first season for £66m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eprstockholm Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Yes I always use a large database and have yet to come across any of the extreme examples mentioned. There are a few strange ones here and there and the transfer model is far from perfect.I really feel there should be some sort of model coded into the game to improve AI squad building. For example, if a manager has 4-4-2 set as his preferred formation, he should look to have only 4 senior wingers and 4 senior strikers etc in the squad. Although not totally realistic, it would certainly improve long term games and ensure AI managers are not blowing 20 million on a 6th winger who ends up in the reserves. Such a system would lean more towards realism than the current one. I think something like this is a good idea. The one thing that spoils the realism of the game more than any other, for me, is the way you'll often get AI sides blowing wads of cash on players they then rarely use, and pay little attention to form when selecting sides: how often do you see a striker playing only five or six games a season even though he scores at a goal a game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteus Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 To be honest I have seen worse - at least Kenwyne Jones is a pretty good Premier League player - I saw AC Milan Buy Silvain Ebanks-Blake for £12.5 and others worse than that. That's odd. Milan must really like Ebanks-Blake as they just bought him in my game. Who is their manager in your game? In mine it is Marco Van Basten. Yeah, I've seen worse players than Jones go to top teams like Barcelona. In fact, Barcelona recently bought Gekas in my game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac13 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I haven't seen too many bad players go for bg bucks but have seen quite a few players bought without reason. Man Cit bought Mbia for 8m and he's played 0 games for them and isnow unhappy. They paid 40m for Mata + 125k per week and he's played 21 league games in 4 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'd rather a mediocre striker for 16.5m than a terrible striker for 5m, and with the squad already at Real Madrid, I couldn't condone buying another top striker for 50 - 60m or something and then have two or three top players sitting on the bench week after week. But I wouldn't mind having Jones on the Bench when I'm winning 2 nil and I have a champs league game coming up. I'm sure Real are just covering their basis without upsetting the big names. If they signed another world class player it might upset the team harmony or something. So a lowly 16.5m Jones won't upset the big stars. But decent enough cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDEHLSON Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'd rather a mediocre striker for 16.5m than a terrible striker for 5m, and with the squad already at Real Madrid, I couldn't condone buying another top striker for 50 - 60m or something and then have two or three top players sitting on the bench week after week.But I wouldn't mind having Jones on the Bench when I'm winning 2 nil and I have a champs league game coming up. I'm sure Real are just covering their basis without upsetting the big names. If they signed another world class player it might upset the team harmony or something. So a lowly 16.5m Jones won't upset the big stars. But decent enough cover. You really dont know what Real Madrid is all about.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 You really dont know what Real Madrid is all about.. They've signed Mediocre players before... Beckham, Owen, McManaman But seriously, they've signed some really bad players before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oypus Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I still stick by the fact that if, for some odd reason, he scored like 35 goals and got 20 assists in the EPL, goes to the Trinidad national team, guides them to the World Cup finals, or some championship, doing very well in that, he would most likely be transferred to a big club somewhere. Because after that, he wouldn't BE mediocre anymore. If that hasn't happened, well....who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 To be honest I have seen worse - at least Kenwyne Jones is a pretty good Premier League player - I saw AC Milan Buy Silvain Ebanks-Blake for £12.5 and others worse than that. Why the hell do AC Milan keep buying ebanks blake?? I have seen a fair few other threads saying the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 why are you complaining when you are selling him??? Missing the point ever so slightly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eprstockholm Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 I think something like this is a good idea. The one thing that spoils the realism of the game more than any other, for me, is the way you'll often get AI sides blowing wads of cash on players they then rarely use, and pay little attention to form when selecting sides: how often do you see a striker playing only five or six games a season even though he scores at a goal a game? Or this kind of thing: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutontown1991 Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 AI transfers are a bit of a shambles atm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 I don't know if the AI is advanced enough for this kind of thing but maybe the AI manager thought he needed a striker who has good in the air (R. Madrid don't have that) and thought Zigic would be too expensive because he's playing for a league rival (Valencia). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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