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1 minute ago, Slapstick2244 said:

I've been using the chonga 424 for a few days now and I'm impressed with the results in Europe. No transfers just youth only. And I know the quality of the other teams in the league is absolute trash (so is mine tbh) but I didn't excpect so many goals.

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Dont know if i am blind but i cant find this tactic... link please:)?

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  • FM 20.4 and 20.3 me 2040  Tactics  (includes FM 20.2 Beta tactics and FM 20.2.4)

TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPENDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW

http://bit.ly/knaptactics

Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics.

Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or

Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog

FOR SUS AT END OF GAME TRY - REGROUP AND HOLD SHAPE

 

ROBER GUIDE TO CLUB SET UP 

1826670185_NewGame.pdf 338.59 kB · 259 downloads

ROBER GUIDE TO MARKING

 

RDF TRAINING

Summary by Rober

1. Get a lot of great fitness coaches, I have six. Three on each category. Put yourself and ass man at normal training categories, add 2 gk coaches for gk. If still room, find some normal coaches with model citizen personality.

2. Instead of training in position, add double intensity on individual training. Then select area which is lacking, f ex final third, that trains decisions and composure like shown here. These will increase very much. I think Almada started with 10 and 13, so +2 and still only 7months of season played.

3. This can be automated under rest in training tab. Select automation on all in individual, then they change according to his fitness levels to protect from training to hard when low fitness after matches, and get injuries.

4. If coaches have Model citizen personalities, you will also have increase in determination for many players. But not always so easy to find.

5. With this we recommend letting ass. man. handling normal training, and not combining this with other schedules, as we have hired may fitness coaches and have just you and ass man on normal categories.
 
 
 
 
RECOMMENDED TRAINING
 
 

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RDF TWEAKS

 

 

CROSSING CONSIDERATIONS

 

 

MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE

FRENCH UNDERDOG TESTS

 

 

C

SHOuTS

Demand More when we are winning by 1 goal.

Show Some Passion when we are back at score.

Praise when winning 2 or more goals.

--

MRr Hough recommended shouts

Use shouts Show Some Passion and Demand More. Also concentrate if leading by a few goals

Edited by knap

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i did some tests playing the same tough away matches (Juventus - Inter and  Man City - Inter) 5 times with each tactic and  FM20.4.1KnapKashmir41221VOL6P103ECCTHP94  gave me very good results even compared to fire and water vol 2 which is my default tactic lately.

Also FM20.4.1MississippiKnapVOL34321OXP109ECCC did well , slightly less than Kashmir 41221

DM instead of MC worths a try in tough matches (as some one else has already suggested here)

no OI's set, test run with commentary mode 

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Wow.. i got so tired of getting all the random results using IR so i decided to actually play the game. I read the shout-guide and got some ideas that i tried, worked out really good..

 

The shouts really do have a great effect on the game if you use them right... 

 

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As you can see the league went pretty easy without defeats.. if i had used IR, im pretty sure that it wouldn't have been that good..

 

The biggest suprise for me was that i actually won the french cup, beating Marseille in the finals..

 

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...And qualify for the eurocup...

 

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Pretty sick imo... :) As im a big fan of 442's, i used Knaps decent BEOWULF, with minor tweaks... and i recommend you to take your time and read about shouts, it really helps... 

 

Thank you so much for your wonderful tactic Knap :)

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37 minutes ago, malte722 said:

Wow.. i got so tired of getting all the random results using IR so i decided to actually play the game. I read the shout-guide and got some ideas that i tried, worked out really good..

 

The shouts really do have a great effect on the game if you use them right... 

 

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As you can see the league went pretty easy without defeats.. if i had used IR, im pretty sure that it wouldn't have been that good..

 

The biggest suprise for me was that i actually won the french cup, beating Marseille in the finals..

 

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...And qualify for the eurocup...

 

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Pretty sick imo... :) As im a big fan of 442's, i used Knaps decent BEOWULF, with minor tweaks... and i recommend you to take your time and read about shouts, it really helps... 

 

Thank you so much for your wonderful tactic Knap :)

@malte722 Hi mate, what version of the BEOWULF 442 was it?

Edited by mickyt11

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2 hours ago, malte722 said:

Wow.. i got so tired of getting all the random results using IR so i decided to actually play the game. I read the shout-guide and got some ideas that i tried, worked out really good..

 

The shouts really do have a great effect on the game if you use them right... 

 

lorient_table.thumb.JPG.9dd37557cb6bc281ed97a23bc45b9750.JPG

As you can see the league went pretty easy without defeats.. if i had used IR, im pretty sure that it wouldn't have been that good..

 

The biggest suprise for me was that i actually won the french cup, beating Marseille in the finals..

 

lorient_cup.thumb.JPG.cd46d5683ea89cb5e36a3a0738679ff0.JPG

 

...And qualify for the eurocup...

 

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Pretty sick imo... :) As im a big fan of 442's, i used Knaps decent BEOWULF, with minor tweaks... and i recommend you to take your time and read about shouts, it really helps... 

 

Thank you so much for your wonderful tactic Knap :)

Hi Malte please share the tactic

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4 minutes ago, GrandChasm said:

Hi Malte please share the tactic

Its knaps tactic, just made some changes.. and remember, i have used shouts also.. not just plug and play.. but good luck :)

442 BEOWULF-MALTE-TWEAK.fmf

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could someone recommend me a tactic for crystal palace? And a other tactic away for crystal palace? @knap
Edited by picole2020

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On 07/03/2020 at 14:09, knap said:

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knap tactics are now infiltrating through to the AI 😁

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And it's working pretty well for them

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Its the away games killing me in the quest for 200 - im winning but 2/3-0 need it to be at least 4 each game 

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19 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said:

Its the away games killing me in the quest for 200 - im winning but 2/3-0 need it to be at least 4 each game 

Using what tactic mate?

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7 minutes ago, Philbram said:

Using what tactic mate?

Multiple ones I have had a lot of questions but its the team I am using rather than the tactic an extremely strong Celtic team ive built over the years (160 average CA) in a poor league most teams top player is 120 CA

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For shouts in my game i just tend shout demand more after 5 mins then next praise all way thru game unless losing and its having insane results.  

I swear as soon as i score i just keep shouting praise at them and they just keep scoring !!!

All the big results i get is thru this . 

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Hannover, Instant Result, 4th season 

Before World Cup - Beowulf 4-4-2/Fire and Water 4-3-1-2  

After World Cup - Pilgrimage 20.4.1 4-1-4-1 CD 

Nothing works as steadily this year as 4-1-4-1. This is the only tactic that gives me a normal result when watching the match and a great result with IR. 

FM 17 - 3-4-3-0, FM 18 - 3-4-3, FM 19 - 4-4-2/4-1-3-2, FM 20 - 4-1-4-1, FM21 - ? 

 

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On 29/04/2020 at 13:57, Augustin1979 said:

Also, the !!!!!!!!!FM20.4.1BEOWULF424KnapP103ECCCFOR140, can easily be tweaked to a very good 4231 in my opinion. 

 

First test, literally only moved left striker to AMC:

(have tweaked corner setup slightly also to be fair)

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Screenshots of league table finish?  I reckon this could work well in the long run, AMC provides more stability ... 

Edited by harisnuriakhlaq

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2 ore fa, Dersturmer ha scritto:

Hannover, Instant Result, 4th season 

Before World Cup - Beowulf 4-4-2/Fire and Water 4-3-1-2  

After World Cup - Pilgrimage 20.4.1 4-1-4-1 CD 

Nothing works as steadily this year as 4-1-4-1. This is the only tactic that gives me a normal result when watching the match and a great result with IR. 

FM 17 - 3-4-3-0, FM 18 - 3-4-3, FM 19 - 4-4-2/4-1-3-2, FM 20 - 4-1-4-1, FM21 - ? 

 

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Totaly agree, The 4141 Made by Knap is the best stable and solid tactic. 

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On 01/05/2020 at 00:45, Rober82 said:

Edit: So I have edited the post here to add some about the marking I have used at Oxford climbing up to the PL.
This was discovered first by @Cadoni @RDF Tactics and me, so credit is always shared.
I started using it in the whole league 1 campaign, and also in the championship. The results were great, as the AI mostly had below 10-7 shots total and could not create much. There are probably many ways to do this, this is mine.

I use a tactic with 2 AMcs, Fire and Water p 103, by @knap, and I mark the link between the midfield and the defense.
Normally it is the DLP who is lowest in their midfield, a DMC or a CM who is a bit lower in the set up.

The thinking is to stop the AI from playing out from the back by using the closest MC for marking.
We are in this tactic pressing hard with 2 amcs and a striker, so the more stress the better.
If we make the DLP loose tha ball, great! Maybe he will get stressed an play a poor pass, or maybe he will not get the ball at all.
Maybe he will get it but sees no other option that to play it back to the DC who is then being pressured again.
This can be used against small teams an big teams, but be aware that City might have Rodri, KdB and B. Silva, who are really all playmakers.
But you do not face many teams like that.
So how do you find out who to mark?


The opposition report and the analyst report tells you so much info.


The first page under OI report tells you that when bruno and  pogba is playing together it is Pogba who is Dlp and lowest. You can see that on the picture.

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The second page shows you different things for the last three games. They might have used different roles and players, so look for the one that fits today.
There is also the passing network who shows you who all pass to most, and is in the middle of it.

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Then if you check the "team selection" of AI, it here shows the last game. On that picture you see Fred playing, and as a dlp lower than Pogba.

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You then know some things.
Bruno and Pogba then Pogba is lowest. Pogba and Fred, Fred is lowest and Dlp.

Then go to marking, and see who is playing. Here it is Pogba and Bruno.

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For me it is obvious to try and take Pogba out of the game by using your closest AMC.
This player will be bizzy with this, so use your "least important one" and shift sides if neccesary.

You can check if it is working by checking key passes, "touches" and posession in the report after the game. It's there if you look.

If you are still not sure, check their roles and their key passes in games before.
Some formations are harder than others, and I would encourage you to try it out before asking a question Learn by doing! :)

Good luck!

Hi, very interesting indeed, would this work with a 3 upfront tactic (I'm using KASHMIR433MUP111VOL3P110ECCC)? If so who would you use to man mark the opposition link between defence and midfield?

Thx

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Knap tactic does it again! 1st season Champions and EL winners. CRAZY results man. used Fire and Water. NO TWEAKS! (only floated crosses) used Man Marking every game. Used Instant result every game

Key Man - Raul Jimenez (38 goals 45 starts)

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MAN MARKING IS KEY!!!

this screen, i can see times lined up last match. i can see No.38 (Longstaff) is the deep midfielder on the right side so i used my left AM to mark him...I also see the LB No.28 (Rose) is very advanced so i used my RM to man mark him too...aim is to cut off their attacking supply

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RESULTS:

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PLAYER DEVELOPMENT USING MY TRAINING GUIDE:

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32 minutes ago, Tangzila said:

Hi, very interesting indeed, would this work with a 3 upfront tactic (I'm using KASHMIR433MUP111VOL3P110ECCC)? If so who would you use to man mark the opposition link between defence and midfield?

The Pressing forward centrally! :) Would suggest ATT Forwards on both sides.

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7 minutes ago, Rober82 said:

The Pressing forward centrally! :) Would suggest ATT Forwards on both sides.

So basically any one of the 3 upfront?

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Nah that was just about the roles I would pick in a front 3.

I would use a PF for the marking, and to strech play I would use ADv forw roles on the other 2 strikers.

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17 hours ago, knap said:

@knap tried this with Spurs, no new signings, just plug-and-play...ended as nr 3. , with 88 points, semifinals in CL and FA CUP. Looks good, had some great wins away at CIty, Chelsea.. So will build on this for the next season. 

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@Tangzila

As long as the AI use a 1 DM formation. If they use 2 DMs you can change it to a specific player to man mark.

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On 30/04/2020 at 23:45, Rober82 said:

Edit: So I have edited the post here to add some about the marking I have used at Oxford climbing up to the PL.
This was discovered first by @Cadoni @RDF Tactics and me, so credit is always shared.
I started using it in the whole league 1 campaign, and also in the championship. The results were great, as the AI mostly had below 10-7 shots total and could not create much. There are probably many ways to do this, this is mine.

I use a tactic with 2 AMcs, Fire and Water p 103, by @knap, and I mark the link between the midfield and the defense.
Normally it is the DLP who is lowest in their midfield, a DMC or a CM who is a bit lower in the set up.

The thinking is to stop the AI from playing out from the back by using the closest MC for marking.
We are in this tactic pressing hard with 2 amcs and a striker, so the more stress the better.
If we make the DLP loose tha ball, great! Maybe he will get stressed an play a poor pass, or maybe he will not get the ball at all.
Maybe he will get it but sees no other option that to play it back to the DC who is then being pressured again.
This can be used against small teams an big teams, but be aware that City might have Rodri, KdB and B. Silva, who are really all playmakers.
But you do not face many teams like that.
So how do you find out who to mark?


The opposition report and the analyst report tells you so much info.


The first page under OI report tells you that when bruno and  pogba is playing together it is Pogba who is Dlp and lowest. You can see that on the picture.

1611694340_2020-05-01(1).thumb.png.06960e1f91cc804026d91005bfdb33b9.png

The second page shows you different things for the last three games. They might have used different roles and players, so look for the one that fits today.
There is also the passing network who shows you who all pass to most, and is in the middle of it.

1608671731_2020-05-01(2).thumb.png.a3359e1c2b4743282c51a386e3aa5dbb.png

Then if you check the "team selection" of AI, it here shows the last game. On that picture you see Fred playing, and as a dlp lower than Pogba.

354890421_2020-05-01(4).thumb.png.64d0c9759c5d887841b127062387d7ab.png


You then know some things.
Bruno and Pogba then Pogba is lowest. Pogba and Fred, Fred is lowest and Dlp.

Then go to marking, and see who is playing. Here it is Pogba and Bruno.

243435893_2020-05-01(3).thumb.png.42807c265c3e4ce9d66407b8caade5df.png

For me it is obvious to try and take Pogba out of the game by using your closest AMC.
This player will be bizzy with this, so use your "least important one" and shift sides if neccesary.

You can check if it is working by checking key passes, "touches" and posession in the report after the game. It's there if you look.

If you are still not sure, check their roles and their key passes in games before.
Some formations are harder than others, and I would encourage you to try it out before asking a question Learn by doing! :)

Good luck!

What OIs do you actually use on the deepest playing midfielder?

tight mark? Tackle harder? Or a combination of a few?

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26 minutes ago, knap said:

@Tangzila

As long as the AI use a 1 DM formation. If they use 2 DMs you can change it to a specific player to man mark.

And if they don't use any DM then you adapt to the less advance midfielder?

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@Tangzila

Yes it can still be used with individual player marking. With position it does not matter if AI changes players around.

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7 minutes ago, Wallings11 said:

What OIs do you actually use on the deepest playing midfielder?

tight mark? Tackle harder? Or a combination of a few?

Most Knap tactics has tight marking and tackle harder already. I have used Fire and water p103, and now I am using the Missisippa as it is set up the same way, as an oxford, but has a DMC instead of an MC. This helps with the times the AI uses 3 in midfield.

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@knap Does it matter which position takes set pieces with your tactics or are we able to just select our best takers etc?

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@Danny648

They are either set up or TIs and Corners, I leave the rest open .

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Posted (edited)

MU with MM 433

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2 hours ago, RDF Tactics said:

 

Knap tactic does it again! 1st season Champions and EL winners. CRAZY results man. used Fire and Water. NO TWEAKS! (only floated crosses) used Man Marking every game. Used Instant result every game

Key Man - Raul Jimenez (38 goals 45 starts)

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MAN MARKING IS KEY!!!

this screen, i can see times lined up last match. i can see No.38 (Longstaff) is the deep midfielder on the right side so i used my left AM to mark him...I also see the LB No.28 (Rose) is very advanced so i used my RM to man mark him too...aim is to cut off their attacking supply

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RESULTS:

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PLAYER DEVELOPMENT USING MY TRAINING GUIDE:

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Great results mate but has it been tested without the tweaks you did to compare it against the normal tactic with Wolves i dont think there is much difference , Not in my save anyway with them !? i would do the test but it would take me a week to get a season finished , is there anyway for you to test the 2 together ? one with tweaks and original to . ?

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2 hours ago, RDF Tactics said:

 

Knap tactic does it again! 1st season Champions and EL winners. CRAZY results man. used Fire and Water. NO TWEAKS! (only floated crosses) used Man Marking every game. Used Instant result every game

Key Man - Raul Jimenez (38 goals 45 starts)

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MAN MARKING IS KEY!!!

this screen, i can see times lined up last match. i can see No.38 (Longstaff) is the deep midfielder on the right side so i used my left AM to mark him...I also see the LB No.28 (Rose) is very advanced so i used my RM to man mark him too...aim is to cut off their attacking supply

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RESULTS:

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PLAYER DEVELOPMENT USING MY TRAINING GUIDE:

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So it's worth to mark deep midfielders and very offensive full back?

and not look if it is a playmaker or not?

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22 minutes ago, knap said:

@Danny648

They are either set up or TIs and Corners, I leave the rest open .

Ok thanks, im using Kashmir 4141, ive noticed the long throws into the box the keeper comes and claims 90% of the time, have the throw ins been set up this way or can i change?

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