niggle Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Also weird that he was listed on the LFC site on our playing staff to. he wasn't it was fake - the new comunication bloke tweeted about it the other day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Cheers for clearing that up . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Apparently Newell have come out and said they have a deal with Maxi in place, but are waiting for Liverpool to release him. Not sure how much truth is in this, maybe they had talked before Rodgers came in and now Maxi might stay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 [video=youtube_share;XlP9KGjqXf4] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 suso interview: mainly about Spain u19s, but talks about Liverpool and wanting to stay: http://www.uefa.com/under19/news/newsid=1840418.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 really want to see him in the first team at some point this season, hopefully rodgers gives him some game time in the cups with sterling. both should fit into the system out wide. u19's play today btw both semis i think. robinson was **** last game, was getting tied in knots at times and falling over himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 i guess its down to him (maxi^), i thought he didnt look too impressed when he got the ovation at the end of the season from fans expecting him to leave tbh. i'm not sure he does want to go and he'd probably fit rodgers style more if he did stay. thats if he hasnt declined to the point rodgers lets him know hes not needed. on carroll; it all depends on who we bring in. weve only got him and suarez so we need to add to our striking options first. his first touch is atrocious for a striker, i dont care what anyone says (i kept saying the same about babel). you get so little time in the prem to do something and if your first touch knocks the ball 1 or 2 yard away from yourself your in trouble. he gets away with it when he drops deep cos defenders are happy to let him but in and around the box you may aswell not bother passing to him. dont get me wrong, i like him and would love him to turn out great but hes 23, getting paid well and cant trap a ball to save his life.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Remember than 25% of any fee we might get for Carroll goes to Newcastle. That is a big hurdle in any sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 robinson looked pretty **** again today. he was well scared to do anything with the ball and just squared it or got rid as soon as possible, never offered himself and made himself available either, just stood around when we had the ball. he did look knackered tbh so that could be part of the reason. wouldn't surprise me to find out he played exactly how blake wanted him to play though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 where has this 25% come from? not heard it mentioned before. can't imagine we agreed to that as its madness considering what he cost anyway, wouldn't surprise me though as it was the most ill thought out deal ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 where has this 25% come from? not heard it mentioned before.can't imagine we agreed to that as its madness considering what he cost anyway, wouldn't surprise me though as it was the most ill thought out deal ever. google " Andy Carroll 25% sell on clause " Nothing written in stone though but quite a few hits. He has the clause in the latest version of FM as well, although that cant be taken as gospel either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 robinson looked pretty **** again today. he was well scared to do anything with the ball and just squared it or got rid as soon as possible, never offered himself and made himself available either, just stood around when we had the ball. he did look knackered tbh so that could be part of the reason. wouldn't surprise me to find out he played exactly how blake wanted him to play though . Ready for a season of Prem football though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Nothing but good vibes coming from the players about training under Rodgers . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 anyone else hear the alonso rumour? once rm get modric, he'll come back prob bollocks but havnt seen it posted in here yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne'o Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 i guess its down to him (maxi^), i thought he didnt look too impressed when he got the ovation at the end of the season from fans expecting him to leave tbh. i'm not sure he does want to go and he'd probably fit rodgers style more if he did stay. thats if he hasnt declined to the point rodgers lets him know hes not needed.on carroll; it all depends on who we bring in. weve only got him and suarez so we need to add to our striking options first. his first touch is atrocious for a striker, i dont care what anyone says (i kept saying the same about babel). you get so little time in the prem to do something and if your first touch knocks the ball 1 or 2 yard away from yourself your in trouble. he gets away with it when he drops deep cos defenders are happy to let him but in and around the box you may aswell not bother passing to him. dont get me wrong, i like him and would love him to turn out great but hes 23, getting paid well and cant trap a ball to save his life.... some times nervous tention or lack of confidence can make you misscontrol a ball, we do have bella's that can play upfront but we do need a player good enough to play every game.. my cat could control a ball better tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 anyone else hear the alonso rumour? once rm get modric, he'll come back prob bollocks but havnt seen it posted in here yet. Yeah it will be bollocks, but I will jizz in my pants if it happened . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 How has suso played? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRJ Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 anyone else hear the alonso rumour? once rm get modric, he'll come back prob bollocks but havnt seen it posted in here yet. Would kiss Rodgers' feet if this happened. Of course I don't think he'd say yes to a complete stranger asking to kiss his feet so I'm probably safe either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Suarez's hat trick for Uruguay last night: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 2nd goal is best obviously, but the finish for the 3rd is the most pleasing I think. Needs to develop those cleverer, more composed finishes into his game rather than trying to hit everything instinctively too often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 is that a wc qualifier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Warm up friendly for the Olympics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 How has suso played? Was non existent on the right wing, got subbed off after 55 mins. Spain attacked down the left all game and he couldn't get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I expect Borini and Dempsey to be signing for us in the next few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpaul15 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/fabio-borini---liverpool-agree-1141302 Just hope £12m isn't going to prohibit us getting a couple more decent players in - though Borini may arguably be the key signing or the flop signing being a striker. Cautious optimism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I remember him at Swansea but didnt follow him in Italy, but I have to say we could use someone like him who will run the line and act as a poacher somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie S Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 25% of any transfer fee? No way would the club agree to that kind of deal. 25% on any fee over what they paid maybe.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Feeling slightly underwhelmed by these transfer targets I must say. Don't know much about Borini but Dempsey in particular. Just seems like yet another 'let's sign the best players from the bottom half' type of gamble which has so far not done us any favours. Hope i'm wrong. Really wanted to see some top class, exciting young talent from the likes of Germany and France. Don't see why Newcastle can attract superb players from there but we're nowhere to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I would say that is down to Newcastles top class scout, Graham Carr . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Dempsey is pretty similar to Gylfi imo, he's just 7 years older. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Feeling slightly underwhelmed by these transfer targets I must say. Don't know much about Borini but Dempsey in particular. Just seems like yet another 'let's sign the best players from the bottom half' type of gamble which has so far not done us any favours. Hope i'm wrong. Really wanted to see some top class, exciting young talent from the likes of Germany and France. Don't see why Newcastle can attract superb players from there but we're nowhere to be seen. agreed but with the caveat that I see dempsey more or less like a benayoun/riera-type signing. a just valuable enough placeholder to allow you to address other needs immediately, with a 2-3 year expiration date. as a marquee signing, disappointing. as a squad player to fill a gap, then it's more appealing at the right price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 We're not really that attractive a club to big names though are we? Especially if we're watching the contract pennies as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Realistically, who seem to be outs this summer? We have too many midfielders at the club but yet, need to strengthen due to lacking in quality. BR already has said Joe Cole will be staying. Downing Adam Jonjo Lucas Maxi Gerrard Cole Henderson Aqualini Spearing Part time roles for Sterling and Suso Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ship out Adam asap. Maxi and Aqua will probably be off too. Not arsed whether Spearing stays or goes. Sign Dempsey (if thats who its going to be, I'd rather us sign a more out and out winger like Ramirez, but that seems dead) and I'd like us to find a decent DM as cover for Lucas. Not sure whether thats feasible when he's basically just going to be a backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 agreed but with the caveat that I see dempsey more or less like a benayoun/riera-type signing. a just valuable enough placeholder to allow you to address other needs immediately, with a 2-3 year expiration date. as a marquee signing, disappointing. as a squad player to fill a gap, then it's more appealing at the right price. aye, Dempsey an experienced replacement for Kuyt/Maxi as far as I see it. Borini is exciting young talent, doesn't matter that he's not from Germany or France. Ramirez would be the same, as would Gylfi have been. With Kenny and Woy's buy british philosophy and Rodgers probably limited scouting network at Swansea, it's hard to know just how much our own scouting network may be lacking in other countries, i.e. Germany or France. Anyone else think N'Zonzi would be a worth a buy as back up for Lucas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 We're not really that attractive a club to big names though are we? Especially if we're watching the contract pennies as well. Well in comparison to Newcastle we are a more attractive name, there is no reasons players similar to Cadbye, Cisse, Ben Arfa or Tiote wouldn't join us. Someone like Valbuena for instance, might very well be interested in coming to us, and would be ideal (though maybe a bit older than we'd like) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 agreed but with the caveat that I see dempsey more or less like a benayoun/riera-type signing. a just valuable enough placeholder to allow you to address other needs immediately, with a 2-3 year expiration date. as a marquee signing, disappointing. as a squad player to fill a gap, then it's more appealing at the right price. As cynical as it seems you also need to add in the factor of Dempsey helping us to "crack" the US market, and whilst I have no doubt Dempsey will more than hold his own at Liverpool he also brings us that added bonus. With only 1 year left on his current deal then Fulham may cash in for around 7mill and that could be a clever bit of business for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Feeling slightly underwhelmed by these transfer targets I must say. Don't know much about Borini but Dempsey in particular. Just seems like yet another 'let's sign the best players from the bottom half' type of gamble which has so far not done us any favours. Hope i'm wrong. Really wanted to see some top class, exciting young talent from the likes of Germany and France. Don't see why Newcastle can attract superb players from there but we're nowhere to be seen. Borini is a highly rated young Italian forward who is now a full international - he is exactly the type of signing we should be looking at in my book. Get them in early and mould them into top players rather than having to do a Man City and buying the finished article for huge sums of cash. Also think Dempsey deserves a bit more credit than being labelled one of the best from the bottom half of the table - after all Fulham finished on the same league points as us last season so we are in no position to get all uppity about signing their finest. As Daaaaave pointed out players like Riera, Yossi, Arbeloa, Masch etc were all signed from so called lesser clubs and did very well for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 As cynical as it seems you also need to add in the factor of Dempsey helping us to "crack" the US market, and whilst I have no doubt Dempsey will more than hold his own at Liverpool he also brings us that added bonus. With only 1 year left on his current deal then Fulham may cash in for around 7mill and that could be a clever bit of business for us. does the US market care about the prem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 err yeah . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Realistically, who seem to be outs this summer? We have too many midfielders at the club but yet, need to strengthen due to lacking in quality. BR already has said Joe Cole will be staying.Downing Adam Jonjo Lucas Maxi Gerrard Cole Henderson Aqualini Spearing Part time roles for Sterling and Suso Realistically, I think only Aquilani and Maxi are the more certain players to be leaving the club. If we are going to build further though I would sell Adam and Downing but I just cant see that happening in all honesty. I would like to see Danny Wilson get more of a chance in defence. Id send Coates out on loan. Flano and Robinson I would send out as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benkeat Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Borini is a highly rated young Italian forward who is now a full international - he is exactly the type of signing we should be looking at in my book. Get them in early and mould them into top players rather than having to do a Man City and buying the finished article for huge sums of cash.Also think Dempsey deserves a bit more credit than being labelled one of the best from the bottom half of the table - after all Fulham finished on the same league points as us last season so we are in no position to get all uppity about signing their finest. As Daaaaave pointed out players like Riera, Yossi, Arbeloa, Masch etc were all signed from so called lesser clubs and did very well for us. I don't dispute any of this and both may be excellent footballers, but to me it's just doesn't inspire my belief in how far we're casting the net. Last year we basically signed players exclusively from the North of England. Now we're signing a lad Rodgers has previously worked with and another solid Premier League name (although this time from the South of England, the net is being cast further!). It just worries me that this is how we're doing business rather than a superb scouting network finding the cream of Europe's undiscovered talent. There are so many bargains to be had in Germany and France. Look at what Newcastle have done recently, look at some of the absolute bargains Madrid have taken from the Bundesliga, look at Marin going to Chelsea for £6m, Kagawa for like, £12m? It goes on and on. I'm not saying we could have signed these players in particular (although some of them we doubtlessly could have if we got in early enough), but are we even looking at them? Or are we basically trying to hoover up players the manager knows (Allen and Siggurdsson heavily linked at various points) or players we see on MOTD? Just don't find it particularly inspiring really. Wish we would have gone ahead with the planned DoF or the transfer 'expert' or whatever system they were talking about implementing. Dave, agree with your point about Dempsey too. He's a fine player but I wish he was being signed to add to some exciting young attacking talent rather than AS the exciting attacking talent. But I guess that may still be the case. Just calling it as I see it thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Borini is only 21. He had a good season in Italy and lets face it, Rodgers seems to get the best out of players. He could flurrish under him and at his age, £12m isnt exactly a lot of money. I know loyalty in football doesnt mean much anymore, but lets say 5 good seasons from him and his value could be something like £20-25m. As for Dempsey. A very solid player but he is ageing. Although his experience will add to the squad vastly. 2-3 good seasons from him and I will be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 i think the important thing is both are improvements to the squad. we're crying out for goals atm and a poacher is exactly what we need and dempsey ive rated for a while now and is always a handful for defences. whether theyre a success is anyones guess i suppose and its the risk you take with any transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 whether theyre a success is anyones guess i suppose and its the risk you take with any transfer. Technically you do that with every transfer. No matter what you spend or even the name or reputation of the player, anything can happen and the signing could easily turn out to be a flop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Is 29 really deemed as aging now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Is 29 really deemed as aging now? Sadly in football terms it is . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Nah, only for quick player who can't adapt imo. Dempsey's game is different, and I think that at only 29 he's got 4 good seasons as a squad player at Liverpool. Astute signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 No doubt he would be a good signing. He has a good head on his shoulders and as we saw at Fulham last season, got himself in some fantastic positions. I think he could thrive off a Suarez or Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 We're a mid table club now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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