e-fiend Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 So wouldn't it be quicker to just make a new game without real players (you know that one option when making a new game) when testing how the newgens/game making new players work or am I missing something? Always pondered about this when reading about people doing these mega holiday games to just see the newgens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankie Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Uhm, two of the players are strikers and have 7 and 9 @ finishing..? or am i missing something here? I guess that they used the same base newgen template of a fast striker who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. I'm sure that there are some real life examples, but I can't think of any big name strikers off the top of my head. Heskey when he first came on the scene at Leicester is the closest. Wayne Andrews quite a few years ago at Watford is one of the best examples, he was as fast as lightning but rarely scored (200 career games and only 39 goals according to Soccerbase) The English striker has got 5 in 11, which is a decent return for a 17 year old especially if he was in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBamBam Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I never had a problem with "regens" in fm10. Played it until 2032 and had some world class players still coming through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHUK Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Uhm, two of the players are strikers and have 7 and 9 @ finishing..? or am i missing something here? I believe the Derby striker is more of a stereotypical athlete, his passing being so high compared to the rest of his technical stats seems the anomaly there. We all know about players full of pace but can't finish to save their life, give them enough clear cut chances and they'll score, especially with his composure. His playing stats show that he manages to score almost every other game but his rating isn't very good indicating he's useless most of the time due to his limited technical skills. The Castilla striker on the other hand seems to be in a positional loss of identity, he's not got the crossing to be an astounding winger, not got the finishing to be a solid striker, his passing is decent so I'd be inclined to think he's best off retrained as an AMC. His playing stats would show he's better at assists than scoring. Many players start their career in a position not suited to them, it's up to managers to provide these positions. Something the AI probably isn't equipped to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I find it amusing how people look for things to complain about. I don't think the the game would pass QA if the newgen system was broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Just look at Germany's 2002 World Cup squad, which certainly wasn't a young team! Squads are cyclical; they often age together before being torn up. FM does try to replicate this. Germany 2002, players under 26: Lars Ricken (25) Miroslav Klose (23) Michael Ballack (25) Gerald Asamoah (23) Sebastian Kehl (22) Christoph Metzelder (21) Torsten Frings (25) Germany 2004: Andreas Hinkel (22) Arne Friedrich (25) Bastian Schweinsteiger (19) Kevin Kuranyi (22) Sebastian Kehl (24) Fabian Ernst (25) Lukas Podolski (19) Filipp Lahm (20) Timo Hildebrand (25) Germany 2006: Marcell Jansen (20) Roberth Huth (21) Bastian Schweinsteiger (21) Mike Hanke (22) Thomas Hitzlsberger (24) Philipp Lahm (22) Per Mertesacker (21) Lukas Podolski (21) David Odonkor (22) Christoph Metzelder (25) etc. I could go and back and forth listing squads but the tendencies remain rather constant. Every squad has a healthy amount of young players that would have started their professional career less than 9 years back from that point. Nothing to suggest stagnation to the levels notable in FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Germany 2002' date=' players under 26:Lars Ricken (25) Miroslav Klose (23) Michael Ballack (25) Gerald Asamoah (23) Sebastian Kehl (22) Christoph Metzelder (21) Torsten Frings (25) Germany 2004: Andreas Hinkel (22) Arne Friedrich (25) Bastian Schweinsteiger (19) Kevin Kuranyi (22) Sebastian Kehl (24) Fabian Ernst (25) Lukas Podolski (19) Filipp Lahm (20) Timo Hildebrand (25) Germany 2006: Marcell Jansen (20) Roberth Huth (21) Bastian Schweinsteiger (21) Mike Hanke (22) Thomas Hitzlsberger (24) Philipp Lahm (22) Per Mertesacker (21) Lukas Podolski (21) David Odonkor (22) Christoph Metzelder (25) etc. I could go and back and forth listing squads but the tendencies remain rather constant. Every squad has a healthy amount of young players that would have started their professional career less than 9 years back from that point. Nothing to suggest stagnation to the levels notable in FM.[/quote'] And if you take 25 year olds out of your chart how does that table look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I find it amusing how people look for things to complain about.I don't think the the game would pass QA if the newgen system was broken. every year same old people same old problems yet every year i find the game playable to say the least and i do long term saves can't comment on fm11 yet until midnight though, hope this guy is wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Stu, could you look at this thread and tell us if newgen managers are stiil as bad as they were in FM 2010. I never had any problem with newgen players in the past version but coaches were extremely bad in mental attributes and thus in a long term game the difficulty of the game went down drastically.http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/228246-10-years-in-and-4-4-2-rules-the-world I've responded in that thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 4, 2010 SI Staff Share Posted November 4, 2010 Freeman (and perhaps a few other) are missing the point completely. Yes, there are good top newgens and a few of them can easily crack a first team squad. However, a newgen's starting age can be between 16-21, if I am correct? After nine seasons the game can thus have newgens between 16-30 years old. I would assume that at least a third of the database would consist of newgens by now? Is that a fair assumption? The above assumption is a bit incorrect. Normally newgens in active leagues are "created" between ages of 14-16, depending on the youth starting age set for that nation. For inactive leagues, the newgens can usually be created a few years older, but the age range for most of them would still be only 16-18. There can be older newgens created in special circumstances, for example when clubs get promoted from inactive leagues into active leagues but if we are talking about the normal yearly youth intake, the average age range would be roughly around 15-17 years. So theoretically the first proper generations of newgens after 9 years would only just be hitting their mid-20's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I guess that they used the same base newgen template of a fast striker who can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. I'm sure that there are some real life examples, but I can't think of any big name strikers off the top of my head. Heskey when he first came on the scene at Leicester is the closest. Wayne Andrews quite a few years ago at Watford is one of the best examples, he was as fast as lightning but rarely scored (200 career games and only 39 goals according to Soccerbase) The English striker has got 5 in 11, which is a decent return for a 17 year old especially if he was in the Premier League. I'll spoiler some examples of those type of strikers in the DB: Nelson Valdez Moussa Dembele Chinedu Obassi Mohamadou Idrissou Also bare in mind that these players are long, and the AI should use the individual training focus to aid any perceived weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Chevalier Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 They do, but it's the day before release day, so I wouldn't expect instant answers, but they are pretty good at responding in fairness. I wasn't criticising, just that they reply to other threads, in my observations, but not the AI ones. But that has been disproven in this thread, so........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar2000 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Uhm, two of the players are strikers and have 7 and 9 @ finishing..? or am i missing something here? Agree, shocked to see the examples in the above thread being listed as the top newgen's in the game. FM10 seems alot more appealing at the moment. I thought the new player templates were supposed to create a more even spread of attributes based on the position/type of player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikelvin Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 What I'm wondering is how the newgens' mental attributes will be. I can stand the (somewhat) silly attribute distribution in FM2010, but what ultimately killed the game for me was that most of the newgens, especially the good ones, have extremely low ratings for attributes like pressure, consistency, temperament, etc. I imagine this will only be more important now that the results of the player chats are dependent on these same traits. I won't be getting the game for a few days and I know FMRTE should be out soon, anybody care to post any findings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 And if you take 25 year olds out of your chart how does that table look? What does it matter? The problem is lack of newgens in national team squads 9 years into the game. All these players I listed would have been newgens in the FM universe. In FM11 apparently you only get 1-2 newgens in top national sides when you reach that point. Suggests the balance is way off. It does not make a bit of difference how old the rest of the Germany squad were in 2002. Fwiw there were plenty of 26-28 year-olds in there as well. Only 7 players aged 30 or more - the same amount as the u-25's. Edit: Even if you want to discard all the newgens that get created as 17-18 year olds or 16 year olds turning 17, the amount would be 4 in 2002, 6 in 2004, 8 in 2006. Which is still a huge difference from 1-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrari312 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance, but how is it possible to simulate up to 2019 with multiple leagues loaded when the demo doesn't allow you to load more than one league or go beyond a few months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyIOCS Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance, but how is it possible to simulate up to 2019 with multiple leagues loaded when the demo doesn't allow you to load more than one league or go beyond a few months? Some people already have the full game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance, but how is it possible to simulate up to 2019 with multiple leagues loaded when the demo doesn't allow you to load more than one league or go beyond a few months? he's not on the demo thats why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance, but how is it possible to simulate up to 2019 with multiple leagues loaded when the demo doesn't allow you to load more than one league or go beyond a few months? Some people have already received there copies from online retailers and the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance, but how is it possible to simulate up to 2019 with multiple leagues loaded when the demo doesn't allow you to load more than one league or go beyond a few months? He's not playing the demo, read the OP again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyllan Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 To be fair, it's just one game so far and I welcome others to give it a try so that we know if it's a real problem or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhemre Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I think its broken, they will never fix it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Do you still have the save game, Dyllan? If you do, could you holiday it one season further to see if there will be a sudden increase in the amount of regens in national team squads? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aytumious Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I think its broken, they will never fix it Are you basing that on testing you have done or is that just a wild assumption? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 9 years in there are still going to be real players who are just hitting their peak, how many of those have broken into first teams and play regularly? For example, is Jack Wilshire now an England regular playing first team football in a major league? There are a tonne of other talented real youngsters around now as well, who have the advantage of not having randomly generated stats and a few years age over them. Another point is in the last 5 years just how many young players have come through the ranks of a club and truly established themselves as a first team player? This is a genuine question, not a way of prooving or disprooving anything. I would probably bet that it is not a huge number. Feel free to contradict me but also compare what you find irl to FM before you shoot this down! Finally, does the overall average age of the squads change over time significantly? And if so in what way do they change? This is something I am quite willing to look into when i get the game, I will plot average age against time for a selection of teams from a selection of countries, and see what the trend is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsportsfan Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 i have a game simmed till 2031, shall I upload that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyIOCS Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I think its broken, they will never fix it Who's a negative Nancy today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stomalomalus Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Do you still have the save game' date=' Dyllan? If you do, could you holiday it one season further to see if there will be a sudden increase in the amount of regens in national team squads?[/quote']That's a good point, actually. In FM10, there were a lot off excellent 16-18 y/o's at game start. 9 years in, these will be forming the bulk of a national team as their stats will be superb (Lukaku, Boubacar (sp), Otamendi, Sakho, Wilshere, etc.). FM11 seems to have decreased the number of -10's by 6, so this will result in these players not "hogging" the national team in 9 season's time. I would be more interested in the state of squads in 12 years time (when those real players are 28-31) as this is when the regens will be arriving unless they are outstanding (1-2/team, right?). I wouldn't be worried yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 many claimed the game was broken when bale didn't have a 200 CA talk about over eccentric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman21 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Ok it seems many of you guys think that those 3-4 newgen screeshots i posted represented the best regens in the game. Well, it's not like that at all. I just randomly picked some of the ones showing in my player search list (sorted by player value). But, as we all know, high value doesn't necessarily mean "great player". I haven't selected them based on their attributes. Anyway, this time i went a bit in depth, actually sorting players according to their tributes, not only value. So, here we go: list: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-10-17.jpg Some of the actual best regens in the game (year 2019 - which i still consider very early on in the game, not even close to what i would call a "long term game": http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-16-42.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-23-72.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-34-39.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-46-00.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-46-38-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-06-63.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-17-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-41-78.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-08-27.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-24-23.jpg That hungarian striker.. with a somewhat arabic name (?!) seems world class already... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Sunday Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Ok it seems many of you guys think that those 3-4 newgen screeshots i posted represented the best regens in the game. Well, it's not like that at all. I just randomly picked some of the ones showing in my player search list (sorted by player value). But, as we all know, high value doesn't necessarily mean "great player". I haven't selected them based on their attributes.Anyway, this time i went a bit in depth, actually sorting players according to their tributes, not only value. So, here we go: list: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-10-17.jpg Some of the actual best regens in the game (year 2019 - which i still consider very early on in the game, not even close to what i would call a "long term game": http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-16-42.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-23-72.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-34-39.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-46-00.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-46-38-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-06-63.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-17-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-41-78.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-08-27.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-24-23.jpg That hungarian striker.. with a somewhat arabic name (?!) seems world class already... Some great regens on there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excowboy Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 probably worth running again after the patch. this from the patch text file: Newgens and Player/Non-Player Progression========================================= - Adjusted long term goalkeeper agility and balance attributes. - Adjusted code for filling in height and jumping attribute. - Adjusted Brazilian common names for newgens. - No extra youth players created at the start of the game for clubs without youth facilities. - Adjusted second nationalities for Bosnian newgens. - Finetuned jumping attribute in relation to player height. - Finetuned non-player progression. - Adjusted home grown status given to extra players generated at empty clubs and virtual players. - Fixed some retirements of non-players that were happening right before the club season ended. - Adjusted long term attribute development - Adjusted newgens from inactive African nations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 4, 2010 SI Staff Share Posted November 4, 2010 The newgens will always have a harder time cracking the first team lineups in the first 10 years or so, simply because there are a lot of young quality players in the database between the ages of 16-21 already (as was noted abote already) but also because most of the top real players in their peak tend to be modelled in the DB a bit upwards when it comes to some of their mental abilities, leading them to play on at the top level a bit longer than the average players. Naturally these kind of attributes are hard to rate in the DB, so we have been boosting the top potential newgens in the same way to try and get their longevity in the game to match the real players. Someone suggested checking average ages of the squads above so I had a quick look through some soak saves I had handy and here are the Premiership average age ranges (lowest club average age to highest club average age) from those: 2010: 25.0 to 28.6 2012: 25.7 to 31.1 2022: 24.8 to 29.6 2030: 24.7 to 29.1 2043: 25.0 to 28.4 2090: 24.8 to 28.6 2150: 25.8 to 29.3 The general average age of the squads was around 27, so pretty much along the same lines as in the starting DB. I had a look at some national teams as well and the average ages varied between 25 and 29 with most of them being around 27 as well all along. So I would say there is some periodical changes depending on a lot of factors but overall things aren't really deteriorating one way or another in this regard. Oh.. and it seems AFC Wimbledon had finally made it to the Premiership by 2150 at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Dyllan, chill out dude, the newgens are pretty ok in FM 2011. Here are some screenshots from a test holiday game which i ran last night (sorry for resolutions... they were made on a laptop): game date: november 2018 database: large /unedited leagues: england, france, italy, romania, spain (all full detail). First league only: russia, turkey, portugal NO aditional players or view only leagues were loaded Some of the best newgens worldwide: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/fm2010-11-0415-22-57-98.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/fm2010-11-0415-22-44-86.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/fm2010-11-0415-22-30-01.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/fm2010-11-0415-22-15-40.jpg ....... Those regens seem partially bugged. 2 strikers with 7 and 9 finishing. Defender and defensive midfielder with 5 and 7 bravery. Most stats are very good, but seems odd some of the important stats are so low. Hopefully not another regen issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 4, 2010 SI Staff Share Posted November 4, 2010 2 strikers with 7 and 9 finishing. Defender and defensive midfielder with 5 and 7 bravery. Not every player is perfect with regards to their attributes, especially early on in their careers and since these players are still some ways from their peak, they'll all still have room to improve. As was mentioned above, there are also strikers in the real DB with very simila attribute spreads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyllan Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 Do you still have the save game' date=' Dyllan? If you do, could you holiday it one season further to see if there will be a sudden increase in the amount of regens in national team squads?[/quote']Unfortunately, no. I started simulating a new one just now, but we'll see if I am able to finish it before the patch. There must be some turning point eventually, as the original players retire from the game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheffield Sunday Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Not every player is perfect with regards to their attributes, especially early on in their careers and since these players are still some ways from their peak, they'll all still have room to improve. As was mentioned above, there are also strikers in the real DB with very simila attribute spreads. Exactly. I really don't know what some people are getting at. Every player has his weaknesses, it won't be right if they popped out of the new-gen womb as the next di Stefano or Puscas would it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I wish you could "donate" that PC you have to run soak tests to me, Riz... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 4, 2010 SI Staff Share Posted November 4, 2010 I wish you could "donate" that PC you have to run soak tests to me, Riz... That 2150 soak was run over a long weekend some time ago now on my office desktop. And it's not mine, it's SI's. The only personal desktop PC I currently have is the same old warhorse that was used for the development of the original freeware EHM back in the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Not every player is perfect with regards to their attributes, especially early on in their careers and since these players are still some ways from their peak, they'll all still have room to improve. As was mentioned above, there are also strikers in the real DB with very simila attribute spreads. Don't get me wrong. I don't want all players to be perfect. Far from it. I just think it is more realistic to have a striker with decent finishing (that's his job after all) and maybe below average stamina, anticipation, technique, passing and/or dribling etc. IE Lower secondary skills. Not all these 15-20 all over and abysmal finishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Players like Obasi, Dembele and Kenwyne Jones exist in the database, though. I remember one of the things people complained about last year and the year before was that there was much of a muchness in high quality regens: there was a tall goalscorer and there was a short goalscorer. Last year the game didn't really generate too many effective deep lying forwards, one dimensional target men, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Players like Obasi, Dembele and Kenwyne Jones exist in the database, though. I remember one of the things people complained about last year and the year before was that there was much of a muchness in high quality regens: there was a tall goalscorer and there was a short goalscorer. Last year the game didn't really generate too many effective deep lying forwards, one dimensional target men, etc. That is one of the main things we have tried to address this year with the 'newgen templates'. So hopefully people will see poachers, target men, complete forwards etc coming through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 9 finishing is still decent. It's only one point below average. Still, you'd imagine that strikers who finished like that but were otherwise very good would be converted to another position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganizer Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 9 finishing is still decent. It's only one point below average. Still, you'd imagine that strikers who finished like that but were otherwise very good would be converted to another position. Exactly. If you can't finish in front of goal, you are better as midfielder for example. Fortunately we can retrain the players, so it's no biggie, just odd imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam_Man Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 If the game was just as good in twenty plus years time then the sales for the next years game would be less. Its business - SI want us to come back for more!!! It could easily be sorted but would not make economical sense I am afraid!!! SI have always concentrated on the short term games for the more casual user. That really makes no sense whatsoever. My last game was 40 seasons long, if it turned out to be rubbish I wouldnt have bothered buying the next version. What nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehehemann Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I have simulated until 2024, looked at some of the international squads and everything seems okay. I see lots of newgens in their early to mid 20's with caps. I dont really see any obvious attribute problems, most of these international players have the stats you would expect. edit..Had more of a look and I see lots of players with high ratings (19 or 20) for stamina and strength, more than I would have thought I would see. Also, most of my brazilian regens are white with blonde hair, I mean quite a lot of them too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankie Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I do like the look of the other newgens that Freeman has posted. Hopefully they'll be an awful lot less central defenders with a Jumping of 5 as those were the only ones I could find in FM10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quboid Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 What's a "soak save"? Is that were the game is left to run for ages so testers can see irregularities? I might do one of those overnight tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgrigg Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Exactly. If you can't finish in front of goal, you are better as midfielder for example. Fortunately we can retrain the players, so it's no biggie, just odd imo. I think it's only odd if the majority of regen strikers have poor finishing. As has been said above, there are plenty of forwards around in the real world who aren't great finishers. Those players are hardly bad, and I'd actually much rather have a striker with poor finishing but an excellent all-round game than a player with 20 finishing who can't do anything else (the poacher is easily my least used role in the tactics creator!). If I were playing as a mid-table team - Udinese for example - I'd take those two strikers in a heartbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsum Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Ok it seems many of you guys think that those 3-4 newgen screeshots i posted represented the best regens in the game. Well, it's not like that at all. I just randomly picked some of the ones showing in my player search list (sorted by player value). But, as we all know, high value doesn't necessarily mean "great player". I haven't selected them based on their attributes.Anyway, this time i went a bit in depth, actually sorting players according to their tributes, not only value. So, here we go: list: http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-10-17.jpg Some of the actual best regens in the game (year 2019 - which i still consider very early on in the game, not even close to what i would call a "long term game": http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-16-42.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-23-72.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-34-39.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-44-46-00.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-46-38-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-06-63.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-17-66.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-47-41-78.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-08-27.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/freeman211986/FS/fm2010-11-0418-48-24-23.jpg That hungarian striker.. with a somewhat arabic name (?!) seems world class already... Thanks for posting. The thing that strikes me here is not just the quality of the newgens, but how well rounded they are. A big problem I noticed with newgens in FM10 was how you'd get even a world class player with an attribute that was cripplingly low for the position he played, for example, a short centre-back with 5 for jumping. If they've sorted this out it is very encouraging for long term career players like me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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