jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Surely this has been suggested before, but teams should get no points for 0-0 draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 iirc defending is also a part of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Defending is just as much of a skill as attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan_M Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Yeah awful idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 There's a different between defending a lead and just set up to play for a 0-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan_M Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So you want someone like North Korea last night being set up having to go and surge forward against Brazil to have any chance of getting even a point from the game and leaving themselves open to a 5-0 hammering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 So? They end up with no points, how is that worse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomma Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Defending is just as much of a skill as attacking. Erm no it isn't. Far easier to defend than it is to attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Adam Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I don't like this idea but definitely think it should be... 0 points for a loss 1 point for 0-0 2 points for scoring draw 5 points for win It's 5 for a win to encourage teams to go all out. Would be more exciting but not necessarily fairer. Definitely puts the emphasis on winning games though which is what sport should be about. EDIT: This would only work over a long season... would definitely not be fair in mini groups like WC and Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan_M Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So? They end up with no points, how is that worse? Because they could put up an outstanding defensive display get a 0-0 and get a point... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiN8 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I like that idea. Would stamp out the ultra negative tactics. Teams will at least have to try to score if they want get some points out of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Because they could put up an outstanding defensive display get a 0-0 and get a point... The point of the game is score more than your opponents. If 0-0 is so great why bother playing? The match starts out as 0-0 already, might as well sit in the center circle for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbongo Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The point of the game is score more than your opponents. If 0-0 is so great why bother playing? The match starts out as 0-0 already, might as well sit in the center circle for 90 minutes. Are you American? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Are you American? No, and how is this relevant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Stuart Wilson Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Stupid idea really, really stupid..... What would stop each team allowing the other to score thus starting 1-1 and each able to gain their points if it remains a draw, where do you people come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ridiculous idea. I've seen plenty of positive minded games that ended 0-0, why punish teams who are unlucky? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 0-0, 1 point score draw, 2 points win, 3 points win by more than 3 goals, 4 points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 what a stupid idea no doubt only influenced by tv , not sure if you are aware mate but football was played well before tv came along so 0-0 is still a draw worth a point how would you feel if your team drew 0-0 with brazil and you got zero points and let's say australia lose 6-0 to brazil and finished above you because you didn't collect that extra point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 If you think football is purely about goals only then you need to wake up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sned Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Someone work out how last seasons PL would look with this system, and the 5 points for a win one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worcester City Researcher Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 OP clearly an alias of djvandyke Surprised he hasn't blamed Mick McCarthy for the 0-0 draws so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiN8 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Stupid idea really, really stupid.....What would stop each team allowing the other to score thus starting 1-1 and each able to gain their points if it remains a draw, where do you people come from? That's an interesting game theory. If you let the other team score first, would you trust them to return the favor? What if they were in desperate need of 3 points? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 what a stupid ideano doubt only influenced by tv , not sure if you are aware mate but football was played well before tv came along so 0-0 is still a draw worth a point Except teams actually tried to outscore their opponents back in the pre TV era. how would you feel if your team drew 0-0 with brazil and you got zero points and let's say australia lose 6-0 to brazil and finished above you because you didn't collect that extra point? First, GD still counts. Second, how would you feel if Brazil finish below AUS because AUS scored a lucky goal on their only shot in the match, and Brazil drew 0-0 because their opponent parked the bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan_M Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I like that idea. Would stamp out the ultra negative tactics. Teams will at least have to try to score if they want get some points out of the game. And again its suicidal for a team totally outclassed like North Korea to have to go and try and attack someone like Brazil who would have a nice easy team hitting them on the break time and time again. 0-0 gives them something to aim for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoghan_M Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Except teams actually tried to outscore their opponents back in the pre TV era.First, GD still counts. Second, how would you feel if Brazil finish below AUS because AUS scored a lucky goal on their only shot in the match, and Brazil drew 0-0 because their opponent parked the bus. I'd say well done Australia for winning their game.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Stuart Wilson Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 That's an interesting game theory. If you let the other team score first, would you trust them to return the favor? What if they were in desperate need of 3 points? The idea would never be implemented anyway but I imangine would work just like giving the ball back which happens in the same manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbongo Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 No, and how is this relevant? Because a lot of American sports fans can't comprehend the idea of a game being enjoyable despite no or low scoring. If you were I'd write the stupidity of this idea off as simply a difference in culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ridiculous idea. I've seen plenty of positive minded games that ended 0-0, why punish teams who are unlucky? Why reward teams for being so negative? For every "unlucky" teams, there are two negative ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Awful idea. Just awful. The next step in point re-structuring is surely the Bonus Point system of scoring a certain amount of goals. Say three. But to stop someone getting a point because a game ended 0-0 is an awful idea. I've seen 0-0 games that have been more exciting that 3-0 or 4-0 games! I have certainly seen 0-0 games be better than 1-0 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Stuart Wilson Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Why reward teams for being so negative? For every "unlucky" teams, there are two negative ones. For every great idea there are millions of crap ones... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Why reward teams for being so negative? For every "unlucky" teams, there are two negative ones. Very rare you get two negative teams in the same match. 0-0 doesn't suggest both teams was negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This World Cup has been dominated by teams trying not to lose the opening game, even the bigger nations have been doing it. So anything that encourages end-to-end football would get my vote. Back in the olden days teams used to play 2-3-5 formations and always had the philosophy of scoring one more than the opposition. Today the emphasis seems to be trying to concede less. Some people have said that 0-0 draws can be exciting which is true, but some of the games in this tournament have been very boring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'd say well done Australia for winning their game.. 9-0-1 must be your favorite formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well done North Korea for holding Brazil to a 0-0. Enjoy your nil point. Can see that going down well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud van Nistelrooy Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Glad we have so many people on the forum who were present during the olden days and the pre-television era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiN8 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Awful idea. Just awful. The next step in point re-structuring is surely the Bonus Point system of scoring a certain amount of goals. Say three. But to stop someone getting a point because a game ended 0-0 is an awful idea. I've seen 0-0 games that have been more exciting that 3-0 or 4-0 games! I have certainly seen 0-0 games be better than 1-0 games. The 0-0 games that were exciting is because both teams tried to score. I'm pretty sure two teams playing 5-4-1 formation doesn't produce those exciting 0-0 games. The point of jxd's idea is to dis-encourage teams that plan for a 0-0 draw with ultra defensive tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sned Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Maybe not zero points for a 0-0, but people shouldn't write off a system change completely. Wasn't THAT long ago we were still playing 2 points for a win, don't forget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Very rare you get two negative teams in the same match. 0-0 doesn't suggest both teams was negative. Exactly, all it takes is to have one negative team. This idea removes most of the incentives for negativity (you can still be negative out of pure spite). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTT Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This World Cup has been dominated by teams trying not to lose the opening game, even the bigger nations have been doing it. So anything that encourages end-to-end football would get my vote. Back in the olden days teams used to play 2-3-5 formations and always had the philosophy of scoring one more than the opposition. Today the emphasis seems to be trying to concede less.Some people have said that 0-0 draws can be exciting which is true, but some of the games in this tournament have been very boring. Really? Has anyone ever gone into start a match with 5 strikers on the pitch? Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 0 points for a 0-0 won't take into an account the game. Reward teams that score goals, don't punish teams that can't or are unlucky not too. (Does that make sense ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Maybe not zero points for a 0-0, but people shouldn't write off a system change completely. Wasn't THAT long ago we were still playing 2 points for a win, don't forget. And wasn't that long again keepers can pick up backpasses, I wonder why that got changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 No. Just no. Terrible idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So when a weaker team battles and gets a 0-0 they actually get nothing, some reward that, why not attack the better team ... oh, yeah, that's why. Basically favours the bigger nations and erm, no thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Stupid idea really, really stupid.....What would stop each team allowing the other to score thus starting 1-1 and each able to gain their points if it remains a draw, where do you people come from? Good luck convincing the other team to let you score first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Stuart Wilson Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Good luck convincing the other team to let you score first. Good luck with your idea:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Really? Has anyone ever gone into start a match with 5 strikers on the pitch? Really? I think he really did mean the old days, where the WM and before that the Pyramid ruled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxd Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 So when a weaker team battles and gets a 0-0 they actually get nothing, some reward that, why not attack the better team ... oh, yeah, that's why.Basically favours the bigger nations and erm, no thanks Wrong, it favors the BETTER teams, just the way it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroPhil Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 9-a-side and bigger goals please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Ricardo Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Everybody will forget about these opening matches by this time next week when teams know they'll need a win to qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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