Why does the player with 2 goals always have to take possible penalty kick?

If there is a guy with 2 goals and I get a penalty, he'll take it. Extremely frustrating. I've lost games due to this.

I have preferred penalty takers but doesn't factor into it when there's a guy with 2 goals.

Anyone know any solutions? Thanks.

I don't think there are any.

Apparently it depends on the squad personality as well but you don't have any direct control over it.

If there is a guy with 2 goals and I get a penalty, he'll take it. Extremely frustrating. I've lost games due to this.

Given penalties are hardly ever missed in this version, I find that difficult to believe. That said, there should possibly an option to override that when it happens.

It should also depend on the fixture and the scoreline.

Dave,

Been 2-0 up, some defender who's scored twice on corners gets to take a pen at around 40 min - misses. Go on and lose 2-3.

That's the only specific example I can remember, so games might be an exaggeration. Still though, it can be infuriating to have your top scorer, preferred PK tacker, and captain (C. Ronaldo in my most recent save) give the ball to a defender when CR would score that pen himself 95% of the time.

Dave,

Been 2-0 up, some defender who's scored twice on corners gets to take a pen at around 40 min - misses. Go on and lose 2-3.

It's a bit harsh to blame losing 3-2 after being 2-0 up on the player who misses a penalty. And anyway, the regular PK taker might have missed himself. But I do agree there should be some element of choice in the 'feature'.

I've missed out on a few wins because of this. Generally I agree with it because players on 2 goals do generally take pens but if you are 2-2 with 5 mins to go I'd want my 1st choice taking it any day!

It should also depend on the fixture and the scoreline.

Yeah I was gonna say. I've don't recall being in a position where a play on a hattrick has taken a penalty in a tied match or a match where I was losing in any version I've played. It would be very strange if that would have changed.

Dave,

Been 2-0 up, some defender who's scored twice on corners gets to take a pen at around 40 min - misses. Go on and lose 2-3.

That's the only specific example I can remember, so games might be an exaggeration. Still though, it can be infuriating to have your top scorer, preferred PK tacker, and captain (C. Ronaldo in my most recent save) give the ball to a defender when CR would score that pen himself 95% of the time.

Honestly, if you were up 2-0 and then lost 3-2 I don't think you should be blaming the player who missed the penalty. You should be trying to figure out why you conceded 3 goals after being up by 2.

Its like we've stepped back in time:

OP asks a straight forward question: "How do I prevent a player not on my set penalty taker list from taking a penalty?"

The forum replies (albeit in a more subtle way): "It's your tactics".

It seems like a part of the game that, due to the low probability of it happening (a player scoring 2 goals and not being a forward/preferred PK taker + being awarded a penalty), has never been revisited to be balanced or addressed.

To me, it should have been removed in the same version as it was introduced, as it can have frustrating and unintended consequences that are nothing to do with 'realism'. It just feels poorly thought through.

To me, it should have been removed in the same version as it was introduced, as it can have frustrating and unintended consequences that are nothing to do with 'realism'. It just feels poorly thought through.

but it was introduced because it happened IRL

a player was often given the opportunity to complete their hattrick if they were taking a penalty (especially when the game was won)

you could argue in 6s case that being 2-0 up inside 40 minutes is a pretty safe win, particularly as he's RealMadrid (unless he's playing Barca, but even then), I'd give the opportunity to my DC to complete his hattrick

It's not anywhere near as common irl as it is in FM, it's an annoying aspect that I would like to see fixed so that the ME AI is more aware of the penalty taking ability of the player, the time of the match, the current score & the mentality of the players who ate giving up the chance to score.

If it's my CB who has two headers form set-pieces & it's not second half added time with a comfortable lead then he should not be taking the spot kick.

Do people really think that Rooney or Ronaldo would not take a penalty just because Smalling or Ramos have already scored a brace?

It's not anywhere near as common irl as it is in FM, it's an annoying aspect that I would like to see fixed so that the ME AI is more aware of the penalty taking ability of the player, the time of the match, the current score & the mentality of the players who ate giving up the chance to score

but is that because DCs (or non specialists) are scoring more goals in FM due to the exploitation of the system?

when was the last game IRL that saw a brace being scored and then a penalty being awarded (Callum Wilson for Bournemouth being the latest, but is he their regular penalty taker?)

I can't believe this got turned into another "it's your tactics" thing, "why are you losing 3 goals having been 2-0 up", dear me!

I've had this happen to me on I think 3 occasions that I can remember, I was furious the time it ended up with the game being drawn.

We were 1-0 down then it was 1-1, then 1-2 to them, we then equalised both times my CB had scored the goals from corners, we got a penalty in the 83rd minute and up stepped my CB with a penalty rating of 6.

He of course blasted it wide and the game ended 2-2, this was a big game for us and ended up costing us a place in a European competition.

There is not much point in being in control of your teams tactics if you can not even say who should be taking the penalty!

It is a flaw in the game and I hope that after I think 2 years that SI will listen and take it out of the game, or at the very least have a small window open asking if you would like the regular penalty taker to take the penalty or the guy that is on a hattrick.

When Liverpool came second we were awarded about a dozen penalties. Gerrard took every one regardless.

You should be able to say x takes penalties no matter what, and if there's a situation a la Balotelli, you discipline him.

It has been mentioned often that the game should advise the manager that player A, who is not the nominated penalty taker and who has 2 goals already, is taking the penalty and give the option to change it.

I'd expect it in friendlies and to a degree in other less serious games when the context allows it, maybe. Outside of that, I consider it worth reporting and have done so myself previously, especially if we're talking top level (so highly professional) teams.

Its like we've stepped back in time:

OP asks a straight forward question: "How do I prevent a player not on my set penalty taker list from taking a penalty?"

The forum replies (albeit in a more subtle way): "It's your tactics".

It seems like a part of the game that, due to the low probability of it happening (a player scoring 2 goals and not being a forward/preferred PK taker + being awarded a penalty), has never been revisited to be balanced or addressed.

To me, it should have been removed in the same version as it was introduced, as it can have frustrating and unintended consequences that are nothing to do with 'realism'. It just feels poorly thought through.

I can't believe this got turned into another "it's your tactics" thing, "why are you losing 3 goals having been 2-0 up", dear me!

I've had this happen to me on I think 3 occasions that I can remember, I was furious the time it ended up with the game being drawn.

We were 1-0 down then it was 1-1, then 1-2 to them, we then equalised both times my CB had scored the goals from corners, we got a penalty in the 83rd minute and up stepped my CB with a penalty rating of 6.

He of course blasted it wide and the game ended 2-2, this was a big game for us and ended up costing us a place in a European competition.

There is not much point in being in control of your teams tactics if you can not even say who should be taking the penalty!

It is a flaw in the game and I hope that after I think 2 years that SI will listen and take it out of the game, or at the very least have a small window open asking if you would like the regular penalty taker to take the penalty or the guy that is on a hattrick.

lol first off my comment was about him conceding 3 goals and not toward the OP original point.

Anyways, if that's what been happening to you then that is a problem. It never happened in previous versions of FM I played and the only time I've had a guy step up to complete his hattrick in FM15 the result of the match was already determined. But to have it removed from it altogether I wouldn't agree with. I think it's a nice touch.

It has been mentioned often that the game should advise the manager that player A, who is not the nominated penalty taker and who has 2 goals already, is taking the penalty and give the option to change it.

This would be a good solution. The game could automatically switch to the tactics screen when the penalty is awarded, like it does when a player is injured. You can make any changes you like to the penalty taker's list, then carry on.

I can't remember ONE occurrence in real life where a player who wasn't among the regular takers was allowed to take the penalty only to complete his hat-trick...

The closest thing is a particularly charismatic/selfish player WANTING to shoot the penalty despite not being the first choice for that, but it's a completely different scenario. Not to mention the manager is seldom happy about that happening anyway, so a repeat of that is out of question.

Or the designated taker leaving it to a teammate as a nice gesture, for personal reasons, but that happens either in testimonial games, friendlies or when the win is in the bag already.

I'd say it's one of FM's quirks that should have been "solved" a long time ago, yet it's still there for whatever reason...

lol first off my comment was about him conceding 3 goals and not toward the OP original point.

That is not why he made the thread, he didn't ask for any tactics advice, he never complained about losing a 2 goal lead.

He asked about a feature that is flawed and he has a very valid point.

Best to do when FM16 arrives is to report times (with a PKM) when a player with 2 goals steps up to take the penalty when it wouldn't be realistic for it to happen, IF it happens in FM16.

I can't remember ONE occurrence in real life where a player who wasn't among the regular takers was allowed to take the penalty only to complete his hat-trick...

Lee Chapman, 1989 Leeds v Oxford...

Just make it a choice for the manager, have a pop up box that says "player x wants to take the penalty, he's an a hat trick".

At least he was a striker,

There is not much point in being in control of your teams tactics if you can not even say who should be taking the penalty!

Absolutely agree!

Although players can & should ignore their manager from time to time.

Although players can & should ignore their manager from time to time.

Maybe once.

the same is happened for me many times - I have already reported it in bugs forum in February: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/420659-Reviewed-If-someone-scored-2-goals-he-always-takes-penalties

This would be a good solution. The game could automatically switch to the tactics screen when the penalty is awarded, like it does when a player is injured. You can make any changes you like to the penalty taker's list, then carry on.

Shouldn't even be as complicated as that. You could get a pop-up that "it looks like {player on a hattrick} will take the penalty to complete his hattrick, but the players are looking over to the bench for approval" and all you need to do is click YES / NO.

The decision might even carry its own consequences, with a professional squad accepting it, but a less professional squad (lower leagues, most likely) getting a morale drop (or maybe just the player and his 'allies') because of it, depending on the match and context around it.

Shouldn't even be as complicated as that. You could get a pop-up that "it looks like {player on a hattrick} will take the penalty to complete his hattrick, but the players are looking over to the bench for approval" and all you need to do is click YES / NO.

The decision might even carry its own consequences, with a professional squad accepting it, but a less professional squad (lower leagues, most likely) getting a morale drop (or maybe just the player and his 'allies') because of it, depending on the match and context around it.

That is the most elegant solution I have heard for that situation in a while

That is not why he made the thread, he didn't ask for any tactics advice, he never complained about losing a 2 goal lead.

He asked about a feature that is flawed and he has a very valid point.

Yes and I commented on said feature too. But whatever.

There have been times when multiple players want to take a free kick or penalty and they settle it among themselves.

Maybe it would be nice if you were given the option to decide whether you wanted to choose your current penalty taker or the player on a hattrick if put in that situation.

At least he was a striker,

He only got away with it because he was 4ft taller than Strachan

Didn't we all want an overide when robson select to go for a try instead of kicking kicking for an equaliser

Quite often in matches you may see this happen but if its a draw and in the last minute you get a penalty the captain put really give the ball to the normal penalty taker.

Not sure what the FM coding is here as it may depend on circumstances

Given penalties are hardly ever missed in this version, I find that difficult to believe. That said, there should possibly an option to override that when it happens.

Lol. In FM15 I missed 5 penalties in a row (Rooney and Carrick)

but is that because DCs (or non specialists) are scoring more goals in FM due to the exploitation of the system?

when was the last game IRL that saw a brace being scored and then a penalty being awarded (Callum Wilson for Bournemouth being the latest, but is he their regular penalty taker?)

It's happened in Luton games twice in the last six years, and in neither case was the guy on a hattrick allowed to take the pen.

The first time was back in 09 I think, when our centre back had scored 2 goals and we were leading 3-1. We were given a penalty in stoppage time, and the centre back went up and demanded the ball as you would expect. Our striker, and nominated penalty taker, promptly told him to bugger off, took the ball and whacked it in. That one was decided purely by the players, probably in large part because the striker wanted to add to his goal tally.

It happened again two seasons ago, in about February time just as we were establishing a 10 point lead at the top of the league. Our #10 had scored 2 goals and we were leading 4-0 at home with 20 minutes to go when we were awarded a pen. Our regular penalty taker picked up the ball and offered it to the guy on a hattrick, but he turned it down after looking over to the bench and seeing our manager telling him not to take it. The normal pen taker took it, scored, we won 5-0. After the match the local radio guy asked our manager about it and he said you always have to be professional about these things, you never know when goal difference might be important so the nominated penalty taker always takes pens regardless of situation.

I agree with our manager, barring extreme circumstances (after we had won the league with 2 games left he let our leading scorer take one to help him on his way to the golden boot for example). It's a frequent source of annoyance for me that you have no option to affect this in FM.

Easy fix. If there's a penalty and someone other than your on pitch primary penalty taker is on a hat-trick then you get a message that he is asking if he can take it. Your choice. Could be expanded to give further choices, especially in the last game of the season, eg player retiring / leaving, scoring record on the cards etc.

It's not a massive issue, so quick fix and concentrate on the tricky stuff.

Nathan Dyer wanted to fight De Guzman to take a penalty to complete his hattrick in the cup final against Bradford, which would have made him the first ever player to score a hattrick in the final of that tournament iirc.

Even then he didn't get to. It very rarely happens in real life, but is unavoidable in FM. Pretty dumb.

Penalty takers likely having a goal bonus & in some cases a very hefty one should probably be a factor.

As clokey as eluded to regular penalty takers tend to be rather precious when it comes to giving up their spot. Messi being a very good case given his recent record form the spot, will be interesting to see if he resumes being #1 for penalties when he returns from injury.

Messi being a very good case

interesting to see if he resumes being #1 for penalties when he returns

Messi's not that good a penalty taker, the very least he's not #1 (maybe top 10-15)

Messi's not that good a penalty taker, the very least he's not #1 (maybe top 10-15)

Barside meant if he would be Barca's number 1 for taking penalties when he returns for Barca.

For the record though, he is not even in the top 30 for penalties!

Barside meant if he would be Barca's number 1 for taking penalties when he returns for Barca.

For the record though, he is not even in the top 30 for penalties!

Fair game, point taken.

Yep, even though there are more proficient players from the spot at Barcelona their primary penalty taker is Messi because he gets what he wants.

Yep, even though there are more proficient players from the spot at Barcelona their primary penalty taker is Messi because he gets what he wants.

Yeah, I completely agree with you on that, I just misinterpreted your former post. My bad, sorry.