sperlz Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Direct Freekicks are not scored. Such a major part of football and they are practically obsolete. SI games were made aware of this issue during FM 2011 and it hasn't been addressed. How can you have only one Direct free kick scored after some 120 games of football. Without these goals, the game is fake, it doesn't represent real football. The real ratio of freekick goals to games is around 1 in 12, not 1 in 120. I notified SI of multiple bugs from FM2011, with examples like the TV game bug which still remains and multiple other bugs and none of them have been addressed. I have no idea why, but the fact is that the demo will not be changed before release and I dont know how they can change the match engine to incorporate free kicks without it having huge knock on effects which makes it likely that this will not be fixed at all on the game. therefore I wont be purchasing until this is addressed and thats likely to not be until FM2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 this was not an issue in FM11 i scored multiple direct free kicks in FM11 *remembers Srna scoring a peach against Bayern, which basically won me the tie* also, i can prove that this wasn't an issue on '11, see here (because i got the youtube vid of it): if that's not proof that direct free kicks can be scored, then i don't know what is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUTactician247 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I'm playing FM11 and not having this problem, eg in my last season playing as Tamworth in the BSN, we managed to score 4 direct free-kicks all from different players! And the Blue Square North is a fair bit lower than the Premier League. If you want, here are the CURRENT free-kick taking stats of the players who scored, they may have changed since they scored. Danny Elliott - 9 Jake Bidwell - 12 Bradley Gascoigne - 10 Daniel Bradley - 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Me to Ive scored loads from Direct Free kicks in FM2011 especially if I have had a player with a good long shot stat as well. Don't know what the op is on about. Maybe its his tactics;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I'm not even playing, I simmed the first 12-13 weeks of the season in the premier league and only one freekick has been scored. All games on full detail, so it shows that there is a lack of goals from DFK's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GioGio85 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 To be honest, how many players actually score free kicks nowadays? i know a few from Rooney and Baines have scored a few over the last couple of years and I have seen a few decent ones on the football league show, but it is a dying art . Certainly not something to stop me buying the game.... Especially since I see them go in now and then n the game too :s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 the game needs to be in full detail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLS Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 In my first four games at Tottenham Bale has scored one (into the top corner from 30 yards out) and also hit the post, albeit in a Europa League playoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
underwater sunlight Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 i've scored plenty (and hadf a few scored against me) free kicks in FM11 and scored a couple so far in FM12 demo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham206 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I'm still in August and I can remember two goals from direct free kicks by my team off the top of my head. There may have been more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMdan44 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I've never seen a direct free-kick scored on the game, but I'm not too bothered, it'll happen eventually, i'm sure. (probly for an AI team but ah well) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wlocke Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 i agree with OP about the lack of DFK goals, but not that its gamebreaking. havent seen a DFK goal in ages (both fm11 and fm12). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich74 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 free kicks are fine no issue for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginga-Assassin Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 You COULD just bring the issue up and it'd probably get included in the first patch if it was proven to be a problem bug. Not really enough reason to completely boycott the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidHypeTellem Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I never had this issue. Douglas Costa and Van Persie were always banging them in! lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista. Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 why are people posting bugs in the general forums? there is a bugs forum. post it there. the general forum is riddled with bug related threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 why are people posting bugs in the general forums? there is a bugs forum. post it there. the general forum is riddled with bug related threads. because people are more interested in moaning then getting It sorted the proper way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal postie Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 i set Hulk as my free kick taker in fm11 and he scored a decent amount of direct free kicks. his free kick ability did just consist of him kicking it as hard as he could in a straight line, but he got the necessary result! bale scored a few corkers too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwolves Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 You can't make a **** freekick taker to score goals for you :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Mongoose Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 5 DFK's were scored up to 31/12/11 in the premiership in my demo game. But before saying this is a bug, how does this compare to real life stats? Tons of goals have been scored from IFK's, probably about 60. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Who is sure that this is even a bug, most people don't know the difference between a bug and the outcomes of programming... It is a good idea to post these sort of things where you can get feedback because ultimately you can be unsure, it's not a crime. I haven't seen anyone else posting screenshots of DFK scored during a half season, so the ones that are moaning about other people moaning - do us all a favor and give it rest. 'Put your money where your mouth is' if you don't think this is a problem - if it does turn out to be a problem then it would be a good idea to move it over to the bugs forum... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Just checked it out myself and here is the screenshot: By loversleaper at 2011-10-09 Wouldn't exactly say that this isn't an issue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Nowhere near a big enough sample to prove anything conclusive, I know the ME team religously study these stats and do extensive soak tests so I'd be inclined to wait a bit before declaring an emergency. I will point PaulC to this thread though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Here are the stats for La Liga last season: http://enbsports.blogspot.com/2011/09/2010-2011-la-liga-direct-free-kick.html Looking at some of the other save-games I've played (just been checking out a few more), then I would say that the FM stats lay generally under 50% of the real life stats in average... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Finished the demo twice over already in Italy 8 direct free kicks scored and in England 24 direct free kicks scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlm_77 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Ive done the demo once in England and checked DFK's, I counted 17, not bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted October 9, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted October 9, 2011 I thought I'd drop a post in here as there hasn't been a vast amount of feedback on the ME which I tend to think is a good thing We run soak tests in full detail for every iteration of the ME. The version in FM2012 is I believe v981, and below are some stats from our own tests. Bear in mind the ME in FM2012 is very similar to 11.3 in terms of AI and decision making so I wouldn't expect any noticeable difference stat wise from 11.3. Most changes have been in terms of the 3D representation and wont affect results or stats. Anyway, if you dont want to scroll through all the stats here, the average direct free kick goals per game is around 0.05 which equates to 1 in every 20 matches. I dont have real world stats to compare to but it certainly doesnt *feel* particularly wrong. Note the discrepency in DFK stats across different countries below which is almost certainly database related. English Premier Division --------------- Games played 380 Goals per match 2.67 Shots per match 25.94 Shots on target per match 9.77 (38%) Goals per match (home) 1.54 Shots per match (home) 14.58 Shots on target per match(h) 5.62 (39%) Goals per match (away) 1.13 Shots per match (away) 11.36 Shots on target per match(a) 4.16 (37%) Penalties per match 0.17 Penalty conversion 0.14 (84%) Own Goals per match 0.15 Disallowed Goals per match 0.19 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 5.77 Saves Held 2.94 Saves Parried 2.96 Saves Tipped 1.49 Clear cut chances per match 3.04 Half chances per match 7.76 Other chances per match 15.33 Blocked shots per match 5.78 Hit woodwork per match 0.87 Passes per match 624.81 Passes completed 480.22 (77%) Passes key 10.01 Crosses per match 37.54 Crosses completed 6.27 (17%) Tackles per match 90.07 Tackles completed 60.88 (68%) Tackles key 3.12 Headers key 14.59 Assists per match 2.33 RPOs per match 16.96 Interceptions per match 63.73 Offsides per match 5.79 Fouls per match 27.46 Throw ins per match 32.75 Corners per match 10.39 Goals from corners 0.37 Goals from DFKs 0.04 Goals from IFKs 0.35 Yellow cards per match 2.74 Red cards per match 0.16 Major injuries per match 0.51 Minor injuries per match 0.28 Hat tricks per match 0.03 First half goals 53% Goals by strikers 45% Goals by midfielders 43% Goals by defenders 7% Headed shots 13% Headed shots on target 48% Headed goals 17% Long range shots 44% Long range goals 10% Close range shots 16% Close range goals 43% Draws 22% 0-0 Draws 7% Win margin 1.53 3 goal wins 13% 4 goal wins 4% 5+ goal wins 2% Goalkeeper Rating 6.90 Right Back Rating 6.87 Left Back Rating 6.88 Centre Back Rating 6.87 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 6.86 Right Mid rating 6.90 Left Mid rating 6.94 Centre Mid Rating 6.93 Right AM rating 6.86 Left AM rating 6.93 AM rating 6.87 Striker rating 6.91 Overall rating 6.89 npower Championship --------------- Games played 557 Goals per match 2.79 Shots per match 24.67 Shots on target per match 9.13 (37%) Goals per match (home) 1.55 Shots per match (home) 13.53 Shots on target per match(h) 5.05 (37%) Goals per match (away) 1.23 Shots per match (away) 11.08 Shots on target per match(a) 4.05 (37%) Penalties per match 0.15 Penalty conversion 0.12 (77%) Own Goals per match 0.12 Disallowed Goals per match 0.18 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 5.30 Saves Held 2.77 Saves Parried 2.50 Saves Tipped 1.36 Clear cut chances per match 3.13 Half chances per match 7.19 Other chances per match 14.56 Blocked shots per match 5.31 Hit woodwork per match 0.88 Passes per match 613.18 Passes completed 467.58 (76%) Passes key 10.15 Crosses per match 40.18 Crosses completed 6.84 (17%) Tackles per match 83.21 Tackles completed 56.32 (68%) Tackles key 3.43 Headers key 14.50 Assists per match 2.49 RPOs per match 15.52 Interceptions per match 65.33 Offsides per match 5.91 Fouls per match 23.79 Throw ins per match 36.03 Corners per match 10.33 Goals from corners 0.50 Goals from DFKs 0.04 Goals from IFKs 0.23 Yellow cards per match 2.69 Red cards per match 0.14 Major injuries per match 0.47 Minor injuries per match 0.28 Hat tricks per match 0.04 First half goals 49% Goals by strikers 49% Goals by midfielders 37% Goals by defenders 10% Headed shots 14% Headed shots on target 49% Headed goals 20% Long range shots 44% Long range goals 9% Close range shots 17% Close range goals 49% Draws 21% 0-0 Draws 6% Win margin 1.42 3 goal wins 10% 4 goal wins 4% 5+ goal wins 1% Goalkeeper Rating 6.81 Right Back Rating 6.90 Left Back Rating 6.90 Centre Back Rating 6.89 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 6.90 Right Mid rating 6.88 Left Mid rating 6.88 Centre Mid Rating 6.86 Right AM rating 6.91 Left AM rating 6.90 AM rating 6.89 Striker rating 6.85 Overall rating 6.87 Serie A --------------- Games played 380 Goals per match 2.35 Shots per match 23.99 Shots on target per match 8.72 (36%) Goals per match (home) 1.35 Shots per match (home) 13.36 Shots on target per match(h) 4.84 (36%) Goals per match (away) 1.00 Shots per match (away) 10.63 Shots on target per match(a) 3.88 (36%) Penalties per match 0.19 Penalty conversion 0.16 (81%) Own Goals per match 0.09 Disallowed Goals per match 0.18 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 5.64 Saves Held 2.78 Saves Parried 2.54 Saves Tipped 1.32 Clear cut chances per match 2.50 Half chances per match 6.69 Other chances per match 15.04 Blocked shots per match 5.65 Hit woodwork per match 0.82 Passes per match 623.46 Passes completed 483.18 (78%) Passes key 8.61 Crosses per match 38.17 Crosses completed 6.34 (17%) Tackles per match 86.67 Tackles completed 58.36 (67%) Tackles key 2.66 Headers key 15.03 Assists per match 2.11 RPOs per match 15.13 Interceptions per match 61.58 Offsides per match 5.27 Fouls per match 26.99 Throw ins per match 34.18 Corners per match 10.10 Goals from corners 0.43 Goals from DFKs 0.06 Goals from IFKs 0.24 Yellow cards per match 5.13 Red cards per match 0.31 Major injuries per match 0.48 Minor injuries per match 0.24 Hat tricks per match 0.02 First half goals 50% Goals by strikers 53% Goals by midfielders 34% Goals by defenders 10% Headed shots 14% Headed shots on target 46% Headed goals 19% Long range shots 48% Long range goals 14% Close range shots 16% Close range goals 46% Draws 26% 0-0 Draws 12% Win margin 1.34 3 goal wins 9% 4 goal wins 3% 5+ goal wins 2% Goalkeeper Rating 6.88 Right Back Rating 6.89 Left Back Rating 6.91 Centre Back Rating 6.83 Right Wing Back Rating 6.74 Left Wing Back Rating 6.73 Def Mid Rating 6.97 Right Mid rating 6.79 Left Mid rating 6.83 Centre Mid Rating 6.87 Right AM rating 6.88 Left AM rating 6.98 AM rating 6.81 Striker rating 6.87 Overall rating 6.86 Italian Serie B --------------- Games played 470 Goals per match 2.62 Shots per match 21.43 Shots on target per match 7.57 (35%) Goals per match (home) 1.44 Shots per match (home) 11.79 Shots on target per match(h) 4.11 (35%) Goals per match (away) 1.18 Shots per match (away) 9.64 Shots on target per match(a) 3.46 (36%) Penalties per match 0.16 Penalty conversion 0.13 (80%) Own Goals per match 0.12 Disallowed Goals per match 0.15 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 4.80 Saves Held 2.29 Saves Parried 1.89 Saves Tipped 1.06 Clear cut chances per match 2.49 Half chances per match 6.01 Other chances per match 13.11 Blocked shots per match 4.82 Hit woodwork per match 0.91 Passes per match 620.59 Passes completed 477.65 (77%) Passes key 8.54 Crosses per match 39.74 Crosses completed 7.00 (18%) Tackles per match 80.12 Tackles completed 54.00 (67%) Tackles key 2.60 Headers key 14.19 Assists per match 2.36 RPOs per match 14.92 Interceptions per match 63.54 Offsides per match 5.21 Fouls per match 24.58 Throw ins per match 37.02 Corners per match 9.49 Goals from corners 0.46 Goals from DFKs 0.04 Goals from IFKs 0.34 Yellow cards per match 3.54 Red cards per match 0.18 Major injuries per match 0.47 Minor injuries per match 0.30 Hat tricks per match 0.03 First half goals 49% Goals by strikers 50% Goals by midfielders 35% Goals by defenders 10% Headed shots 16% Headed shots on target 49% Headed goals 26% Long range shots 44% Long range goals 10% Close range shots 19% Close range goals 51% Draws 30% 0-0 Draws 7% Win margin 1.23 3 goal wins 11% 4 goal wins 3% 5+ goal wins 1% Goalkeeper Rating 6.76 Right Back Rating 6.85 Left Back Rating 6.91 Centre Back Rating 6.82 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 6.89 Right Mid rating 6.82 Left Mid rating 6.87 Centre Mid Rating 6.85 Right AM rating 6.88 Left AM rating 6.91 AM rating 6.81 Striker rating 6.86 Overall rating 6.85 LIGA BBVA --------------- Games played 380 Goals per match 3.12 Shots per match 25.66 Shots on target per match 9.97 (39%) Goals per match (home) 1.72 Shots per match (home) 14.57 Shots on target per match(h) 5.74 (39%) Goals per match (away) 1.40 Shots per match (away) 11.09 Shots on target per match(a) 4.23 (38%) Penalties per match 0.23 Penalty conversion 0.18 (78%) Own Goals per match 0.13 Disallowed Goals per match 0.19 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 5.62 Saves Held 2.66 Saves Parried 2.99 Saves Tipped 1.55 Clear cut chances per match 3.32 Half chances per match 7.67 Other chances per match 14.87 Blocked shots per match 5.64 Hit woodwork per match 0.89 Passes per match 607.78 Passes completed 468.28 (77%) Passes key 10.64 Crosses per match 40.34 Crosses completed 6.80 (17%) Tackles per match 83.90 Tackles completed 55.99 (67%) Tackles key 3.18 Headers key 14.99 Assists per match 2.78 RPOs per match 16.54 Interceptions per match 62.20 Offsides per match 5.96 Fouls per match 26.61 Throw ins per match 32.27 Corners per match 10.87 Goals from corners 0.46 Goals from DFKs 0.07 Goals from IFKs 0.37 Yellow cards per match 4.62 Red cards per match 0.28 Major injuries per match 0.51 Minor injuries per match 0.31 Hat tricks per match 0.08 First half goals 49% Goals by strikers 41% Goals by midfielders 46% Goals by defenders 8% Headed shots 14% Headed shots on target 47% Headed goals 17% Long range shots 44% Long range goals 11% Close range shots 17% Close range goals 46% Draws 19% 0-0 Draws 4% Win margin 1.82 3 goal wins 17% 4 goal wins 5% 5+ goal wins 6% Goalkeeper Rating 6.82 Right Back Rating 6.87 Left Back Rating 6.84 Centre Back Rating 6.84 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 6.94 Right Mid rating 6.76 Left Mid rating 6.76 Centre Mid Rating 6.90 Right AM rating 7.00 Left AM rating 6.96 AM rating 6.93 Striker rating 6.91 Overall rating 6.88 LIGA adelante --------------- Games played 468 Goals per match 2.86 Shots per match 22.70 Shots on target per match 8.72 (38%) Goals per match (home) 1.65 Shots per match (home) 12.59 Shots on target per match(h) 4.85 (39%) Goals per match (away) 1.21 Shots per match (away) 10.11 Shots on target per match(a) 3.87 (38%) Penalties per match 0.16 Penalty conversion 0.11 (70%) Own Goals per match 0.14 Disallowed Goals per match 0.18 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 4.71 Saves Held 2.53 Saves Parried 2.43 Saves Tipped 1.22 Clear cut chances per match 3.07 Half chances per match 6.83 Other chances per match 12.97 Blocked shots per match 4.72 Hit woodwork per match 0.91 Passes per match 608.93 Passes completed 464.87 (76%) Passes key 10.24 Crosses per match 41.71 Crosses completed 7.03 (17%) Tackles per match 77.48 Tackles completed 51.69 (67%) Tackles key 3.20 Headers key 14.38 Assists per match 2.51 RPOs per match 15.39 Interceptions per match 64.76 Offsides per match 5.94 Fouls per match 23.97 Throw ins per match 35.41 Corners per match 10.48 Goals from corners 0.50 Goals from DFKs 0.04 Goals from IFKs 0.33 Yellow cards per match 3.09 Red cards per match 0.18 Major injuries per match 0.56 Minor injuries per match 0.28 Hat tricks per match 0.03 First half goals 50% Goals by strikers 39% Goals by midfielders 46% Goals by defenders 10% Headed shots 15% Headed shots on target 53% Headed goals 23% Long range shots 43% Long range goals 10% Close range shots 19% Close range goals 49% Draws 23% 0-0 Draws 5% Win margin 1.42 3 goal wins 9% 4 goal wins 4% 5+ goal wins 1% Goalkeeper Rating 6.78 Right Back Rating 6.83 Left Back Rating 6.88 Centre Back Rating 6.88 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 6.88 Right Mid rating 6.82 Left Mid rating 6.86 Centre Mid Rating 6.86 Right AM rating 6.93 Left AM rating 6.97 AM rating 6.93 Striker rating 6.87 Overall rating 6.87 European Champions Cup --------------- Games played 125 Goals per match 2.54 Shots per match 27.07 Shots on target per match 10.60 (39%) Goals per match (home) 1.38 Shots per match (home) 15.49 Shots on target per match(h) 6.00 (39%) Goals per match (away) 1.14 Shots per match (away) 11.22 Shots on target per match(a) 4.41 (39%) Penalties per match 0.18 Penalty conversion 0.14 (77%) Own Goals per match 0.09 Disallowed Goals per match 0.30 Shots Blocked while Defending per match 5.58 Saves Held 3.18 Saves Parried 3.40 Saves Tipped 1.58 Clear cut chances per match 3.04 Half chances per match 8.28 Other chances per match 15.87 Blocked shots per match 5.60 Hit woodwork per match 0.78 Passes per match 617.12 Passes completed 479.86 (78%) Passes key 10.13 Crosses per match 39.60 Crosses completed 6.54 (17%) Tackles per match 83.93 Tackles completed 56.54 (67%) Tackles key 3.25 Headers key 15.24 Assists per match 2.33 RPOs per match 18.83 Interceptions per match 61.12 Offsides per match 5.46 Fouls per match 25.31 Throw ins per match 30.32 Corners per match 10.98 Goals from corners 0.36 Goals from DFKs 0.06 Goals from IFKs 0.17 Yellow cards per match 3.45 Red cards per match 0.19 Major injuries per match 0.57 Minor injuries per match 0.22 Hat tricks per match 0.05 First half goals 48% Goals by strikers 45% Goals by midfielders 42% Goals by defenders 10% Headed shots 12% Headed shots on target 48% Headed goals 16% Long range shots 44% Long range goals 12% Close range shots 15% Close range goals 44% Draws 26% 0-0 Draws 10% Win margin 1.44 3 goal wins 14% 4 goal wins 4% 5+ goal wins 2% Goalkeeper Rating 6.97 Right Back Rating 6.92 Left Back Rating 6.99 Centre Back Rating 6.93 Right Wing Back Rating 6.80 Left Wing Back Rating 6.80 Def Mid Rating 7.03 Right Mid rating 6.86 Left Mid rating 6.80 Centre Mid Rating 6.92 Right AM rating 7.17 Left AM rating 6.98 AM rating 6.92 Striker rating 6.92 Overall rating 6.91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Tiro Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I haven't scored any free kicks in the demo so far....however I have conceded 5! May need to increase my wall size to 4 rather than 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Just played a Atalanta save: By loversleaper at 2011-10-09 That's 6 goals total untill 31.12.2012, 16 league games played for each team. With the statistics in PaulC's post the estimate should be around 40 goals a season, which is pretty accurate compared to real life stats although it swings naturally so you have a plus or minus margine. But saying that it is in the 35-45 region is pretty 'safe'. Half of that (minus a couple of games) is still pretty far off this test as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wazza Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I'm not even playing, I simmed the first 12-13 weeks of the season in the premier league and only one freekick has been scored. All games on full detail, so it shows that there is a lack of goals from DFK's Ive played for 15 seasons, signed players with good free kick taking and long shots. Set free kick taking to long and the player has banged them in. I have managed 5 clubs and as long as I had the right player with the right settings I scored lots of goals from direct free kicks. So I dont believe this is an issue. Also taking your stats from 12-13 weeks of skimmed gametime to base an opinion on is abit unrealistic imo as there are other variables in the game to take into account, ie players attributes fk taking long shots, composure, preffered moves etc.. and players preffered moves to shoot with power also the morale of the player. If his morale is low he may not score as many and as you say you have skimmed through 12 -13 weeks I dont think you have managed this in the detail required to get a realistic result. Take your advice from seasonsed players before you decide to quit as you will be making a mistake. However to say SI have not addressed this issue is incorrect as there are posters on here as well who see this isnt an issue but if you wish to quit because you think it is you are quitting for the wrong reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Just complete a game with Wolves, 19 games played in the EPL: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Only 4 goals scored on DFK... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgins Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Just complete a game with Wolves, 19 games played in the EPL: By loversleaper at 2011-10-10 Only 4 goals scored on DFK... Body of evidence SI...? Come on guys, that was a well known issue from FM 11, from what I saw till now it seems far from being addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Maybe the stats are about right for the number that go in now but personally i would like to see a lot more freekick goals scored. Especially when you are say 10 seasons in and have a monster in your team with 20's in the freekick department. Pretty sure the match engine boys could take a couple of goals off corners to compensate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Ive played for 15 seasons, signed players with good free kick taking and long shots. Set free kick taking to long and the player has banged them in. I have managed 5 clubs and as long as I had the right player with the right settings I scored lots of goals from direct free kicks. So I dont believe this is an issue. Also taking your stats from 12-13 weeks of skimmed gametime to base an opinion on is abit unrealistic imo as there are other variables in the game to take into account, ie players attributes fk taking long shots, composure, preffered moves etc.. and players preffered moves to shoot with power also the morale of the player. If his morale is low he may not score as many and as you say you have skimmed through 12 -13 weeks I dont think you have managed this in the detail required to get a realistic result. Take your advice from seasonsed players before you decide to quit as you will be making a mistake. However to say SI have not addressed this issue is incorrect as there are posters on here as well who see this isnt an issue but if you wish to quit because you think it is you are quitting for the wrong reasons. Your wrong mate, I had multiple examples on FM2011 which was brought up in bug threads as well. The ratio is a long way below what it should be. Fair enough if your scoring a lot of freekick goals, but i'm not just referring to the human player, I'm referring to any full detail match. There is a huge difference between the stats for full detail matches and not full detail matches. This was something else I pointed out on FM2011, which was being 'looked into'. Here is a comparison between League 1 and League 2. League 1 on IFK's in full detail. and League 2 on IFK's not in full detail A huge difference, so it is important to refer to full detail leagues when posting stats. And in full detail, DFK's are being scored at under 50% the frequency of real life. BUG PROVED Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCAlex Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I have never had a problem with scoring free kicks with any team i have managed whether in a high or lower division and have seen some memorable goals from free kicks with lesser players. Although i do find some players with lower attribute value for this are better at freekicks than others who are technically "better" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Aren't statistics lovely. What I have not been able to ascertain from the figures Paul provided is whether the value is a ratio against gaols scored or whether it is against that particular action i.e 0.04 of goals are form direct freekicks or 0.04 of direct freekicks result in a goal, I assume it is the former. One area appears to be missing from the set-piece sub-set & I think it should be included, goals from long throws. Interesting to see that in a number of the key areas my current team appears to put in above average performances yet we are currently occupying a relegation spot, damn game. The unassisted goal appears to be a thing of the past, damn lazy forwards expecting everyone to do the work for them. English Premier Division --------------- Goals per match 2.67 Assists per match 2.33 npower Championship --------------- Goals per match 2.79 Assists per match 2.49 Serie A --------------- Goals per match 2.35 Assists per match 2.11 Italian Serie B --------------- Goals per match 2.62 Assists per match 2.36 LIGA BBVA --------------- Goals per match 3.12 Assists per match 2.78 LIGA adelante --------------- Goals per match 2.86 Assists per match 2.51 European Champions Cup --------------- Goals per match 2.54 Assists per match 2.33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 well last season Wigan scored the most direct free kicks in the prem league, 5. I dont know what you guys are expecting. Looking at those screen shots it wouldnt be too far off at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 well last season Wigan scored the most direct free kicks in the prem league, 5. I dont know what you guys are expecting. Looking at those screen shots it wouldnt be too far off at the end of the season. How did you work that one out? The last poster has put a screenshot with only 4 dfk's being scored in the whole league in half a season. Thats 1 each for four teams with 16 teams not even scoring one. If it kept to that ratio then how is a team going to get even near to 5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Who says it stays at that exact ratio? Things change in football, who's to say one of the teams doesnt come up against a team without a senior goal keeper fit and score 4 free kicks, thats the beauty of football. These things need to be looked at over a much longer period than a few months. Would you have seriously thought Wigan scored the most freekicks last season? If that happened in FM and the top number was 5 scored by the team 4th bottom would you be on here saying something needs to be done? would it also ease your mind to know Wigan had only scored 2 before xmas of last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperlz Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 yeh you make a good point actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 My biggest issue with direct free kicks on FM11 is I used to constantly put them in from 35+ yards out on an angle, but never from closer to the box and more central. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The issue with Direct Free Kicks in FM11(and 12?) is not the statistical output of goals per match. I am sure SI has tuned that to a relatively realistic number. The issue is rather that a player with 20 in Free Kick Taking is just as likely as scoring as a player with 1 in that attribute. It isn't the attribute that decides the likelyhood of scoring on a free kick at all, apparently. Rather, the team form, player form, Determination, Technique, Flair seems to be more relevant, but not as relevant as "Shoots Free Kicks With Power" PPM. Without it, scoring on direct free kicks from 20meters or less seems to be almost impossible. There is another issue with free kicks, and that is the Indirect Free Kicks happening rather centrally on the pitch. Somehow, the entire team is moved up waiting for a cross, but the free kick taker decides to pass the ball to the nearest teammate (who is often unaware that he is being passed to), who loses the ball to an opponent that is one-on-one with the keeper. The closest thing I can compare this to is the infamous surreal goal animations in the old manager game The Manager (all 22 running towards each other, only one gets the ball anyone?). Even more annoying are Indirect Free Kicks closer to the goal, where the designated free kick taker passes the ball to a random player (usually the least dangerous shooter on the team) who then in most cases passes the ball back to a defender or even the keeper, rather than shooting. Some dangerous counter-attacks may result from this too, as the guy standing next to the set piece taker seems as surprised at receiving the ball as I am. None of these issues has been dealt with in the FM12 Demo. Edit: not to mention that in the Demo, there seems to be an extreme amount of goals from corners and set pieces generally. I don't think the % chance of scoring on a set piece is the real issue. Rather, it seems to be an extraordinary amount of set pieces overall in the game. The reason for this, as per my observations, is the incredible amount of wild clearances in the match engine. Players performing well and with good morale and motivation decides that blasting the ball into the stands is the correct thing to do even when no opponents are nearby and unmarked teammates are just waiting to receive the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Who says it stays at that exact ratio? Things change in football, who's to say one of the teams doesnt come up against a team without a senior goal keeper fit and score 4 free kicks, thats the beauty of football. These things need to be looked at over a much longer period than a few months. Would you have seriously thought Wigan scored the most freekicks last season? If that happened in FM and the top number was 5 scored by the team 4th bottom would you be on here saying something needs to be done? would it also ease your mind to know Wigan had only scored 2 before xmas of last season? Well, none of the teams did that in that particular save, not even close - especially not Wigan... Checking stats then 36 goals were scored in Spain last season - in my save half way through there was a total of 8. Based on the stats that PaulC presented and calculating them out on the games I have seen/played - then the FM stats seem to lie under 50% of what is projected generally (which is quite far off). If you have any screenshots that suggests otherwise then please present them otherwise you are just slinging another post out there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The issue with Direct Free Kicks in FM11(and 12?) is not the statistical output of goals per match. I am sure SI has tuned that to a relatively realistic number. The issue is rather that a player with 20 in Free Kick Taking is just as likely as scoring as a player with 1 in that attribute. It isn't the attribute that decides the likelyhood of scoring on a free kick at all, apparently. Rather, the team form, player form, Determination, Technique, Flair seems to be more relevant, but not as relevant as "Shoots Free Kicks With Power" PPM. Without it, scoring on direct free kicks from 20meters or less seems to be almost impossible. Thats completely wrong, and to have worked this out you would have to go through thousands of players and stats and look at exactly how many attempts each player has had, not something i think you would have done. Your not understanding the role of the attribute before your making that conclusion. I have plenty of freekick scorers without that PPM in FM11, its a good one to have but not vital. Your really do sensationalize your points on here and massively over exaggerate things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Thats completely wrong, and to have worked this out you would have to go through thousands of players and stats and look at exactly how many attempts each player has had, not something i think you would have done. Your not understanding the role of the attribute before your making that conclusion. I have plenty of freekick scorers without that PPM in FM11, its a good one to have but not vital. Your really do sensationalize your points on here and massively over exaggerate things. The role of that attribute is the technical quality of it. The precision. Which is pretty important yes? I haven't gone through thousands of stats to figure that out. That is SIs job not mine. What I have done is observation, and my observation is that both Free Kick Taking and Long Shots have very little to do with who scores on free kicks and long shots, and I find that strange seeing that those who do score on long shots and free kicks in real life tends to be pretty good at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The role of that attribute is the technical quality of it. The precision. Which is pretty important yes? I haven't gone through thousands of stats to figure that out. That is SIs job not mine. What I have done is observation, and my observation is that both Free Kick Taking and Long Shots have very little to do with who scores on free kicks and long shots, and I find that strange seeing that those who do score on long shots and free kicks in real life tends to be pretty good at it. Would it interest you to know it took Ronaldo 78 attempts to score 4 free kicks last season? He has the almost best possible stats for free kicks in FM. Again if this was the case ingame people would moan. For your statement to hold any water you would have had to properly investigate things, your making claims as facts with nothing to back them up. Your right that is SI's job, which paul does, on a much larger scale than any of us would, if he is happy with the figures based on his research then who are we to argue with our extremely limited research? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well, none of the teams did that in that particular save, not even close - especially not Wigan...Checking stats then 36 goals were scored in Spain last season - in my save half way through there was a total of 8. Based on the stats that PaulC presented and calculating them out on the games I have seen/played - then the FM stats seem to lie under 50% of what is projected generally (which is quite far off). If you have any screenshots that suggests otherwise then please present them otherwise you are just slinging another post out there... Your comparing his soak tests to your 6 months of playing the game, its pointless. Do proper research if you think this is such a big problem and come back when the full game is released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loversleaper Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Your comparing his soak tests to your 6 months of playing the game, its pointless. Do proper research if you think this is such a big problem and come back when the full game is released. Not a single screenshot has suggested that the projected % of conversion is even close to real life stats. You can't be serious suggesting that you score 400% more goals from free kicks in the second half of the season... By the way, CR7 had 52 shots direct at goal from free kicks and scored 5 last season. So, who is it that is not doing proper research here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timkanu Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I remember SI saying last year that the free kicks in FM2011 were in fact broken, but they could not change anything in FM2011 because of the way the match engine ball physics works or something. But I remember seeing that they said they would be able to fix it for the next game i.e FM2012. It seems they have not been able to fix it. So we are stuck with it. It cannot be fixed with patches is what we were told last year. So i assume the same is true now.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted October 10, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted October 10, 2011 Its 0.04 free kick goals per match. So just under 1 in 20 matches. A half season of 190 matches should produce around 8 based on that. For the leagues producing 0.06 per match in our tests that would rise to 11 or 12. If there is a shortfall vs real life we'll definitely look to improve it in a future version, but I don't feel like its way out as things stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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