Nomis07 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Should we be forced to retire? I've read a few threads where people have goine 60+ years into the game and are still managing their clubs when aged 90 or fast approaching 100, and i'm not sure I like it. We could be told to step aside and move upstairs, then add another manager and start all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efils_god Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 would be realistic, but would be rubbish if you knew the game was finite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Gameplay/Realism discussion again anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 For me it's a tough one. In terms of realism then yes, you should need to retire at some point. In terms of fun, if you've played the same save for 60 seasons should you be forced to stop or be allowed to carry on playing. For me if you want realism you should just resign at a realistic age. If you want to carry on you should be able to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 would be realistic, but would be rubbish if you knew the game was finite the manager would be finite, rather than the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 Perhaps forced is the wrong word btw. I was thinking more along the lines of board interference e.g. at a certain age they come along and offer you a job upstairs. That way you can say yes or no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 If it was an optional thing, and you could refuse if you wished to carry on, then I'm all for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anagain Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You shouldn't need to stop your save. Maybe you could just hand the reins over to Mr Manager jnr. That might not be entirely within the bounds of realism, but it's closer than Mr Manager snr being 126. Saying that, if it's a game does it matter? I don't even know how some people get so far into the game. I'm not even in season four in my save and I've been playing 12 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckers4 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 i dont think you should be forced to retire or be moved upstairs. It is a game after all and you dont really want to put all the time and effort into a team to be told your too old. I think if people want realism than they can resign themselves and look over their career, if people want to carry on playing then they should be allowed to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Categorically no, the option is there to retire in the game if people want to use it, plus we don't know that by 2080 that healthcare will be so good that we'll all be living to 200 and working till we're like 180. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Urgh! I make a rare (nowadays) sojourn into GD forum and find Nomis07 causing trouble Personally I never play that far into a game so it wouldn't really concern me either way (I'm currently 12 seasons in at Scunthorpe and hoping now for quite a few more, but not 30-40 years more!). I don't like the idea of forcing a manager to retire though, just for the sake of it. The whole idea of me managing a football club needs me to "suspend my disbelief" to a certain extent anyway since I am essentially creating a fictional persona. Is it more realistic to allow you to create a new user once one has retired? That would definitely make you into some kind of God persona rather than the manager themselves! I'm someone who likes to keep managing 1 club throughout the whole game so even things like the board choosing not to offer you a new contract (very frequent for managers in FM08, hopefully toned down a bit in FM09) annoys me. Even worse, when a takeover occurs and you get booted out despite doing well. Things like that that force me out of a club spoil the gameplay hugely for me, even if they may add realism. I was gutted when Stockport sacked me in FM07 - I hadn't checked the board confidence page for a while so I had no idea they were even unhappy with me (we were 4th in the Championship mid-season ~12 years into the game, board expectations for us to win it were unrealistic given the teams who had come down from the Premiership). I'd been at the club ~10 years, taken them from League 2 to the Premiership (only 1 season there though) and had never finished outside the playoffs in my 3-4 seasons in the Championship...I added a new manager to take over, bt it wasn't the same after that That is a slightly different issue I know - getting sacked will always happen in that way, I just don't want that to be added to by other methods of enforced sacking/retirment or whatever else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACFergie86 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 haha, who plays the game until they are 100 anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 haha, who plays the game until they are 100 anyway? I have 1010101 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACFergie86 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 how many seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckers4 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 how do people find the time to play that many seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Perhaps, if you are forced to up sticks, a "son" of yours could be handed the reigns, and he could keep all the previous good relationships, but start with a one-step lower reputation, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM mad Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Who ever plays the game for that long needs to get a life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Who ever plays the game for that long needs to get a life Anyone who actually cares how long someone they've never met spends playing a game is more in need of a life imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 FM_mad for mod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase1982 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'm currently 69 years of age in my game and I got there by not watching each game in detail, but I've still been successful. I do think SI should ackowledge in game when a player reaches retirement age, but the option should definitely be there to allow forced retirements. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd want to stop managing my team when I reach 70, so if there was some way I could get the glory and recognition my 40 years at one club deserves without ending my reign at that one club, I'd be all for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I have a life. It's a virtual life where I manage Witton Albion for 100 seasons. I am happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manutdthereds Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 lol Amen to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Mebee FM should just implement death instead of "moving upstairs". You'd probably need a stairlift for that anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 And she's buying a stairlift to heaven... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Categorically no, the option is there to retire in the game if people want to use it, plus we don't know that by 2080 that healthcare will be so good that we'll all be living to 200 and working till we're like 180. Agreed. In the end it is a game, a game with much realism but still a game, if someone wants to manage at the age of 100 let them and what the Captain said, no one can know how healthcare will be 25+ years from now. For me it is no problem at all, I rarely have saves longer then 12 ~15 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 The option is already there to retire. If you don't find it realistic to go beyond 65 (or whatever) then retire, happy to carry on? Then don't retire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jptykes Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Who ever plays the game for that long needs to get a life I have a life. And a wife. And two kids. FM is my escape, my release from the grind of daily life. 3 or 4 hours play on a night gets me through the seasons in no time and has no impact on family or social life. Those who are too ready to judge others without knowing any facts should take a look at themselves tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jod123 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I have1010101 Don't you watch every match on full detail as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Not combined, the 100 seasons I did was on a previous version of FM, only just started watching full matches in 09 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'd hate it if I had to retire and start again with new stats etc. At the end of the day, its a game. Its unrealistic to be 100 and managing. Yes. Its unrealistic in the first place that 99.99% of the FM players get a job in Football Management anyway. So there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 It's safe to say that I have been put firmly in my place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeLikeFM Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 have a look at iajafer's thread in llm he has played a hundred seasons and has retired a few managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne\'o Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 may be when you got to 60 you didnt age any more.. may be in 100 years time there will be such a thing as super human's health food and pills that keep manager's young enough to manage untill they are 150 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 "We have cloned you successfully. Please take a brief stroll with our armed guards whilst we have your clone sign this contract." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeface Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 sounds like terminator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Horrible idea IMO. I still remember being absolutely gutted when I was forced to retire in CM96/97 after 25 years with various clubs which culminated in me taking over Gillingham when they got promoted into the football league and getting them promoted to the Premiership and just before my inaugural season in the promised land of the Premiership I was forced to retire. I'd never be in favour of having this in. If you don't like the unrealistic prospect of a 100 year old manager, simply retire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MH2k Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 In real life though there is no age you have to retire by, If a manager was fit and healthy and still a good manager whilst pushing 90 then why should he be forced to retire? Although i can't see this ever happening, but in reality i'm sure it's possible to manage til your over 100 Plus imagine reaching 60 winning everything bar one trophy then being forced to retire, you'd be gutted. Although by that amount of time on FM if you haven't won everything at least once you must be a bad manager or have realy bad luck in that competition! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevicus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 or not having some leagues loaded up, so unable to win "everything" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I wouldn't buy the game if you were forced to retire at a certain point. I played FM07 for 2 years and would have easily got that far if I'd stuck with one game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevicus Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 As stated, the retire option is there if you think your gettin too old to stay in the game! If i could get that far into the game i would jump for joy, second and third season is always my downfall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 At the end of the day, FM is a game. There is something called the retire option...and some people (like me) refuse to use it. If you should forced to retire in FM, I think FM should give us managerial wages in real money! Then maybe I will consider this option. Otherwise, no one can force me to retire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 If you should forced to retire in FM, I think FM should give us managerial wages in real money! You don't get yours in a standing order, every week :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 have a look at iajafer's thread in llm he has played a hundred seasons and has retired a few managers Isn't that against LLM rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If you find it so unrealistic then, A) Dont play till you get to 100years old B) Retire and add another manager, if you think you are too old The options are there for you to do it, nothing holding you back. No point adding a feature to force people to retire, there are some people out there that want to keep going with the one manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM mad Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 chopper99 - Anyone who actually cares how long someone they've never met spends playing a game is more in need of a life imo --------------------------- CaptainPlanet - I have a life. It's a virtual life where I manage Witton Albion for 100 seasons. I am happy. ------------ glamdring - Mebee FM should just implement death instead of "moving upstairs". You'd probably need a stairlift for that anyway! ----------------------- jptykes - I have a life. And a wife. And two kids. FM is my escape, my release from the grind of daily life. 3 or 4 hours play on a night gets me through the seasons in no time and has no impact on family or social life. Those who are too ready to judge others without knowing any facts should take a look at themselves tbh. -------- HAHAHAHAHAHA - It looks as though i have caught a big fish ere reel em in, reel em in. I have a life as well thanks, have a 9-5 Mon-fri job, play semi-pro footy on a sat. It's ok lads/ladettes (as some of u seem to be) keep spending your whole lives playing a 'game' remember a G.A.M.E. Credit Crunch must of hit some of the fm players as thats all they seem to be doing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serdar Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 One can always retire when they want. There is no need to force it plus in real life people do not retire from football management because the number in their birtyear is too low, it is mostly because either they are bored or unseccusful or sick then they retire with thier own wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlawrence00 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I am aiming for 50 seasons on my new game with Farsley. I would find the game unplayable if I knew that at a certain age I would have to retire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I've got to admit, I am liking this idea. If I got through, say, 45 seasons, and thought that the game had become unrealistic I would hate to just retire. You lose all of your stats, and all of your history. I do, however, like being given the option of a place on the board, for example. That is if you have done well enough, of course. When you get to 75 or a similar age, a pop up could appear asking you if you would like to retire from the game and take a place on the board. If you click yes, your manager retires, but he appears on the clubs Staff screen, as a Director or something similar. You then get the option to either create a new manager, start a new game or load a game. I made a thread about this around summer 08, didn't get as much attention as this though:eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus_steaua Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 nice one arsenal what about chairman?or is it already implemented in the game to be the chairman of your own team because I saw something or I though I saw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 nice one arsenal what about chairman?or is it already implemented in the game to be the chairman of your own team because I saw something or I though I saw No, not chairman. That would mean there is chance youcould be kicked off the game eventually if there was a takeover. Maybe a lifelong honoury president, like Elton John at Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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