[FM19] E19 - England to Level 19

[Dan BHTFC]

Second post updated, any issues then please let me know

[MikeyStephenson]

Just in case some of you aren't aware I am doing a logo pack to accompany Dans database file! Link here! For those of you who want to fully immerse yourselves!

[jcp1417]

why is there two FA Vase's?

[jwchriste]

3 hours ago, jcp1417 said:

why is there two FA Vase's?

There are two unique IDs for FA Vase in the database.  If I understand it correctly, the one under "Nation Rules - England" is ID# 100000085, which I assume would be the one the game would actually use.  I don't know if the other FA Vase (ID# 89022624) is messing anything up other than cosmetically.  Would it be safe to just delete it?  It does have History filled out though which 100000085 does not.

[Dan BHTFC]

Sorted, link updated

[Morham]

Is there going to be Southampton Saturday League Premier Division like there was on last years one

[Dan BHTFC]

2 hours ago, Morham said:

Is there going to be Southampton Saturday League Premier Division like there was on last years one

Probably not as already have 3 leagues feeding into the Hampshire League

[cbz1979]

Hi Dan, 

 

Superb work, Just wondering whether the staffordshire county league division 2 will be in level 13 or is that it now, only asking as im going to start a new game and that is the last league i need for all my local leagues to be complete

[Dan BHTFC]

1 hour ago, cbz1979 said:

Hi Dan, 

 

Superb work, Just wondering whether the staffordshire county league division 2 will be in level 13 or is that it now, only asking as im going to start a new game and that is the last league i need for all my local leagues to be complete

I'll start adding it tonight bud

[ZeakFM]

On 08/03/2019 at 08:20, phnompenhandy said:

Who're you managing? Is that the league with Marjon, where I used to teach courses?

The SI game isn't geared up for this level, so what I do is bring in my own restrictions. In this case, I simply wouldn't touch that money. I'd check in the team stats list the wage budgets of your league rivals and take one at or near the bottom to be my limit.

 

Another thing I do that I've never seen any LLaMas mention is with staffing. Even with the tiniest amateur pub team you're allowed to start off with a DoF, HoYD, assman, 2 coaches, reserve staff, youth staff, scouts and physios. That's unrealistic. What I've done is sign an assman whose secondary role is HoYD, a coach who doubles up as DoF and the youth manager who is our sole scout. Can't do that with a physio so I've advertised and it took until December to get one in.

I'm managing Millbridge FC...didn't see a Marjon in that league. I do hold some standard...i have few staff....and a lot of non-contracts.

[apollopovey]

Great stuff Dan. I think you said that was the last big tier? Hopefully it’ll get easier from now. Thank for putting in the TVPL also!

[cbz1979]

5 hours ago, Dan BHTFC said:

I'll start adding it tonight bud

 

Awesome thank you soooo much, cant wait to get cracking and play. 

[Dan BHTFC]

11 hours ago, cbz1979 said:

 

Awesome thank you soooo much, cant wait to get cracking and play. 

Second post updated

[funnylittlefrog]

Is there anything I can do to the fine to make regional first divisions start the season on Saturday 11th August rather than the following midweek? 

As I’m sure you’ll know some clubs have an FA Cup extra-preliminary round that day which seems to skew the start date for the league season for all level 8 clubs. 

It isn’t a game breaker by any means but I’d like to change it if I can.

[funnylittlefrog]

I’ve had a play around and rectified the above.

[Dan BHTFC]

4 hours ago, funnylittlefrog said:

I’ve had a play around and rectified the above.

At work so only just seen your comment, will change the start dates tonight and re-release.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Dan BHTFC

[funnylittlefrog]

It was a bit fiddly to do but I got there in the end. Another change I’ve made is to stop the extra-preliminary round pulling in level 8 clubs. In real life some do enter in that round, however whilst the file was also pulling in a handful of the same level 8 teams for every year of testing which is similarly unrealistic. In the absence of any knowledge to make having to play in that round completely dynamic (so dependent upon finishing low enough in the league) I decided instead to pull through extra teams from level 10 (all level 9 teams participate anyway. Not true to life but as I don’t intend to play below level 8 it suits me better to have the slight lack of realism lower down the ladder.

[funnylittlefrog]

I reversed the above change in the end as it messed around with entry rounds for national north/south teams. I’ll just have to suspend my disbelief at Coleshill Town starting a round earlier each year. Got the dates sorted, that was the main thing. I can get cracking with my Loughborough Dynamo save tomorrow evening now.

Edited March 12, 2019 by funnylittlefrog

[Pa FM]

Hi guys I’ve seen on here that some of ye have done a youth challenge how do ye go about doing it and how did ye get on thanks

Edited March 12, 2019 by Pa FM

[phnompenhandy]

33 minutes ago, Pa FM said:

Hi guys I’ve seen on here that some of ye have done a youth challenge how do ye go about doing it and how did ye get on thanks

It simply means you never buy or bring in any players to your club. You can only use the kids that come up in your youth intake.

It's my view that at this level, playing the game the regular way is far too easy - any chump can win the league year after year, so the youth challenge adds a significant level of difficulty. It's still the case, however, that if you start below about level 9, you'll still do very well but at least it won't be a walkover. I've just this minute finished my first season in a new save doing this and I won the title and promotion in the last 30 minutes of the season at level 12.

[Pa FM]

17 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

It simply means you never buy or bring in any players to your club. You can only use the kids that come up in your youth intake.

It's my view that at this level, playing the game the regular way is far too easy - any chump can win the league year after year, so the youth challenge adds a significant level of difficulty. It's still the case, however, that if you start below about level 9, you'll still do very well but at least it won't be a walkover. I've just this minute finished my first season in a new save doing this and I won the title and promotion in the last 30 minutes of the season at level 12.

Can I sign young players also if I add players to playable teams at the start do I get some youth players 

[phnompenhandy]

1 minute ago, Pa FM said:

Can I sign young players also if I add players to playable teams at the start do I get some youth players 

There are different ways to play it.

1. Start with 'add players' to get a squad of all ages. Use the squad but never bring in any more from outside. You can extend contracts.

2. Same as above but you can't extend contracts, so older players will be with you for the first season only.

3. Don't 'add players' and in your first pre-season bring in players aged 18 or below, then no more until intake day.

Depends on the level of difficulty you're going for. Unless you're joining one of the Challenges in their specialist forum, where you have to follow their rules, it's up to you!

[Pa FM]

35 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

There are different ways to play it.

1. Start with 'add players' to get a squad of all ages. Use the squad but never bring in any more from outside. You can extend contracts.

2. Same as above but you can't extend contracts, so older players will be with you for the first season only.

3. Don't 'add players' and in your first pre-season bring in players aged 18 or below, then no more until intake day.

Depends on the level of difficulty you're going for. Unless you're joining one of the Challenges in their specialist forum, where you have to follow their rules, it's up to you!

If I go with number 1 does my club have to be amateur or semi pro cheers mate your a great help

[phnompenhandy]

1 minute ago, Pa FM said:

If I go with number 1 does my club have to be amateur or semi pro cheers mate your a great help

Can do this with any club, even Premier League if you're mad enough. The lower you start, the easier it is, so generally, we all start either in Vanarama North/south if we play FM 'out of the box' or better with one of these editor databases. If you use Dan's work here, any level from about 9-13 would be a good place to start.

I'm not sure any of Dan's teams are amateur. It does make a key difference though. Players on amateur forms or non-contracts can leave at any time, and you can't replace them. Sometimes before intake day, I'm down to a full squad of 18 or fewer players. At least with semi-pro contracts you can keep your players. For me, the terror of losing your best players at a moment's notice adds to the fun!

[Pa FM]

16 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

Can do this with any club, even Premier League if you're mad enough. The lower you start, the easier it is, so generally, we all start either in Vanarama North/south if we play FM 'out of the box' or better with one of these editor databases. If you use Dan's work here, any level from about 9-13 would be a good place to start.

I'm not sure any of Dan's teams are amateur. It does make a key difference though. Players on amateur forms or non-contracts can leave at any time, and you can't replace them. Sometimes before intake day, I'm down to a full squad of 18 or fewer players. At least with semi-pro contracts you can keep your players. For me, the terror of losing your best players at a moment's notice adds to the fun!

Thanks man you’ve been a great help

[ZeakFM]

18 hours ago, Dan BHTFC said:

At work so only just seen your comment, will change the start dates tonight and re-release.

Anyway to get these changes added after you've started a save? Utilize the in-game editor or anything? 

[Malicious Penguin]

Any chance you could add the West Midlands (Regional) League Divisions One (L11) and Two (L12...) ?? 

[funnylittlefrog]

Can I ask are the earliest rounds of the FA Cup regionalised in this file as in real life? 

My Loughborough side have just drawn Royal Wootton Bassett in the preliminary round.

[Pompeyboyz]

19 hours ago, ZeakFM said:

Anyway to get these changes added after you've started a save? Utilize the in-game editor or anything? 

I do not believe the In-Game editor will be able to do this due to the effect it would have. 

[Howie8217]

Hey guys how are we all? Just thinking this time last year this file was out 🤪. But unfortunately this file not out yet 😢. Just wanted to say it is a shame fm18 file wouldn’t work (like previous files). I’m not sure if your doing the same for fm20 dan(hope u do 😊). If u do I’m guna wait till the file is out befor I get it. I paid £36 for FM19 and not played it yet lol. 

Hopefully this file will for on the next FM.

dan just want to say thanks for taking time in doing this. So so so so can’t wait for the release. I recon June the earliest it’ll be ready ...... not long lol

[x16gab]

Hey guys, does anyone no how I can edit the prize money in Level 13, I do it in advanced rules then save it and then I cant test it so I loose everything and cant play the file coz it not been verified, and thanks for the time and effort you've put in Dan cant wait till its finished.

[lionel messi]

3 minutes ago, x16gab said:

Hey guys, does anyone no how I can edit the prize money in Level 13, I do it in advanced rules then save it and then I cant test it so I loose everything and cant play the file coz it not been verified, and thanks for the time and effort you've put in Dan cant wait till its finished.

you need to veify the rules.

[x16gab]

How do I do that dude.

[lionel messi]

4 minutes ago, x16gab said:

How do I do that dude.

Under the rules tab, clcick on test rules and verify all levels

[Bigpole]

6 minutes ago, x16gab said:

How do I do that dude.

in add rules there's a clear option - test rules

[x16gab]

just done that but still coming up with loads of problems so do I fix them myself then.

 

[leamando]

Sorry if this isn't allowed but I have created a database similar to this but in Scotland. I have a current file released which goes down to level 17 (still more to be added) you can find this here. I've tested it with @Dan BHTFC 's England DB so if you wish you can use both

 

[phnompenhandy]

1 hour ago, leamando said:

Sorry if this isn't allowed but I have created a database similar to this but in Scotland. I have a current file released which goes down to level 17 (still more to be added) you can find this here. I've tested it with @Dan BHTFC 's England DB so if you wish you can use both

 

You should probably stick to your own thread. To be honest, it doesn't compare with Dan's work. Your leagues don't have levels included and you have 90 teams in your amateur league that aren't put into discrete divisions in the editor. I make it 12 levels altogether in that it takes 11 promotions to get from the lowest playable league to the top. I am using your earlier version of this but I had to do a lot of editing to make it compatible for a Journeyman career. I think if you put more care into it like Dan does, such as sorting out league and club reputations, it would be a great database.

[cbz1979]

Hi everyone, 

 

Just looking for a bit of advice, i am using the level 13 database but have created a league that consists of defunct teams who im bringing back to life. 

 

I want that one division to feed into the Staffordshire county league division 2. 

What is the best way for me to do this & ensure a relegation of 2 teams from the staffs county division 2 & a promotion from my new league? 

Hope this makes sense, i cant wait to get playing, Dans work is superb & this has reignited my FM passion. 

 

Any help/guidance is much appreciated

[MiguelEstevens]

hi,everyone. hi, dan. congrats for your job, once again. in the last fm versions iv been using your dbs about english leagues and i love it, as i am fan of yours and english football. hope you can end this db for fm 19 because im waiting to use it, to pick up a club from the lowest league and bring them to the top. im from portugal and a fan of bradford city.

[Pa FM]

What tactics are ye using in level 12 n how are ye doing with them I’m thinking plenty of men behind the ball n lump it forward 

[phnompenhandy]

9 minutes ago, Pa FM said:

What tactics are ye using in level 12 n how are ye doing with them I’m thinking plenty of men behind the ball n lump it forward 

That's how I usually start at this level, but I plan my tactics according to the strengths and weaknesses of my squad, comparable to the rest of the league. So I started at level 12 with a basic hoof-ball, but I've moved to a level 10 side who have slow lumbering defenders but are decent passers up the park. It all depends on what you've got, but one general rule I follow is KISS!

[ZeakFM]

41 minutes ago, Pa FM said:

What tactics are ye using in level 12 n how are ye doing with them I’m thinking plenty of men behind the ball n lump it forward 

I'm having pretty good luck with a 4-4-1-1 counter pressing tactic...you can dominate pretty easily in the lower divisions, so try not to gobble up all the decent players on cheap and use your youth players instead! 

[Loda]

Are there any loan limits, in terms of long-term loans & match-day limits, which apply below the VNN/VNS? 

I can't seem to find any info. for this, this low in the pyramid. Neither this or @lionel messi's mod. place any such limitations which means you could field a squad of loanees.

 

I've tried to fill out the squads at step 3 and I'm pretty sure I haven't come across any side which has more than 5 long-terms (that doesn't take into account the first half of the season though and potential long-term, 'half season loans' up to January. Just squads as they are now). Maybe this is coincidental and there aren't any limits but personally I'd be surprised and thought it was worth questioning.

 

[Dan BHTFC]

14 hours ago, Loda said:

Are there any loan limits, in terms of long-term loans & match-day limits, which apply below the VNN/VNS? 

I can't seem to find any info. for this, this low in the pyramid. Neither this or @lionel messi's mod. place any such limitations which means you could field a squad of loanees.

 

I've tried to fill out the squads at step 3 and I'm pretty sure I haven't come across any side which has more than 5 long-terms (that doesn't take into account the first half of the season though and potential long-term, 'half season loans' up to January. Just squads as they are now). Maybe this is coincidental and there aren't any limits but personally I'd be surprised and thought it was worth questioning.

 

You can have players on dual registration in Non-League if the club is in a different league, you can't really do this in the database so unlimited loans are the nearest thing 

[rufnek1980]

Not sure if this has been discussed but if I could do with a few opinions on what is the most realistic approach to transfers starting at level 13. As we are all probably aware you can easily fill your team with 40-year-old 5-star experience players or get 5-star players to easily walk the leagues until you go semi-pro/pro or hit the conference leagues but just wanted to get your thoughts as to what is the accepted approach? I understand that maybe following the youth challenge rules is probably the most realistic but I don't want to be that rigid, just up until I reach semi-pro really or maybe pro So do I only go for my own youth players and make no transfers? or should I only look for transfers within my current league as they are local cos I do know teams still do poach other players in the lower levels (or they did when I played Sunday league anyway as a 16 yr old)  Just need some opinions really as I don't want to feel I am cheating myself and want to keep as realistic as possible but not make it as rigid as the youth challenge either. just while I am an amateur team is what I am seeking guidance on regarding transfers?

By the way,  cheers Dan for all your hard graft on this database. I know many have said the same but hats off to you for bringing this to the community by adding depth to this already deep game. I appreciate all your hard work, frustrations and challenges you put into this and getting this DB to where it is in FM19 and FM's before. I certainly rely on you to produce this year after year as I wouldn't have the patience nor any idea where to start. Thank you 

[phnompenhandy]

^ It's the Youth Challenge for me, but other realistic options would be players from your league (in booting up a game, add players from the local leagues around you and a division or two above), or you could go through the laborious process of checking the hometown of every player the scout brings to your attention - if he's from within 50 miles of you, he's kosher (google maps helps here).

[rufnek1980]

14 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

^ It's the Youth Challenge for me, but other realistic options would be players from your league (in booting up a game, add players from the local leagues around you and a division or two above), or you could go through the laborious process of checking the hometown of every player the scout brings to your attention - if he's from within 50 miles of you, he's kosher (google maps helps here).

Ok cheers. Are you following the youth challenge to the letter? And are you doing the youth challenge until you complete the challenge or just following the rules for the lower levels to keep it realistic up until you hit the professional leagues? 

[phnompenhandy]

1 minute ago, rufnek1980 said:

Ok cheers. Are you following the youth challenge to the letter? And are you doing the youth challenge until you complete the challenge or just following the rules for the lower levels to keep it realistic up until you hit the professional leagues? 

I have always followed the Youth Academy Challenge 'to the letter'. I've never got far enough to turn full time, but my intention would be to maintain the philosophy even then. Right now I'm doing my first ever Journeyman save which means I don't stick around long enough to see my youths develop, so I've switched to a Director of Football challenge there. I find, which you've noted, that if you don't set yourself some proper restrictions, the game's far too easy at this level and guaranteed promotion year after year bores me.

[Dan BHTFC]

The way I play the database is either use my youth players or only sign players from local teams either 1 division above or as many below me