Rafalution Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 on Wisdom and Suso: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/br-wisdom-a-modern-full-back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daaaaave Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 somebody (jim boardman maybe) had a factoid last week that liverpool players are currently the captains of the england u-16, u-17, u-18 and u-20 teams. is this really true? if so, who are these kids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Henderson is under 21 captain atm. I think Coady is under 18's captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Jordan Rossiter was england u16's captain in the last game v Northern Ireland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I didn't realise Suarez has scored 27 in 60 for us. Not bad at all for somebody who's supposedly not a great finisher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 somebody (jim boardman maybe) had a factoid last week that liverpool players are currently the captains of the england u-16, u-17, u-18 and u-20 teams. is this really true? if so, who are these kids? Not to mention the full international team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonic Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I didn't realise Suarez has scored 27 in 60 for us. Not bad at all for somebody who's supposedly not a great finisher. I think the number of chances he fluffs (most created by himself admittedly) creates the perception his record is worse than it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 yep, though his conversion rate is still pretty terrible compared to other top forwards. yes he's fantastic, yes he's scored plenty, but pretty much everything goes through him, the team at times has all been about creating chances for him and getting him the ball, so while his goal record is good you could argue his presence negatively impacts other players' goal chances. obviously that's hardly his fault, and it seems something Rodgers has been trying to deal with fairly well, but I'd still like to see him out wide with a proper striker, or at least him take more on that role with Sterling/Assaidi/whoever playing the more creative channel running roles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonic Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The phrase/quote that comes to mind with Suarez is "a scorer of great goals, rather than a great goal scorer". Google has been no help in finding where that phrase originates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Nothing wrong with a 1 in 2 rate. People just complain too much. (incoming people whining about missing easy chances or scoring loads in easy games etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 there is nothing wrong with a 1 in 2 rate if you look at it incredibly simplistically and out of context of the way we play. conversion rate is a better indicator because when he is taking a chance that means someone else isn't. to expand, let's say we want 70 league goals, a good target to aim for if maybe a bit high. if Suarez plays every game and gets 1 in 2 that's 19, or 27% of the goals we need. if he is taking more than 27% of the chances we create but not getting more than 27% of the goals then it's an issue. obviously that's still quite simplistic, if his mere presence makes it easier for others to score from him dragging defenders away etc then that's an overall boost, but it just shows you can't just look at his goal rate and say it's good/bad other than on a very simplified level (which of course we do with transfer targets and the like anyway). we've all watched him week in and week out and know that his finishing has been damn poor at times, even with all the caveats of him creating most of his own chances. he's a fantastic enough player that we shouldn't need to try and argue any flaws away with a misuse of statistics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/rodgers-adds-morgans-to-team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 there is nothing wrong with a 1 in 2 rate if you look at it incredibly simplistically and out of context of the way we play. conversion rate is a better indicator because when he is taking a chance that means someone else isn't.to expand, let's say we want 70 league goals, a good target to aim for if maybe a bit high. if Suarez plays every game and gets 1 in 2 that's 19, or 27% of the goals we need. if he is taking more than 27% of the chances we create but not getting more than 27% of the goals then it's an issue. obviously that's still quite simplistic, if his mere presence makes it easier for others to score from him dragging defenders away etc then that's an overall boost, but it just shows you can't just look at his goal rate and say it's good/bad other than on a very simplified level (which of course we do with transfer targets and the like anyway). we've all watched him week in and week out and know that his finishing has been damn poor at times, even with all the caveats of him creating most of his own chances. he's a fantastic enough player that we shouldn't need to try and argue any flaws away with a misuse of statistics.I think the "everything goes through him" view isn't really true. I think other players are having plenty of chances as well and he's not hogging most of the good ones any more than other main strikers in other teams. Some Opta stats around shots per player per game would probably settle it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 of course, that's right, but he's very much the focal point, which isn't an issue in itself, but does mean he needs to be constantly performing. when he has an off game with his shooting we struggle. it was the same with Torres albeit a lot rarer that he had an off game on his shooting (at least early on, and obviously had a better conversion rate) i know last season we had the worst conversion rate in the league and Suarez' was below the team average. http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/liverpool-luis-suarez-conversion-rate-getting-worse.html that's from before Norwich game, so it'll have gone up a fair bit since then again, i'm not trying to criticise Suarez here, everyone is allowed some faults to their game, especially a player like him. but we need to look at how we can get better quality chances for him and making sure he has enough support so he doesn't need to try and shoot when he shouldnt be. think this has already happened a fair bit compared to last year, and im kinda expecting it not to be an issue by the end of the season. God I love Rodgers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Suso saying that he rejected Real to join us when Benitez was in charge. http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/liverpools-suso-rejected-big-money-real-madrid-move/ Today's rumours that Real are coming back in for him. End of that interview : “I have never thought about going anywhere else. I feel comfortable here and have no intention of ever leaving.” Which means he will sign a pre-contract agreement with Real in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 In Rafa we trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBurns Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Any thoughts for what our team will look like for tomorrow night? Thinking close to this: Jones; McLaughlin, Carragher, Coates, Enrique/Robinson; Henderson, Shelvey; Downing, Pacheco, Assaidi; Yesil/Morgan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 That german lad, started Vs WBA, cba looking up his name. Yesil, something like that, he might start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I hope Coates starts. Jones Wisdom Carragher Coates Johnson Suso Allen/Henderson/Shelvey Gerrard Borini Pacheco/Yesil Assaidi summit like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 No to Gerrard. One game a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Joe Cole to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBurns Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Don't think Gerrard will start, but I'd be tempted to have him on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 yeah imagine Shelvey will be in, with Henderson and Sahin or Allen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/rodgers-on-lfc-injury-latest Think Gerrard and/or Suarez will be in the XI or bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I didn't realise Suarez has scored 27 in 60 for us. Not bad at all for somebody who's supposedly not a great finisher. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel he score lots of goals in only a handful of games instead of spreading them out. The reason Ian Wright and RvP were so good for us was because they consistently scored in many games. A goal or two every game is worth a lot more than no goals for a few games and a couple hattricks in a roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel he score lots of goals in only a handful of games instead of spreading them out.The reason Ian Wright and RvP were so good for us was because they consistently scored in many games. A goal or two every game is worth a lot more than no goals for a few games and a couple hattricks in a roll. http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/1224 goals tab Not sure how accurate that is but it looks right, going from memory. Does blow your theory out of the water tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 To be fair that does say 10 of his 27 goals have come against Norwich and Stoke. That's quite a lot. Needs to spread the love a bit more and he knows that. Oh, and Stoke up next in the league isn't it? Throw your life savings on a Suarez goal then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Suarez is far more consistent and has far more to his game than the occasional sporadic performance against a ****** team. Ludicrous for anyone to suggest otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Just as well no one is saying that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 i think playing our more flair players would be best tonight, players that can beat the first man. i wouldnt mind seeing sterling, assaidi and suarez upfront and maybe even suso just behind suarez. suarez is ready made for european football for me, get him isolated 1v1 against a defender and he will destroy them all night. suso looks like he's already on luis' wavelength so i wouldnt mind seeing more of him aswell even though he's in and out, more games is what he needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Anybody have any idea how they think we'll do tonight? I know Udinese are struggling in the league but that obviously doesn't always tell the whole story as it's early days, and they finished third last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 i think i said it in here, i watched their play-off v braga and they were atrocious. they were at home too but totally lost the plot for about 30 mins and i mean totally lost the plot. it was like theyd never played football before in their lives. sure it was early in the season and theyve surely got better but i'd expect a comfortable win tonight if im honest. (famous last words notwithstanding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Just on way to game looking forward to seeing the youngsters and sitting in the kop the atmosphere should be good.i think we will win 2-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I suspect we might see a few more of the 'older' players tonight with us playing at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Bib theory: Jones, Johnson, Robinson, Coates, Carragher, Allen, Henderson, Shelvey, Downing, Borini, Assaidi. though its rumoured jones has took a knock so pepe's in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 that would make sense team wise. looks pretty strong too, really hope Hendo and Borini have good games, and Assaidi brings the skills. Hopefully also means that Suso and Wisdom might get a chance to play against Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Wanted super-Cole to start ahead of Downing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Don't think he would be fit enough to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 just wondering where the goals are gonna come from with that line up. doesnt say much about the front 3 when our best chance for a goal looks like shelvey, i really thought rodgers would try to keep up the good form with suarez and give him 60 mins or so. i reckon the assaidi/borini combo has potential though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Assaidi Borini and Shelvey offer enough I think. Gerrard, Suarez and Sahin will probably be on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Need to put some faith in Borini's ability to get goals for a while, otherwise we're writing him off very early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 That says to me that Suso and Sterling will start at the weekend. Which is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 except dirty dirty stoke might just pummel them every chance they get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemonic Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Wanted super-Cole to start ahead of Downing Just to prove there is a worse player than Downing at the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Downing? Ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Henderson summed himself up then. Rather than attacking the space he took the simple option. So frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 cmon stewie do us proud for once eh, hasnt start bad at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 get in!! beautiful \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Get in! Downing assist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard liege! Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Wonderful cross from Downing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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