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FM12: Under 21's With Fixed PA 160+ & -9's & 10's ***SPOILERS***


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Can someone please explain what the -8 and -9 is about? does this mean their stats decrease by 8 or 9? or does this mean they are 8 out of 10 or 9 out of 10? i am assuming ability is marked out of 200 and so 160 is good but not great....?

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Ox, Walker, Morisson, Mceachran, Wilshere, Smalling, Jones, Ismail, Wickham, Barkley, Robinson, Rodwell, Delph, Cleverley, Gibbs, Smithies all in the list - you didn't look hard enough.

Cheers ;) that was the point, pain to trawl through all them names wheres all English players in one list now :)

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Just stole this list from a hard working gent on FM base. Sorry if all of them are not correct

12.2 Database Changes

Karim Benzema, 180 > 182

Iker Casillas, 185 > 183

Neymar, 181 > 185

Mesut Ozil, 182 > 180

Wayne Rooney, 184 > 183

Wojciech Szczesny, -9 > 180

Thiago, -9 > 180

Yaya Toure, 172 > 180

Rene Adler, 175 > 172

Domenico Criscito, 172 > 170

Angel Di Maria, 171 > 174

Ganso, 180 > 175

Gervinho, 175 > 171

Joe Hart, 172 > 175

Gonzalo Higuain, 178 > 177

Phil Jones, 170 > 174

Vicente Kompany, 175 > 178

Toni Kroos, 175 > 178

Marcelo, 177 > 175

Nani, 170 > 174

Sergio Ramos, 168 > 171

Aaron Ramsey, -10 > 175

Bastian Schweinsteiger, 167 > 175

David Silva, 175 > 178

Robert Lewandowski, 153 > 170

Anderson, 168 > 164

Demba Ba, 157 > 161

Andy Carroll, 170 > 161

Ignazio Abate, 154 > 160

Sergio Asenjo, 160 > 162

Pierre Aubameyang, 145 > 160

Holger Badstuber, 160 > 162

Leighton Baines, 157 > 160

Marc Bartra, 160 > 165

Lars Bender, 160 > 163

Bruno Alves, 175 > 165

Michael Carrick, 162 > 160

Casemiro, 163 > 161

Tom Cleverley, 160 > 162

Fabio Coentrao, 172 > 164

Daniele De Rossi, 157 > 165

Dede, 162 > 168

Moussa Dembele, 155 > 160

Jonny Evans, 166 > 160

Jefferson Farfan, 163 > 162

Robbie Fowler, 170 > 165

Mario Gomez, 167 > 169

Yoann Gourcuff, 165 > 160

Javi Martinez, 166 > 165

Julio Baptista, 155 > 160

Sami Khedira, 162 > 160

Tim Krul, 155 > 169

Stephan Lichtsteiner, 152 > 164

Fernando Llorente, 169 > 168

Lucas Leiva, 162 > 165

Claudio Marchisio, 155 > 164

Jesus Navas, 175 > 165

Pepe, 172 > 167

Ivan Rakitic, 171 > 169

Marco Reus, 158 > 167

Micah Richards, 155 > 165

Jack Rodwell, 165 > 167

Oriol Romeu, -8 > 165

Giuseppe Rossi, 173 > 168

Roberto Soldado, 162 > 163

Darijo Srna, 160 > 161

Danny Welbeck, -8 > 168

Raul Albiol, 164 > 157

Joe Allen, 145 > 155

Ryan Babel, 157 > 159

Lucas Barrios, 156 > 153

Chris Brunt, 152 > 153

Jose Callejon, 157 > 156

Maroune Chamakh, 160 > 157

Fabricio Coloccini, 155 > 156

Mauro Formica, 165 > 150

Ben Foster, 155 > 153

Glen Johnson, 167 > 159

John Obi Mikel, 170 > 159

Danni Wilson, -8 > 150

Jordan Rhodes, 137 > 150

Charlie Adam, 152 > 145

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Quick question. What if a player was -9. Assistant coach keeps on saying the players progress has stalled due to severe lack of experience. Can his PA become less than 150? Or does -9 guarantee a 150+?

Secondly does PA change of players? For example at the beginning my scouts rate Luciano Figueroa pretty high (His PA is fairly good). But after 6 months the coaches rate him fairly good from quality player.

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His PA (Potential Ability) is guaranteed to be in the -9 range. His CA (Current Ability) is down to the training he receives. The PA of players does not change, but it is possible they do not reach their potential.

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Robbie Fowler that high....? wtf?

Isn't that his PA? If so, his CA will be much lower, he's old so he'll never reach it. His CA will probably never go up, just down.

Rooney 184 to 183...huh?

1 point difference means **** all really :D

what has lucas leiva done to deserve an increase?

He was awesome in the first half of the season before getting injured. Best defensive midfielder in the league imo, tiny bit ahead of Parker & Tiote.

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Chicharito's CA is 156 which is entirely fair when you look at the strikers who have similar CAs. He's only young so a PA of 175 isn't unreasonable. Plus consider the way the stats are distributed, most of his CA points go towards stats like finishing, composure, off the ball, pace and acceleration, which perfectly reflects how he is a great striker but not necessarily a great technical player.

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-9 Players

El Shaarawy - AC Milan

Christian Eriksen - Ajax

Ricardo Kishna - Ajax

Yaya Sanogo - Auxerre

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Arsenal

Francis Coquelin - Arsenal

Erik Lamela - AS Roma

Amato Ciciretti - AS Roma

Kurt Zouma - AS Saint Etienne

Iker Muniain - Athletic Bilbao

Facundo Ferreyra - Banfield

Andre Schurrle - Bayer Leverkusen

Bernd Leno - Bayer Leverkusen

Rodrigo - Benfica

Nelson Oliveira - Benfica

Roderick Miranda - Benfica

Muhammed Demirci - Besiktas

Jack Butland - Birmingham

Robbie Cotton - Blackburn

Lee Chung Yong - Bolton

Moritz Leitner - Borussia Dortmund

Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Borussia Moenchengladbach

Luis Guilherme - Botafogo

Erick Torres - Chivas

Carlos Fierro - Chivas

Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea

Romelu Lukaku - Chelsea

Thibaut Courtois - Chelsea

Tomas Kalas - Chelsea

Josh McEachran - Chelsea

Nathan Chalobah - Chelsea

Gael Kakuta - Chelsea

Nathan Ake - Chelsea

Giuseppe Prestia - Citta di Palermo

Andy Polo - Club Universitario de Deportes

Adryan - CR Flamengo

Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow

Georgy Schennikov - CSKA Moscow

Romario - EC Vitoria

Fabian Himchinschi - Empoli

Ross Barkley - Everton

Marc Muniesa - FC Barcelona

Sergi Roberto - FC Barcelona

Sergi Samper - FC Barcelona

Rafinha - FC Barcelona

Gerard Deulofeu - FC Barcelona

Jean-Marie Dongou - FC Barcelona

Luc Castaignos - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Crisetig - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Tassi - FC Internazionale

Xherdan Shaqiri - FC Basel

David Alaba - FC Bayern Munchen

Emre Can - FC Bayern Munchen

Kyriakos Papadopoulos - FC Schalke 04

Julian Draxler - FC Schalke 04

Tomas Podstawski - FC Porto

Juan Iturbe - FC Porto

Tony Trindade de Vilhena - Feyenoord

Anass Achahbar - Feyenoord

Diego Polenta - Genoa

Pablo Sarabia - Getafe

Mateo Kovacic - GNK Dinamo

Gokhan Tore - Hamburg

Son Heung-Min - Hamburg

Paulo Dybala - Instituto Atletico Central Cordoba

Laurentiu Branescu - Juventus

Lacina Traore - Kuban Krasnodar

Esteban Andrada - Lanus

Jack Robinson - Liverpool

Raheem Sterling - Liverpool

Isco - Malaga

Juanmi - Malaga

Dedryck Boyata - Man City

Karim Rekik - Man City

Denis Suarez - Man City

Paul Pogba - Man United

Fabio - Man United

Adam Campbell - Newcastle United

Clement Grenier - Lyon

Alexandre Lacazette - Lyon

Yassine Benzia - Lyon

Alphonse Areola - PSG

Abdallah Yaisien - PSG

Hervin Ongenda - PSG

Zakaria Labyad - PSV

Jese - Real Madrid

Raphael Varane - Real Madrid

Joel Valencia - Real Zaragoza

Alvaro Vadillo - Real Betis

Antoine Griezmann - Real Sociedad

Felipe Anderson - Santos

Luke Shaw - Southampton

Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague

Jano - Spartak Moscow

Tobias Figueiredo - Sporting

Bruma - Sporting

Tiago Ilori - Sporting

Lenny Nangis - Stade Malherbe Caen

Mbaye Niang - Stade Malherbe Caen

Wesley Said - Stade Rennais

Connor Wickham - Sunderland

Souleymane Coulibaly - Tottenham

Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim

Paco Alcacer - Valencia

Ravel Morrison - West Ham

Tolga Cigerci - Wolfsburg

Zeli Ismail - Wolves

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-9 Players

El Shaarawy - AC Milan

Christian Eriksen - Ajax

Ricardo Kishna - Ajax

Yaya Sanogo - Auxerre

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Arsenal

Francis Coquelin - Arsenal

Erik Lamela - AS Roma

Amato Ciciretti - AS Roma

Kurt Zouma - AS Saint Etienne

Iker Muniain - Athletic Bilbao

Facundo Ferreyra - Banfield

Andre Schurrle - Bayer Leverkusen

Bernd Leno - Bayer Leverkusen

Rodrigo - Benfica

Nelson Oliveira - Benfica

Roderick Miranda - Benfica

Muhammed Demirci - Besiktas

Jack Butland - Birmingham

Robbie Cotton - Blackburn

Lee Chung Yong - Bolton

Moritz Leitner - Borussia Dortmund

Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Borussia Moenchengladbach

Luis Guilherme - Botafogo

Erick Torres - Chivas

Carlos Fierro - Chivas

Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea

Romelu Lukaku - Chelsea

Thibaut Courtois - Chelsea

Tomas Kalas - Chelsea

Josh McEachran - Chelsea

Nathan Chalobah - Chelsea

Gael Kakuta - Chelsea

Nathan Ake - Chelsea

Giuseppe Prestia - Citta di Palermo

Andy Polo - Club Universitario de Deportes

Adryan - CR Flamengo

Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow

Georgy Schennikov - CSKA Moscow

Romario - EC Vitoria

Fabian Himchinschi - Empoli

Ross Barkley - Everton

Marc Muniesa - FC Barcelona

Sergi Roberto - FC Barcelona

Sergi Samper - FC Barcelona

Rafinha - FC Barcelona

Gerard Deulofeu - FC Barcelona

Jean-Marie Dongou - FC Barcelona

Luc Castaignos - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Crisetig - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Tassi - FC Internazionale

Xherdan Shaqiri - FC Basel

David Alaba - FC Bayern Munchen

Emre Can - FC Bayern Munchen

Kyriakos Papadopoulos - FC Schalke 04

Julian Draxler - FC Schalke 04

Tomas Podstawski - FC Porto

Juan Iturbe - FC Porto

Tony Trindade de Vilhena - Feyenoord

Anass Achahbar - Feyenoord

Diego Polenta - Genoa

Pablo Sarabia - Getafe

Mateo Kovacic - GNK Dinamo

Gokhan Tore - Hamburg

Son Heung-Min - Hamburg

Paulo Dybala - Instituto Atletico Central Cordoba

Laurentiu Branescu - Juventus

Lacina Traore - Kuban Krasnodar

Esteban Andrada - Lanus

Jack Robinson - Liverpool

Raheem Sterling - Liverpool

Isco - Malaga

Juanmi - Malaga

Dedryck Boyata - Man City

Karim Rekik - Man City

Denis Suarez - Man City

Paul Pogba - Man United

Fabio - Man United

Adam Campbell - Newcastle United

Clement Grenier - Lyon

Alexandre Lacazette - Lyon

Yassine Benzia - Lyon

Alphonse Areola - PSG

Abdallah Yaisien - PSG

Hervin Ongenda - PSG

Zakaria Labyad - PSV

Jese - Real Madrid

Raphael Varane - Real Madrid

Joel Valencia - Real Zaragoza

Alvaro Vadillo - Real Betis

Antoine Griezmann - Real Sociedad

Felipe Anderson - Santos

Luke Shaw - Southampton

Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague

Jano - Spartak Moscow

Tobias Figueiredo - Sporting

Bruma - Sporting

Tiago Ilori - Sporting

Lenny Nangis - Stade Malherbe Caen

Mbaye Niang - Stade Malherbe Caen

Wesley Said - Stade Rennais

Connor Wickham - Sunderland

Souleymane Coulibaly - Tottenham

Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim

Paco Alcacer - Valencia

Ravel Morrison - West Ham

Tolga Cigerci - Wolfsburg

Zeli Ismail - Wolves

Have these guys been turned to -9 in the update or always have been?

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Just noticed this, is Woj really 180? I mean he seems a good keeper but hardly 1 of the best in the world which is what that PA makes him.

Well no, it means he has the ability to become one of the best. There's no guarantee he will reach his PA.

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How the hell was this thread allowed to be ruined by stupid posters? I've just deleted 94 posts in this thread that had nothing to do with the shortlist of players and was discussing real football. If you want to talk real football to go to the football section. Lets stick to topic now or I'll be handing out a lot of warnings.

If anyone posts crap in here again, someone either PM me or hit the report button please :)

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-9 Players

El Shaarawy - AC Milan

Christian Eriksen - Ajax

Ricardo Kishna - Ajax

Yaya Sanogo - Auxerre

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Arsenal

Francis Coquelin - Arsenal

Erik Lamela - AS Roma

Amato Ciciretti - AS Roma

Kurt Zouma - AS Saint Etienne

Iker Muniain - Athletic Bilbao

Facundo Ferreyra - Banfield

Andre Schurrle - Bayer Leverkusen

Bernd Leno - Bayer Leverkusen

Rodrigo - Benfica

Nelson Oliveira - Benfica

Roderick Miranda - Benfica

Muhammed Demirci - Besiktas

Jack Butland - Birmingham

Robbie Cotton - Blackburn

Lee Chung Yong - Bolton

Moritz Leitner - Borussia Dortmund

Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Borussia Moenchengladbach

Luis Guilherme - Botafogo

Erick Torres - Chivas

Carlos Fierro - Chivas

Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea

Romelu Lukaku - Chelsea

Thibaut Courtois - Chelsea

Tomas Kalas - Chelsea

Josh McEachran - Chelsea

Nathan Chalobah - Chelsea

Gael Kakuta - Chelsea

Nathan Ake - Chelsea

Giuseppe Prestia - Citta di Palermo

Andy Polo - Club Universitario de Deportes

Adryan - CR Flamengo

Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow

Georgy Schennikov - CSKA Moscow

Romario - EC Vitoria

Fabian Himchinschi - Empoli

Ross Barkley - Everton

Marc Muniesa - FC Barcelona

Sergi Roberto - FC Barcelona

Sergi Samper - FC Barcelona

Rafinha - FC Barcelona

Gerard Deulofeu - FC Barcelona

Jean-Marie Dongou - FC Barcelona

Luc Castaignos - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Crisetig - FC Internazionale

Lorenzo Tassi - FC Internazionale

Xherdan Shaqiri - FC Basel

David Alaba - FC Bayern Munchen

Emre Can - FC Bayern Munchen

Kyriakos Papadopoulos - FC Schalke 04

Julian Draxler - FC Schalke 04

Tomas Podstawski - FC Porto

Juan Iturbe - FC Porto

Tony Trindade de Vilhena - Feyenoord

Anass Achahbar - Feyenoord

Diego Polenta - Genoa

Pablo Sarabia - Getafe

Mateo Kovacic - GNK Dinamo

Gokhan Tore - Hamburg

Son Heung-Min - Hamburg

Paulo Dybala - Instituto Atletico Central Cordoba

Laurentiu Branescu - Juventus

Lacina Traore - Kuban Krasnodar

Esteban Andrada - Lanus

Jack Robinson - Liverpool

Raheem Sterling - Liverpool

Isco - Malaga

Juanmi - Malaga

Dedryck Boyata - Man City

Karim Rekik - Man City

Denis Suarez - Man City

Paul Pogba - Man United

Fabio - Man United

Adam Campbell - Newcastle United

Clement Grenier - Lyon

Alexandre Lacazette - Lyon

Yassine Benzia - Lyon

Alphonse Areola - PSG

Abdallah Yaisien - PSG

Hervin Ongenda - PSG

Zakaria Labyad - PSV

Jese - Real Madrid

Raphael Varane - Real Madrid

Joel Valencia - Real Zaragoza

Alvaro Vadillo - Real Betis

Antoine Griezmann - Real Sociedad

Felipe Anderson - Santos

Luke Shaw - Southampton

Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague

Jano - Spartak Moscow

Tobias Figueiredo - Sporting

Bruma - Sporting

Tiago Ilori - Sporting

Lenny Nangis - Stade Malherbe Caen

Mbaye Niang - Stade Malherbe Caen

Wesley Said - Stade Rennais

Connor Wickham - Sunderland

Souleymane Coulibaly - Tottenham

Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim

Paco Alcacer - Valencia

Ravel Morrison - West Ham

Tolga Cigerci - Wolfsburg

Zeli Ismail - Wolves

This - businuess is confusing me here. If a player is -9, this means they have a random PA between a set amount, yes? but what is the difference between a player having a -9 or 182 PA? does it alter the rate that they improve or something?

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This - businuess is confusing me here. If a player is -9, this means they have a random PA between a set amount, yes? but what is the difference between a player having a -9 or 182 PA? does it alter the rate that they improve or something?

if a player has -9 PA then at the start of each save he has a fixed PA between 150 and 180. the difference between player X with -9 PA and player Y with 182 PA is that player X will have a different PA each save ( once 158, once 178 once 161 etc) and player Y will have the same 182 PA each save. the rate that they improve has nothing to do with this

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This - businuess is confusing me here. If a player is -9, this means they have a random PA between a set amount, yes? but what is the difference between a player having a -9 or 182 PA? does it alter the rate that they improve or something?

If a player has a -9 PA it means they have a chance of having a PA between 150-180 but the PA is a random number between that range.

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