BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2550/realism.png yeah, like that would EVER happen in real life. Utterly ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervynking Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Don't see much wrong with that, maybe not completely realistic but not exactly as outlandish as you seem to think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 yeah because a THIRTY ONE MILLION POUNDS signing on fee isn't outlandish? A agent fee of £18.75m isn't outlandish? Hate to think what you consider outlandish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylad Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 whats your point? its the opening gambit of an agent whos player is already on 210k a week how much did you negotiate it down to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon army 06 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2550/realism.pngyeah, like that would EVER happen in real life. Utterly ridiculous. get up to date the modern player will chance is luck of a mega wage any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNY1000000 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Don't see much wrong with that, maybe not completely realistic but not exactly as outlandish as you seem to think Are you crazy? £31m signing on fee and his agent wants £18.75m not to mention nearly half a million a week! Well stupid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 yeah because a THIRTY ONE MILLION POUNDS signing on fee isn't outlandish? A agent fee of £18.75m isn't outlandish?Hate to think what you consider outlandish Except for agent fee everything is okay IMO. He is only lsightly interested in signing for you, that's why he is asking for such wages etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 so £31m is fine for a signing on fee? I hate to think what you reckon wouldn't be okay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 get up to date the modern player will chance is luck of a mega wage any day of the week. wage, yeh but not the signing on fee and agent fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterWolf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 What did you get it down to though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 6.25m for both signing on fee, 205k for wages and he said no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bicycle Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 WOW that is just nuts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterWolf Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Its bad, but that sounds low if anything! I can easily imagine Ron saying to replace him they'd need 40m +, so a 30m signing on fee is a bargain. And knowing Real they would probably pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 When did Cristiano Ronaldo's Agent become English and black? Ronaldo's agent is a white Portuguese dude! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 I'm man utd, trying to sign him, he's transfer listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane_Byram Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Thats shocking what he has asked for. But if Yaya Toure can get 200 grand a month then CR7 definetly deserves more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bieritarier Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 A bit OTT but if you look closely he has only slight interest to join so the offer has to be about twice what he would be asking for to make it interesting. Given that he'll certainly go down quite a bit and makes big money already, you'd come to a realistic demand if he were interested. What makes it even worse is that his agent dislikes you - I agree that the effect that has needs to be toned down as we don't have the option to talk some sense into their clients (e.g. ask him to have a closer look at what their agent is actually doing...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 Have said several times that the wage is understandable, it's the ridiculous signing on fee/agent fee that I'm ****ed off about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sando123 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 thats just funny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bieritarier Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 wage, yeh but not the signing on fee and agent fee as said, the demand is very hight for 2 key reasons. But everyone seems to think that sign-on fees of 2-3 mill would be what megastars should ask for. In fact, Bayern Munich payed Sebastian Deisler roughly 10 million Euros signing on fee when he joined them, and that was about 10 years ago. Players make around twice the money now, superstars at least. I had him very interested in joining and his agent was neutral so I got him for 10.5 Million € a year and payed about 6 million agent and player sign-on fee. Not too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2550/realism.pngyeah, like that would EVER happen in real life. Utterly ridiculous. I know, Manchester United having a bid accepted for Ronaldo. It's 2013, so whilst I wouldn't be surprised about Ronaldo getting £250k or something (the first £100k players weren't that long ago), £475,000 is ridiculous, as is the agent fee and signing on fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 good to see the fanboys out in full force Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOleSolskjaer Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Love the fact hes asking for 475k pw and also a "match highest earner clause" who could possibly ever earn anymore than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArranoBeltza Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I think he's trying to say he doesn't want to sign for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKB Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 agreed. its completely stupid and unrealistic. anyone who thinks it isnt doesnt understand anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bieritarier Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 good to see the fanboys out in full force If you refer to me I have to disappoint you. I am critical of the game, especially impact of uncontrollable factors, I hate to see players moving for their transfer value (which has been toned down , especually for smaller reputation clubs I take it) and I do not think the system is perfect. This however is just a case of the game telling you that you try to sign a player who isn't really interested, so he'll ask for ridiculous things. Nothing wrong with that, but the feedback the game gives is not ideal. In my opinion the bubble at the top should say "My client isn't really interested in joining you so you'll have to pay way over the odds if you still want to stand a chance". If he'd be asking for more "realistic" values than what's the point of having player interest and Agent relationshops in the game in the first place. And I already said that the agent relationships has too much of an effect from my pov, especially as it is almost uncontrollable.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 As I have said from the outset - the agents are crazy. Add it to the list please SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwaz Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Look at the agents mini profile, It states that he dislikes you under the relationship part, might have something to do with it. Seems surprisingly high, however another reason is that he still has more than 2 years on his current deal you should just wait till he has less time left and see if demands go down! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgreenio Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 some people trying to justify this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If you refer to me I have to disappoint you. nah. it wasn't you specifically, rather the multiple people that are defending the indefensible. it's one thing to defend the game against unfair criticism, but to deny there is a problem with something as outlandish as this is laughable. I'm just glad I haven't wasted my money on the game tbh. am perfectly happy to carry on my longterm game on fm10 atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Even though I feel often what they will ask for is a bit on the high side there is nothing wrong with this screen on the basis of purely this screen. This is his opening offer, you expect that to be massively over what they would actually take. Its like if we can get the club to pay us this we're laughing all the way to the bank, the problem comes in when you can't negotiate it down to a more reasonable amount without the agent hating you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourcuff20 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Ok, I don't know why are you trying to explain this. Yes, he may still have some years of contract, he may be the best, his agent may dislike the manager, but 31 million pounds (pounds, not euro, that's roughly about 45 million euros - half of his transfer fee) for him and roughly 25 millions for the agent means you could get another key player for your team. He is asking for stupidly lots of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 haha 31 million signing on fee, he could just retire after that and be sorted for life. [fake a career ending injury or something]. So you have got 31 million signing on fee 19 million agent fee 48k every time he plays 48k every time he score's 2.4 million if he gets in the team of the year along with the 475k week. With the amount of goals Ronaldo gets and he usually always gets in the team of the year... this deal is going to cost you millions and millions. And that's without including your transfer fee, out of intrest how much did you offer for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOleSolskjaer Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 haha 31 million signing on fee, he could just retire after that and be sorted for life. [fake a career ending injury or something].So you have got 31 million signing on fee 19 million agent fee 48k every time he plays 48k every time he score's 2.4 million if he gets in the team of the year along with the 475k week. With the amount of goals Ronaldo gets and he usually always gets in the team of the year... this deal is going to cost you millions and millions. And that's without including your transfer fee, out of intrest how much did you offer for him? Im guessin he would of been tranfer listed by request and be available at £31.5m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorez Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 "Slightly interested" ie. he'll come if you pay through the nose, demands would probably be alot lower if he actually wanted the move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Did you try negotiating at all? Tuncay Sanli came asking me for £81,000 a week wages in his contract renewal, he ended up signing for a wage increase of £1,000 going from £40,000 to £41,000 per week. Some agents come with astronomical demands, another example was Thorgan Hazard, his agent requests £45,000 a week, he signed for £2,300 with a 15% yearly increase. If you don't negotiate you're just asking to be fleeced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bieritarier Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Ok, I don't know why are you trying to explain this. Yes, he may still have some years of contract, he may be the best, his agent may dislike the manager, but 31 million pounds (pounds, not euro, that's roughly about 45 million euros - half of his transfer fee) for him and roughly 25 millions for the agent means you could get another key player for your team. He is asking for stupidly lots of money. 1 pound = 1.5 € was a long time ago. In game, 10.5 m€ equal 9 m Pound... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyOleSolskjaer Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 BBB just out of interest how much wages is Ronaldo likely to ask for in your scout report (presuming you have a report) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIMN Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 It's also worth noting that the Agent dislikes you - therefore he is more inclined to much you about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 he usually always gets in the team of the year Is that usually or always, out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey_g Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 It's also worth noting that the Agent dislikes you - therefore he is more inclined to much you about. This was the first thing that struck me. To be sure, the deal they want is crazy, but the agent dislikes you, CR doesn't want to move, I think it's their way of saying 'not interested'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggo Vickers Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Don't know if anyones pointed out yet but the Agent dislikes you which is probably a big factor in the contract requests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlo116 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 even though the agent doesn't like him surely thats a bit too unprofessional? Its sems a bit ridiculous that an agent that doesn't like you can inflate things so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I think he's trying to say he doesn't want to sign for you. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Manchester City forked out around £13m in agent fees for the winter 2008 and summer 2009 transfer windows. There is absolutely no reason for an agent to demand such a stupid payment - even if he hates the manager. It simply doesn't fit the market. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8387561.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdiatmh Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 @charlo116 - why? if i hate you, then i'm not going to sell you FM12 for 25 pounds am i? the fact that i dislike you means that i would want to get as good of a deal as i can and then sell it to you at just above market rate, probably about 30pounds (the hassle of you going to the shops and buying it is alleviated by me already having a copy to sell) @x42bn6 - in 08 and 09, the UK was in a recession (and the economy was going NOWHERE but south), come 2013, the economy may be booming and people would want to have more fees to maximise their income (basic economics lesson there) further points: Chelsea signed him in season 2 on my game for 180k per week - the fact that he's already played for you and the natural dislike means that he's going to command more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 ^ why?if i hate you, then i'm not going to sell you FM12 for 25 pounds am i? the fact that i dislike you means that i would want to get as good of a deal as i can and then sell it to you at just above market rate, probably about 30pounds (the hassle of you going to the shops and buying it is alleviated by me already having a copy to sell) Don't be silly. Agents get paid on commission via a fee or proportion of the transfer. Therefore it makes sense for the agents to conduct business, and this means not scaring away clubs with obscene demands. You are not going to get any business if you charge miles over what is standard - will Ronaldo think you are acting in his best interests? Choice 1: Charge a stupid fee, annoy Ronaldo as you are being greedy and childish (even if Ronaldo doesn't want to move), every club becomes wary of dealing with you, you don't get any cuts of any future transfers Choice 2: Grit your teeth and charge the standard rate, although be a little more annoying where possible - Ronaldo doesn't get upset, and clubs will deal with you - meaning you get any future cuts I'll give you a hint - Choice 1 is the stupid choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 @x42bn6 - in 08 and 09, the UK was in a recession (and the economy was going NOWHERE but south), come 2013, the economy may be booming and people would want to have more fees to maximise their income (basic economics lesson there) 1) The economy is not built into the game 2) This still does not justify Ronaldo's agent asking for a fee greater to one-and-a-bit transfer windows worth of Manchester City money-fueled spending City spent around £150m in that same timescale. So you are looking at a 10% cut maximum for an agent fee. And unless BBB is offering £200m for Ronaldo, there is no reason why the agent should be asking for such a stupid cut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlo116 Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 @charlo116 - why?if i hate you, then i'm not going to sell you FM12 for 25 pounds am i? the fact that i dislike you means that i would want to get as good of a deal as i can and then sell it to you at just above market rate, probably about 30pounds (the hassle of you going to the shops and buying it is alleviated by me already having a copy to sell) i paid about $AU80 for fm11, which is around 50 pounds so 40 would be a bargain . But seriously an agent works for a player and if the agents bad relationship with a manager hurts the deal then surely the player would just sack the agent if they wanted to move but i haven't seen this in fm11. Sure Ronaldo's only slightly interested in moving anyway but even if you don't like a manager why ruin a potential deal that could earn you millions as an agent because you dislike someone. If they really are as greedy as they're made out to be why give ronaldo no chance of making a move that would earn him and his agent more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aytumious Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 All I see is an agent that hates you and a player that will only play for you if you give him an absurd contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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