Vermundr Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hey guys, I was just wondering if there are people silly enough like me to sign 33-4-5 old players who are a world-known name or at least you know them pretty well. I always seem to do that nevermind how expensive their wage is. The reason? - I spam them to become coaches and remain in the game because I don't want to live in a pure newgen/regen world How about you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I never sign players who are over 32. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerpuss Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I like to buy experienced players as tutors, they last longer in Italy too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Occaisionally I buy older players in the lower leagues, but only as a short term measure to cover a position I am short in. They never last more than one season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
looknohands Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Because anyone of quality that's under 35 years of age are rather difficult to sign to an MLS team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermundr Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 I like to buy experienced players as tutors, they last longer in Italy too. Why is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerpuss Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Why is that? The game is played at a slower pace and teams are generally much older than in most other European leagues. It might be down to better fitness practices extending players' careers. I don't know if that is the case in the game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutontown1991 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Yep I do sometimes, for the reason you mentioned about having them as coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masticator Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 when i first start at a club, i usually look to offload any over 30s and try to replace them with younger alternatives. mainly just so i can generate as much funds possible for the player straight away and im not lumbered with a bench warming, high earning bench-warmer. however, if i see world class 30+ players up for grabs who i think can improve my side i wont rule out bringing them in. experience can prove vital, espescially if your short on quality, funds and players in the lower leagues. after all, "many a fair tune is played on an old fiddle. espescially in an indian summer" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jops14 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If its a world class name, sometimes i bring them in, just so they are in my team, and i can say they have played for me. On my current game messi is 34, his physical stats are all around 11, yet i still want him in my team. Because he is Messi. Also they are great at developing young players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermundr Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 I'm glad I'm not alone then Tell me this though - how do you decide if the mentor is right for the student? Which stats/traits do you look up before deciding to start the tutoring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyewackett Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 As a tutor ideally, that's the reason for me now, unless it's.... "Come on, oh yes! It's famous player you've always liked, and regret to buy them. I have made so many foolish mistakes, sigining some veterans who were appalling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermundr Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 Something like an Oldie-Goldie vs Oldie-Crappy list from personal experience like.. Villa(34) Ribery(33) vs Berbatov(35), Ibrahimovic(35) from my current game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sando123 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 bought a few for the sake of it just because they are worth nothing and sometimes still play well and sometimes to tutor the youth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If you get them at around 31/32 they tend to still be a big enough name to increase your rep, still able to put in a shift as a first team palyer and are great at tutoring as well as going on to be staff. Any later than that it's a trade off against their wage demands, as some are just ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieWatson Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I like to have atleast 1 or 2 players 30+ in my team. It gives the youth a chance to learn how it's done from the experienced players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgerboys Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 i only have keepers over 30 with guest loanees from top clubs as back up. ido have penchant for older women, and i belive this contributes in some way to my dads army esque teams. avg age round 30. my money goes on good peak players, rest is old men! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksquare Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I only sign players over 28 if its a GK. Over 30 if its a backup or a good free transfer GK. And I tend to sell players over 30 again unless its a backup GK. Although in one of my saves Dzeko is 32 and still scoring about 30 goals a season and his wage demands are going down so I'm going to keep him as he wants to retire with the club and his contract runs out soon anyways. But he is the only exception I've made in a while. Otherwise I like to cash out on old players. I refuse to be Sir Alex Ferguson and keep players like Neville and Scholes on high wages that rarely play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saware Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I regularly sign older players, though only if I'm playing as a team with limited funds and a need for some experience. I like to develop younger players, however this takes time and when you're ambitious signing players between 28-32 can really help in providing a stop-gap solution. I must add that I can't recall ever paying a fee for anyone over 30, most of my captures are as free transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson84 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I like to sign the real R9 He usually does pretty good too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohkey Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 The regens/youth system is my favorite aspect of the game. I hardly ever sign a player over 24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermundr Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 I like to sign the real R9 He usually does pretty good too Do you succeed in making him stay in the game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I don't sign anyone older than 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Ah you ageists don't know what you're missing out on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polskaGOLA Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I do not like buying players I cannot make a profit on. I am like Wenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masticator Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 what? you have a face like a wrinkled prune?? ha ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky1989 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Usually only if I can't afford to sign a young player of the same quality. Although in my Newcastle game, I've signed Henry on a free at the age of 33, and he's made a promising start, also Eidur Gudjonnson, who's played ok so far as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fonz Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 In the lower-leagues, just because its great fun and it can be pretty effective. Its got harder to do as the games have got, well more realistic, but having an injury-plauged 37 year old Juninho running the Rushden and Diamond's midfield is quite a sight. Certain posistions aren't as affected by aging either; defensive midfielders, certain types of striker, so you can sign a 32 year old and get three or four good seasons out of him. Again more effective in the lower-leagues usually. Actually, another time I use them is if I've got promoted: you can usualy get a few proven older players at that level for decent money, maybe out of contract, which is reassurance to me if nothing else when compared to a squad who have by in large never played there before. Considering that happens quite a lot in real life as well, I always thought that is something that could be better reflected in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiggyDempsey Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I sign older players for tutoring, tutoring goes well, everyone loves me and makes motivating/keeping players easier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troneas Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 i always buy players under the age of 25 (26 at most). i usually go for young players (20-23) who will develop at my club. i will keep them if they are very good and still performing until their 31st year tops and then sell them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taytaz Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I never sign players who are over 32. I never pay transfer fees for these players but truth be told the only one ive ever signed was C.Ronaldo at 34 coming out of contract at Real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugen64 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 in the lower leagues I do it fairly often, especially at positions that might not require a lot of pace / acceleration / agility (like defensive midfielder, goalkeeper, 2nd striker, etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leumd Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I always have a check of their natural fitness - high stat tends to mean a prolonged career in my experience. For example, I've signed Grahame Alexander for my Falkirk team. He's 39, and still able to play two games a week and put in a pretty decent shift. I've also signed a 35yr old Ghana international who has simply been a rock at def midfield and certainly played an important part. It seems to me that the stat decline has been fixed - only those players who don't get played often seem to lose their stats quickly. I think this is the issue people most associate with older players - but I think its more a psychological thing. I imagine most experiences go like this - sign 30+ yr player, think "I'll use them sporadically as back up", no playing time = decrease in CA, decrease in CA = even less chance of a game, player ends up getting little playing time and manager ends up thinking older players are useless. I find they are less useful as backup, but very useful if you've got a position that needs filling (that's what she said). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeesterCat Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I think it depends on the player really. So I don't make hard and fast rules about not buying older players. I bought a 34 year Juliano Belletti as cover for RB, but he was so good, he claimed it as his own, played nearly every game of the season and finished with 7.20 average rating. It was the best 300k I've spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhtesem Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 i do this as a last resort. however sometimes they can be very useful. especially tecnichal player or good at set piece . for example david beckham. although he is very old. he can score from distance and free-kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcornell68 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 In the lower leagues older players are invaluable. They're dirt cheap for one thing. My promoted Cambridge side had 5 first choice players over 35. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterWolf Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Professionalism is generally regarded as the most important attribute in determining pace of youth development, so players whose personality description suggests that is high, ie Model Pro, Pro, Spirited, Resolute. If I could ever find a model citizen then I would pay anything at any age to sign him - think of the next batch of youth! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dar2000 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 The cheap price has got to be the main factor. You can pick up some top players in their mid 30's for a season or 2 and pay virtually nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastwood Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Not every player in the team needs his physical attributes. If I just like the player sometimes I will sign/keep him in for nostalgia. After a ten year career game, I ended up at Liverpool with Stevie G still there at 39 or something. Still had all his mentral attributes but was not good enough for Prem, but I still insisted on giving him his cameo role! Kalinichenko at 34 or so for his impact with freekicks. They lose physical attributes firstly so they most likely won't play ninety minutes but as a backup defender, or striker if they are a poacher type I see no problem if they are cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik86 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I try and keep most of my squad under 30 but sometimes if it is a world class name, they can still add to the squad. And they do become good tutors and coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackripper Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 i never buy anyone at that age but when i moved to Swansea in League 2 a 38 year old Alan Smith was essential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millwallrules Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I sign them for one reason experience, they know how to win games and can lead a side. At the moment George Boateng is the heart of my Hull side playing i think 41 games over the season, while Nick Barmby also plays a big part in things. Age isn't an issue for me, player quality is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 As said, crucial in the lower leagues. For me the main reason is the mental attributes. They're the most important category but at LL level most players have 1s or little more, so a couple of smart wrinklies makes all the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
speople Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Oldies are an ESSENTIAL buy in the lower divisions, particularly EC foreigners . They more or less easily have the best attributes, and if they remain more or less injury free, are the difference between just getting a promotion, or trying for an unbeaten season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 You can't beat a bit of experience. In my Villa save I had Petrov (Stiliyan (sp?)) playing 1st team to the age of 34 and he was my captain. Because I'm sentimental I kept him around in the reserves, midway through the following season we were strugglinmg for form. It was then I recalled the then 35 year old warhorse back to the first team, in a game we won and he scored... Sometimes the old ones really are the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darry Casey Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 yes but only the worlds best ones, like ronaldinho, Beckham, Ronaldo Luís Nazário, Bellamy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 yes but only the worlds best ones, like ronaldinho, Beckham, Ronaldo Luís Nazário, Bellamy Total rubbish. Not everyone manages Manchester United. Read what I and plenty others have written in this thread. Lower/Non-league managers don't bring in the Beckhams and Ronaldos. We bring in old warhorses who've never played league football but still do a sterling job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner86 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Total rubbish. Not everyone manages Manchester United.Read what I and plenty others have written in this thread. Lower/Non-league managers don't bring in the Beckhams and Ronaldos. We bring in old warhorses who've never played league football but still do a sterling job. Exactly... Every team needs different things from their older players. More often than not it's experience and leadership more than a big reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taytaz Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I prefer to actually have players in my squad of mature ages (around 35) but only if they've been with the club for many seasons after I signed them as a younger player. For example I kept Mamadou Sakho starting every game from his 20 yrs old until he was 35. He racked up so many appearances and his mental attributes made up for his rather lacking pace (he was still very strong at 35 however) I am unhappy actually payingfor older players, I prefer to let players become old at my club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roykela Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Oldies are an ESSENTIAL buy in the lower divisions, particularly EC foreigners . They more or less easily have the best attributes, and if they remain more or less injury free, are the difference between just getting a promotion, or trying for an unbeaten season. I can understand your point, but i've managed fine without signing oldies. I use the ones that are there at the club already, if they're good enough. But i don't sign any. Although i have to say that i've been managing in Brazil though. Don't know if it's a bit different there compared to other countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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