[FM19] E19 - England to Level 19

[Pompeyboyz]

4 hours ago, Dan BHTFC said:

Just a quick update, I've done down to Level 8 so far tonight and recreated the FA Trophy, tomorrow will be time to start Level 9, I will also add the leagues which will be in the database in the second post of this thread at some point too.

Did you look at doing the playoffs here or just make the league structure before tackling that beast

[Dan BHTFC]

4 hours ago, Pompeyboyz said:

Did you look at doing the playoffs here or just make the league structure before tackling that beast

Think I have the Play-Offs sorted

[Shiluu]

Just now, Dan BHTFC said:

Think I have the Play-Offs sorted

I can't wait till you get down to 10 So I can play as Redcar

Any chance when you get to 10? you can chuck that file up ;o?

Edited November 2, 2018 by Shiluu

[Pompeyboyz]

26 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said:

Think I have the Play-Offs sorted

Thats really awesome news 

[Dan BHTFC]

1 hour ago, Pompeyboyz said:

Thats really awesome news 

Is anyone else finding the game slow? Or is it just me?

 

Also, Level 9 now updated, now comes the fun part of editing....

Edited November 2, 2018 by Dan BHTFC

[Pompeyboyz]

1 hour ago, Dan BHTFC said:

Is anyone else finding the game slow? Or is it just me?

 

Also, Level 9 now updated, now comes the fun part of editing....

I've not had too many issues with slow game.  But as I generally play with a 50-75k player db I am used to a bit of lethargy

[Galeg]

3 hours ago, Dan BHTFC said:

Is anyone else finding the game slow? Or is it just me?

 

Also, Level 9 now updated, now comes the fun part of editing....

I've noticed the inbox seems slower to load than in past years, but everything else seems about the same for me.

[Joe Holmes]

Hi Everyone,

Will Level 10 be added over the weekend?

Kind Regards,

[jcp1417]

Is this only going to be released when all 22 levels are done?

[Dan BHTFC]

1 hour ago, Joe Holmes said:

Hi Everyone,

Will Level 10 be added over the weekend?

Kind Regards,

Won't have a lot of time over the next week because of my work schedule but will get it done ASAP

[Dan BHTFC]

Just now, jcp1417 said:

Is this only going to be released when all 22 levels are done?

I might bring out a Level 11 or 12 database

[jcp1417]

On the Steam workshop, there is a league update through level 10. At the risk of sounding unappreciative, would I lose anything by using that update instead of waiting for this one? I'm only enabling up to level 8 anyway. 

I don't really know what all gets changed and I do know that I loved your update last year. So do you know if anything will be different if I use the one available assuming I don't want to go past LV 8?

[Dan BHTFC]

3 minutes ago, jcp1417 said:

On the Steam workshop, there is a league update through level 10. At the risk of sounding unappreciative, would I lose anything by using that update instead of waiting for this one? I'm only enabling up to level 8 anyway. 

I don't really know what all gets changed and I do know that I loved your update last year. So do you know if anything will be different if I use the one available assuming I don't want to go past LV 8?

Depends on what they've done to the file, they might not have the league boundaries set which I had to put in for levels 7 and 8, once I get 9 and 10 sorted I can then work on the FA Cup then look at maybe releasing a file. It's always best to open the database in the editor and check these things before starting a save

[Pompeyboyz]

14 minutes ago, jcp1417 said:

On the Steam workshop, there is a league update through level 10. At the risk of sounding unappreciative, would I lose anything by using that update instead of waiting for this one? I'm only enabling up to level 8 anyway. 

I don't really know what all gets changed and I do know that I loved your update last year. So do you know if anything will be different if I use the one available assuming I don't want to go past LV 8?

There are quite a few doing down to level 8 to 10 but I think they look like low level creations without the fully accurate play offs

[lionel messi]

1 hour ago, jcp1417 said:

On the Steam workshop, there is a league update through level 10. At the risk of sounding unappreciative, would I lose anything by using that update instead of waiting for this one? I'm only enabling up to level 8 anyway. 

I don't really know what all gets changed and I do know that I loved your update last year. So do you know if anything will be different if I use the one available assuming I don't want to go past LV 8?

I seen that one too, there was a error when starting up the game, also level 10 was missing.

[lionel messi]

1 hour ago, Pompeyboyz said:

There are quite a few doing down to level 8 to 10 but I think they look like low level creations without the fully accurate play offs

talking of playoffs, does anyone know the correct rules of the playoffs

[AhMostyn]

15 minutes ago, lionel messi said:

talking of playoffs, does anyone know the correct rules of the playoffs

From regional premiers - each division: semi-finals 2nd v 5th, 3rd v 4th then final with winners making up a pot of 4 & the 2 with the best PPG over the season going up. (So 4 division winners + 2 best PPG playoff winners go up)

From regional first divs - same format, meaning 7 winners, of whom top 5 PPG go up (So 7 division winners + 5 best PPG playoff winners go up)

Seems a bit unfair that 2 teams at each level may win playoffs but not go up - but when has that bothered the FA? Suppose they view it as a transitional step to the properly organised pyramid

 

Trying to work out how to model this

Edited November 2, 2018 by AhMostyn

[lionel messi]

11 minutes ago, AhMostyn said:

From regional premiers - each division: semi-finals 2nd v 5th, 3rd v 4th then final with winners making up a pot of 4 & the 2 with the best PPG over the season going up. (So 4 division winners + 2 best PPG playoff winners go up)

From regional first divs - same format, meaning 7 winners, of whom top 5 PPG go up (So 7 division winners + 5 best PPG playoff winners go up)

Seems a bit unfair that 2 teams at each level may win playoffs but not go up - but when has that bothered the FA? Suppose they view it as a transitional step to the properly organised pyramid

 

Trying to work out how to model this

yes could be a bit of a nightmare

[Dan BHTFC]

37 minutes ago, lionel messi said:

yes could be a bit of a nightmare

I've done mine a bit differently, copied an idea by displaced_seagull

[jcp1417]

2 hours ago, lionel messi said:

I seen that one too, there was a error when starting up the game, also level 10 was missing.

What was the error?

[DementedHammer]

I've been working on some lower league NZ leagues (down to level 6 in my region). One thing that genuinely excites me is that, in FM 19,  where players are auto-generated,  there seems to be a much more noticeable difference in player abilities in lower reputation clubs and divisions .  In my NZ example, players in level 6 now seem to be noticeably weaker than players in level 4. In FM 2018, there was very little difference between the teams., all the way up to the 2nd tier.

It is an incredibly small sample size. But, if what I'm seeing is correct, it is going to make a level 22 save even more fun this time around.

Edited November 3, 2018 by DementedHammer

[Galeg]

1 hour ago, DementedHammer said:

I've been working on some lower league NZ leagues (down to level 6 in my region). One thing that genuinely excites me is that, in FM 19,  where players are auto-generated,  there seems to be a much more noticeable difference in player abilities in lower reputation clubs and divisions .  In my NZ example, players in level 6 now seem to be noticeably weaker than players in level 4. In FM 2018, there was very little difference between the teams., all the way up to the 2nd tier.

It is an incredibly small sample size. But, if what I'm seeing is correct, it is going to make a level 22 save even more fun this time around.

That would be fantastic!

[jcp1417]

So from what I'm seeing in the england file on the workshop is that the cup competitions are not right. for example, teams in the vanarama competing for the FA Vase

[gmilitao_scr]

12 horas atrás, Dan BHTFC disse:

I might bring out a Level 11 or 12 database

Great!! Waiting the release... nice work!

[Shiluu]

Was going to make a start on the level 10 one thats on steam workshop but from what i gather it''s not really complete so i'll just wait for yours.

[lionel messi]

22 hours ago, AhMostyn said:

From regional premiers - each division: semi-finals 2nd v 5th, 3rd v 4th then final with winners making up a pot of 4 & the 2 with the best PPG over the season going up. (So 4 division winners + 2 best PPG playoff winners go up)

From regional first divs - same format, meaning 7 winners, of whom top 5 PPG go up (So 7 division winners + 5 best PPG playoff winners go up)

Seems a bit unfair that 2 teams at each level may win playoffs but not go up - but when has that bothered the FA? Suppose they view it as a transitional step to the properly organised pyramid

 

Trying to work out how to model this

I was thinking of having it like this in my file because I don't know if you can have it like that in the editor.

16 teams in the playoffs overall, 4 from each regional division. Quarter Finals

8 winning teams from the quarter finals play the semi finals

4 winning teams from the semi finals play in the final with the 2 winning teams gaining promotion to national league north/south.

[Mathens]

7 minutes ago, lionel messi said:

I was thinking of having it like this in my file because I don't know if you can have it like that in the editor.

16 teams in the playoffs overall, 4 from each regional division. Quarter Finals

8 winning teams from the quarter finals play the semi finals

4 winning teams from the semi finals play in the final with the 2 winning teams gaining promotion to national league north/south.

Based off of the FA handbook it appears that this is how it is being done anyway. The higher PPG decides home field advantage, rather than placing you straight through as  AhMostyn suggested.

[AhMostyn]

4 hours ago, Mathens said:

Based off of the FA handbook it appears that this is how it is being done anyway. The higher PPG decides home field advantage, rather than placing you straight through as  AhMostyn suggested.

Apologies - I’d misinterpreted things for the regional premiers, so they’re a bit simpler to implement. The regional firsts look like still 5 from 7 based on overall PPG.

[Mathens]

4 minutes ago, AhMostyn said:

Apologies - I’d misinterpreted things for the regional premiers, so they’re a bit simpler to implement. The regional firsts look like still 5 from 7 based on overall PPG.

I would say so, that level will take some thinking to work out properly.

[lionel messi]

2 hours ago, AhMostyn said:

Apologies - I’d misinterpreted things for the regional premiers, so they’re a bit simpler to implement. The regional firsts look like still 5 from 7 based on overall PPG.

I have set it like this on my file on the regional 1st divisions

the winners of each division all get promoted, 7 in total.

teams placed 2nd-5th go into the playoffs 28 in total, a total of 5 promotion places available.

 

14 divisional champions from level 9 all getting promoted.

[Dan BHTFC]

And don't forget there will be an 8th league at Level 8 next season so it'll be a 1-2-4-8 from levels 5 to 8, noty sure if they are going to add 2 more County Premier leagues as 16 relegation places doesn't go into 14 promoted teams!

[Shiluu]

2 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said:

And don't forget there will be an 8th league at Level 8 next season so it'll be a 1-2-4-8 from levels 5 to 8, noty sure if they are going to add 2 more County Premier leagues as 16 relegation places doesn't go into 14 promoted teams!

wanted to once again say think you for using your time to set up this DB.

[toiletfootball]

44 minutes ago, Dan BHTFC said:

And don't forget there will be an 8th league at Level 8 next season so it'll be a 1-2-4-8 from levels 5 to 8, noty sure if they are going to add 2 more County Premier leagues as 16 relegation places doesn't go into 14 promoted teams!

Apparently the plan is indeed to add two more Level 9 leagues to create a 1-2-4-8-16 structure  http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jun/19/national-league-system-promotion-and-relegation-statement-190618

[Dan BHTFC]

1 minute ago, toiletfootball said:

Apparently the plan is indeed to add two more Level 9 leagues to create a 1-2-4-8-16 structure  http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jun/19/national-league-system-promotion-and-relegation-statement-190618

Theyn should've done this years ago, it's going to be a good system

[laBOMBA]

You're a legend mate! Looking forward to playing with your database as I do every year.

[Bluenose853]

Fantastic work once again Dan! Using your database is the only way to play FM for me. Really appreciate all your hard work in putting this together. Excited to get started once it is ready.

[Matteo3champions]

There will be also a release for a DB update with all the players?

[Dan BHTFC]

7 minutes ago, Matteo3champions said:

There will be also a release for a DB update with all the players?

No, I will not be adding players

[YOUNGSTEVE]

Dan

Have you decided yet which region you are going down the furthest with, & at what level, as it is hard to see which leagues go down to the furthest level now.

[Pompeyboyz]

10 minutes ago, Matteo3champions said:

There will be also a release for a DB update with all the players?

adding players is an impossible job at the lower levels due to the high turnover

[Dan BHTFC]

16 minutes ago, YOUNGSTEVE said:

Dan

Have you decided yet which region you are going down the furthest with, & at what level, as it is hard to see which leagues go down to the furthest level now.

I haven't looked down that far yet

[Ragin Cajun]

Ooh, I was puckered up seeing a post from Dan.  LOL.  Well, the Scotland viewers for my Rangers early release save will be happy..lol. 

[Robbles Quin ®™]

you can have both databases open at the same time, just rename editor.exe to editor19 and editor18.exe       you can't open by steam anymore but you can open from the folder.

[Dan BHTFC]

32 minutes ago, Azami_Nene said:

you can have both databases open at the same time, just rename editor.exe to editor19 and editor18.exe       you can't open by steam anymore but you can open from the folder.

Have just seen that, will look at it when I get home from work later tonight 

[lionel messi]

6 hours ago, Dan BHTFC said:

And don't forget there will be an 8th league at Level 8 next season so it'll be a 1-2-4-8 from levels 5 to 8, noty sure if they are going to add 2 more County Premier leagues as 16 relegation places doesn't go into 14 promoted teams!

Yes I heard about that, I have not set the additional league on my file

[Mathens]

Has anyone figured out how to replicate the 5 from 7 PPG used in Step 4 to 3. I would be happy to have a go at it if someone has the divisions set up already, as I am not overly familiar with the teams.  Hopefully it is possible.

[Dan BHTFC]

9 minutes ago, Mathens said:

Has anyone figured out how to replicate the 5 from 7 PPG used in Step 4 to 3. I would be happy to have a go at it if someone has the divisions set up already, as I am not overly familiar with the teams.  Hopefully it is possible.

I've just done mine so only 5 get promoted via the Play-Offs from Level 8 into 7

[lionel messi]

9 minutes ago, Mathens said:

Has anyone figured out how to replicate the 5 from 7 PPG used in Step 4 to 3. I would be happy to have a go at it if someone has the divisions set up already, as I am not overly familiar with the teams.  Hopefully it is possible.

I have not set it up like that on my file, I have made it so there is 28 teams in the playoffs, 4 from each division.

then made it so 5 teams gain promotion.

[lionel messi]

9 hours ago, toiletfootball said:

Apparently the plan is indeed to add two more Level 9 leagues to create a 1-2-4-8-16 structure  http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jun/19/national-league-system-promotion-and-relegation-statement-190618

this is not until 2020/21 though

[Dan BHTFC]

And British Airways FC become the first created club in the database!