sebsy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 It would be totally unacceptable to go in to next season with our forward options being Rooney, Martial and Rashford (and maybe Wilson, too). When you look back at some of the groups of players we've had up top it really is just astounding that these are our options now. Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Cole Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Forlan Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney, van Persie, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney isn't close to what he was at his best, Martial is obvious quality but has a lot more to come, Rashford has done well but it is still hard to say how he will do long term. It's so far from the standards we need at the minute. Ibrahimovic, even for a season would go a long way to improving it immensely, but then the following season he's probably off again, and Rooney is another year *******. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 It would be totally unacceptable to go in to next season with our forward options being Rooney, Martial and Rashford (and maybe Wilson, too).When you look back at some of the groups of players we've had up top it really is just astounding that these are our options now. Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Cole Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Forlan Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney, van Persie, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney isn't close to what he was at his best, Martial is obvious quality but has a lot more to come, Rashford has done well but it is still hard to say how he will do long term. It's so far from the standards we need at the minute. Ibrahimovic, even for a season would go a long way to improving it immensely, but then the following season he's probably off again, and Rooney is another year *******. Although for a lot of those if not all, we had 2 or even 3 up front. Do we have any other than 1 up front with LVGs system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 LvG system we sometimes have midfielders up front though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Manchester United value falls £400m during the season Manchester United's defeat at Tottenham left them four points off a top-four place Manchester United's value has fallen by more than £400m since the start of the season. United's share price on the New York stock exchange was $18.37 (£12.84) when they kicked off the season with a 1-0 win against Tottenham last August. Twenty four hours after the return fixture on Sunday, a 3-0 defeat at White Hart Lane, the share price had fallen by 25 per cent to $13.83 (£9.67). United's poor performances on the pitch have been reflected by falls in the share price and the value of the club. At the start of the season United's market capitalisation was £2bn. On Monday night it had fallen by £412m to £1.58bn. Defeat at Wolfsburg in December saw United eliminated from the Champions League Since Louis van Gaal started work as manager in the summer of 2014 almost a billion dollars has been wiped off the value of the club. On 22 July 2015, United had a market capitalisation of £2.23bn. On Monday night it was down £650m to £1.58bn. United's poor performance in this season's Champions League and problems qualifying for the next season's competition are having a significant impact on the share price. Dropping out of the Champions League after losing to Wolfsburg in December caused the share price to fall by five per cent to $17.82 (£12.45). It has continued to fall as United have struggled to secure a top-four finish in the Premier League. In February, the share price fell below the 2012 $14 (£9.78) flotation level for the first time. In the same month United announced a record quarterly profit of £18.6m. Off the pitch, business is booming and United are on course to overtake Real Madrid as the world's richest club. Louis van Gaal has one year still to run on his Old Trafford contract Commercial revenues have been rising thanks to a record £750m Adidas kit deal and new partnerships with companies such as Gulf Oil and 20th Century Fox. More riches are on the way with a lucrative new Premier League broadcasting deal starting next season. On the pitch, performances have fallen a long way below the standards set by Sir Alex Ferguson. United are four points away from a Champions League place with six games left to play this season. They also have an FA Cup quarter-final replay at West Ham United on Wednesday. Missing out on the Champions League for the second time in three seasons will cost the club at least £50m and increase the speculation surrounding the future of Van Gaal. The manager's three-year contract runs out in the summer of 2017. Wow. Absolutely mind blowing that we still have this idiot in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 When playing 1 up front its even more vital that that one player is world class. It's why he so often played two up, even world class players have bad games and it's less likely to happen to two at the same time than 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 LvG system we sometimes have midfielders up front though Or when he throws Fellaini up front, we have nobody! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Although for a lot of those if not all, we had 2 or even 3 up front. Do we have any other than 1 up front with LVGs system? This is my point although LvG doesn't seem to trust Martial up front anymore. Basically get LvG out and so many problems are solved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 LVG out, sign Ibra and Kane, play two up top. Sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Although for a lot of those if not all, we had 2 or even 3 up front. Do we have any other than 1 up front with LVGs system? No, but I would adjust slightly so two of the 4 would be capable of playing wide (so looking for a right sided one to compliment Martial, with Zlatan arriving) LVG out too followed by Rooney with Kane in. I'd settle for Jose and Zlatan though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Have to say I'm not sold on ibra just as I wasn't sold on Falcao, still think with a better system Rooney has a couple of good seasons left but I realise I'm in the minority here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 still think with a better system Rooney has a couple of good seasons left but I realise I'm in the minority here. Don't worry about it, most of us just don't have access to those kinds of drugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 No, I agree with that, although maybe he needs a strike partner. It would be nice to have two up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Higuain, Ibra, Ronaldo, Benzema, Aubameyang, Morata, Vardy , Kane, Lewandowski could all be moving this summer. Would take any of them but only 1 is certain to give us no more than 1 season. Almost all of them are out of our reach but their movements could start a merry go-round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Don't worry about it, most of us just don't have access to those kinds of drugs. I bloody wish...make my life a whole lot easier! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I like Morata but he is a great big-game player but he and Vardy are a little out of place on that list Would certainly take any of the others mind. The big issue with Rooney is he just physically can't do what he wants to do anymore. When he's in a good place physically he's capable of putting nice little run together but they never last long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 How old was Teddy Sheringham in 99? I'd hope if we have this circus for Ibra it's for more than 11 starts in all comps. It would be totally unacceptable to go in to next season with our forward options being Rooney, Martial and Rashford (and maybe Wilson, too).When you look back at some of the groups of players we've had up top it really is just astounding that these are our options now. Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Cole Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Forlan Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney, van Persie, Hernandez, Welbeck Rooney isn't close to what he was at his best, Martial is obvious quality but has a lot more to come, Rashford has done well but it is still hard to say how he will do long term. It's so far from the standards we need at the minute. Ibrahimovic, even for a season would go a long way to improving it immensely, but then the following season he's probably off again, and Rooney is another year *******. Although for a lot of those if not all, we had 2 or even 3 up front. Do we have any other than 1 up front with LVGs system? Yeah, bit much to throw McClair in with Cole and Ronaldo/Rooney in with Saha/Berbatov - even Rooney and Welbeck in with RvP given how that ended - when they often played in different positions to get enough games. Factor in Choccy's age and Saha's injuries and from what's left you've still got a number of instances of players not feeling like they got enough games, particularly up front. Plus you should really be including the likes of Mata and Depay based on the names you've listed. still think with a better system Rooney has a couple of good seasons left but I realise I'm in the minority here. Hardly a stretch given he scored seven goals (plus three assists) in the eight games before his injury, in a team that's scored only 39 goals in 32 league games this season. Read somewhere that this has been the longest injury spell of his career and he's still top scorer ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Higuain, Ibra, Ronaldo, Benzema, Aubameyang, Morata, Vardy , Kane, Lewandowski could all be moving this summer.Would take any of them but only 1 is certain to give us no more than 1 season. Almost all of them are out of our reach but their movements could start a merry go-round. its amazing that most of them could be on the move this summer, there will be some huge transfer fees this year probably see the record go Kane is the one I would want but he wont come to us now.....if any of them it would be Ibra/Ronnie due to the sponsors and shirt sales it would be fantastic to see CR7 back in a red shirt who knows what's going to happen as long as we don't get players in looking for a big final pay day just to appease sponsors/some fans would rather we get some younger raw talent with one or 2 quality established players for the first team it depends on who the manager will be too, so too many variables at this stage to make any calls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Man United move would be step down for Zlatan – Thiago Silva this quote.. yea.. looks like a step up to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I must have missed it when we strolled to the league title and got to the quarter finals of the CL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 and I must have missed it where we lost to City this season... o wait... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Can't exactly disagree with the statement, but it's a much stronger league at least, so he'll have real matches other than just the CL nights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 So, how do you think we will lose today? What a sick feeling. It's West fecking Ham, and I have no belief at all we'll beat them. With SAF in charge you could almost put your house on a proper reaction after a loss, but now..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 I get the feeling that we'll win tonight and save LvG his job (atleast for now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Massive game tonight, if we win I think we go on to win the cup. Which will most likely keep LVG in a job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Tbf Pan, it is away to West Ham, which is never an easy game. At home yes I'd be extremely disappointed not to win, but away is different. Hopefully we show some fight again. After the Tottenham game I'm starting to err more towards not being fussed if Mata were to go. But as always he could easily flourish in a better system under a different manager. As well as Rashford has done I think it would be the smart thing to remove him from the spotlight for a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 no Martial in the PFA award nominees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I get the feeling that we'll win tonight and save LvG his job (atleast for now). Yeah I agree. The LvG troll bus will continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 It's sad when we have to say we need to produce an upset in order to knock out West Ham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 De Gea Fosu-Mensah Smalling Blind Rojo Carrick Fellaini Lingard Herrera Martial Rashford Subs: Romero, Valencia, Young, Schneiderlin, Mata, Memphis, Rooney Carrick and Fellaini ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Why does Lingard keep starting... :/ Drop him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 HAHA Fellaini GTFO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Why does Lingard keep starting... :/ Drop him. He's probably the one who would always listen to LVG's ******** instructions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Why does Lingard keep starting... :/ Drop him. I wouldn't have an issue with that if he was playing on the right, which he hopefully will be tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Dropped Mata for Herrera. Good start, Fellaini in... nevermind. How Lingard is still getting starts is beyond me. Memphis must be thinking he's done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Lingard is a player who doesn't take risks and just does the basics to an average standard. LVG's style of player. Fellaini in for this match makes sense, in order to handle Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Well after seeing the team i think we are going to lose. He makes the same mistakes over and over. There is no need to rest people here. We have Villa next. Also is that a carrick - fellaini midfield 2? Its like he is daring the board to sack him and doing it on purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Meh Lingard's alright I guess. I might be the only guy here thinking he's okay starting a match, but would have Mata any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Lingard is a player who doesn't take risks and just does the basics to an average standard. LVG's style of player.Fellaini in for this match makes sense, in order to handle Carroll. Surely we would be better served with 6'4 Smalling sorting Carroll and a mobile combative Herrera-Schneiderlin combination. He couldn't have picked a less mobile duo if he tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Fellaini as DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Not sure how a Fellaini + Carrick midfield is going to work out, I'm a bit baffled at Schneiderlin getting so few starts (edit, by that I mean it's going to be crap). But I don't have a particular problem with Lingard starting. He's better than people give him credit for. Would like a better player on the right, but with our current options, Lingard's allright. Doubt we'll win, but LVG won't be fired until we technically can't qualify for the CL. People shouldn't expect anything else. Even then, I doubt he'll be fired until the season is done. Mutual agreement, yada yada yada, and some new guy comes one (hopefully not named Jose Stabinho). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 And that is one of the reasons I don;t want Fellaini anywhere near the team. Got a 3 on 2 and he passes to the marked player. ****ing idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Fellaini should score. Great chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Ooooof, useful there though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 West Ham just not marking him because they know he's ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 And that is one of the reasons I don;t want Fellaini anywhere near the team. Got a 3 on 2 and he passes to the marked player. ****ing idiot I preferred the earlier one. Beautiful chest control and turn, neat 1-2, then couldn't hit Herrera from 5 yards away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Use Fellaini as a AM and I think he is good imo. Doesn't happen much though as LvG doesn't like to play players in their decent positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Rojo really is an atrocious left back. Can't pass the ball and now was just left watching, stood way too far forward and infield, as West Ham's full back jogged forward. Surely swapping him and Blind would be a lot better...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Commentator talking about Sam Allardyce and the difference between him and Bilic. I think LvG is the Dutch Sam Allardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Rojo really is an atrocious left back. Can't pass the ball and now was just left watching, stood way too far forward and infield, as West Ham's full back jogged forward.Surely swapping him and Blind would be a lot better...? Add to that Rojo has been a liability for the last two games. Had a mare for both. Would make much more sense. Rojo a CB and Blind was great at left back last season. Failing that Ashley Young. Would create space for Martial as well when he goes forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Can we also take a moment to appreciate the ridiculously bad reffing that saw Carrick get a yellow card? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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