CaptainPlanet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He's blatantly going to be playing in the hole on Thursday. If he is still poor then the excuses of fitness, position etc are wearing very thin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Aye seems to be a fair few missing the point on this. It annoyed England enough for then to actually post about it on the twitter feed. Exactly, no issue with people slating him for his performances, but for requesting extra training? As you said, there was no need to spin it that way, sadly though that's just what our press do. And yet he'll still come back to Man Utd after a month off an overweight mess. Well yeah, because he'll have had a month off from training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He's blatantly going to be playing in the hole on Thursday. If he is still poor then the excuses of fitness, position etc are wearing very thin. He was always likely to be playing in the hole on Thursday, Roy himself has said that the Sterling played there vs Italy for a reason. Uruguay don't really have anyone playing the DM role so Rooney should have space to play in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno-Blood Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Would people be against Rooney going up front and pulling Sturridge out to the left, leaving Sterling in the hole? Mate at work mentioned it on Monday morning and I dismissed it immediately but the more I think about it, the more I realise that even in the number 9 role you see Sturridge dropping deep and pulling out into the channels which at times leaves the box empty. If you stick Rooney up top (who is lazy defensively) then we're likely to always have an option up there and you bring a player who works harder out onto the left where there is more defensive responsibility. Think he's played that role a bit for Liverpool quite well so it's an option. It won't happen, mind, but still worth considering for debate purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I heard that on the Times podcast and thought it a bad idea. The implication that you need a strong no. 9 to hold the line is correct, but this is not the solution. Rooney wanders about even more than Sturridge, and with less incisiveness. Rooney is not a no. 9 and never has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Rooney is not a no. 9 and never has been. uh what? His best seasons have been as a 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwoodrob Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 If I was managing him in FM I wouldn't want him playing no10 either as said he does not like tracking back,just like in the Euro's I'd still have Stirling no10 if theres going to be even more space in this game! If Roy picks Wayne to play in the middle he's under even more pressure to perform,if he does I hope he scores but just cant see it at the mo,i'll feel sorry for him if he does not,i think he should be dropped at this point and come on later as a sub,theres 2/3 yougsters waiting to come in! Will Chamberlain be fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 If I was managing him in FM I wouldn't want him playing no10 either as said he does not like tracking back,just like in the Euro'sI'd still have Stirling no10 if theres going to be even more space in this game! If Roy picks Wayne to play in the middle he's under even more pressure to perform,if he does I hope he scores but just cant see it at the mo,i'll feel sorry for him if he does not,i think he should be dropped at this point and come on later as a sub,theres 2/3 yougsters waiting to come in! Will Chamberlain be fit? Chamberlain isn't fit. Rooney is under pressure regardless of where he plays. In fact Rooney will be under pressure until he delivers. dropping him wouldn't change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 In theory everything about Rooney says he'd be a great number 10 but he just seems to get involved all over the place, he drifts wide, comes back sooooo deep and knowing how much Roy loves shape it doesn't help This is something that needs to be drummed into his skull though. It's ok to flit about there but you never know where he'll be one moment to the next and we end up with no support up top and things like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 In theory everything about Rooney says he'd be a great number 10 but he just seems to get involved all over the place, he drifts wide, comes back sooooo deep and knowing how much Roy loves shape it doesn't helpThis is something that needs to be drummed into his skull though. It's ok to flit about there but you never know where he'll be one moment to the next and we end up with no support up top and things like that It's the coming deep that annoys me most. drifting laterally is ok, providing someone attacks the space he creates (Henderson?) but he really doesn't need to drop as deep, unless again someone attacks that space. But that shouldn't happen that often Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Two things annoy me 1) his penchant for playing as a striker whilst in the 10 role 2) his crap defending whilst in the 10 role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dan Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 uh what? His best seasons have been as a 9 Well it depends what you mean by no. 9 I suppose, but he isn't an England no. 9, because he wanders about too much. If you have other players willing to make runs into striker positions, then fine, he could do it. But our movement and fluidity is probably the worst part of our attacking game so it won't work. When we need a no. 9 we need one in the Shearer/Drogba mould: available, strong, good technically, able to command the space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There's no way Sturridge is being moved or should he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 With regards to Rooney, i've always said his position should always be as a striker, a number 9 up front. That's where he's most effective and that's where he can use his godgiven talents the best. I don't understand the need for him to play deeper. He's not quick enough, decisive enough or clinical enough to play a deeper role. His natural movement, positioning and general feel of the game is brilliant, but technically he's more suited to be a striker. But then again Sturridge is awesome, and I wouldn't drop him so it's back to shoe-horning Rooney in. He can be effective as a no.10, we've seen that over the years but it's far from being his best position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 but a succession of club managers also don't play him as a number 9 and I can't see van Gaal deciding to do that either with his love of RvP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 but a succession of club managers also don't play him as a number 9 and I can't see van Gaal deciding to do that either with his love of RvP His versatility has hurt him more than helped because he's good enough to play in so many positions you get managers moving him about, doesn't help that Utd have had Tevez and RvP as well. He's definitely best as an out and out striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It's the way that other players, especially from abroad, think he's the danger man, that he's the star player. He's England's Messi to the rest of the world. It's not been helped that in the friendlies leading up to the World Cup we've looked to have better team balance after he's been subbed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'd play Rooney 10/Sturridge 9, I wouldn't be against Rooney upfront and Sturridge on the wing. If Rooney isn't a 9 or 10, put him on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 No it's not, they're right. We do have an obsession with Rooney, we have since 2003. If they're constantly being asked about Rooney in press conferences they're obviously going to mention him which brings up new reports and the circle continues.I'm actually quite surprised at the lack of criticism/focus being directed at Gerrard. Thought he was positionally poor against Italy, didn't make enough tackles and seemed to be off the pace. Of course he's captain so not droppable, but Henderson's energy is a complete contrast to his lethargy. Exactly, the pressure our fans/press put on at times is pathetic, it's a hinderance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'd play Rooney as one final chance, doesn't deliver then he should not even future for one minute vs Costa Rica. Really would be his last chance for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Exactly, the pressure our fans/press put on at times is pathetic, it's a hinderance. I'd play Rooney as one final chance, doesn't deliver then he should not even future for one minute vs Costa Rica. Really would be his last chance for me. talk about timing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 People have short memories, his England record has actually been pretty good since Euro 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hom3r Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Yeah, in qualification against teams that weren't good enough to qualify for a major tournament. He'll most likely become our record goalscorer as well but it doesn't mean anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 People have short memories, his England record has actually been pretty good since Euro 2012. I remember WC 2010. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm starting to feel sorry for Rooney tbh. I think he sometimes struggles with the mental side of the game and obviously this spotlight and pressure on him isn't going to help. Having said that if he's not performing, Roy has to take him off or drop him, but he won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I remember WC 2010. So do I, and it's not like he was the only player to not perform is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 So do I, and it's not like he was the only player to not perform is it? I also remember Euro 2012, and after missing the first two games because of his stupidity, he was shockingly bad after that. Still can't understand how Roy could leave him on for the full 120 against Italy when he was so bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 So do I, and it's not like he was the only player to not perform is it? No he wasn't but he's doing the same again this WC whilst a majority of others that flopped there have since been bombed off/not a starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'm starting to feel sorry for Rooney tbh. I think he sometimes struggles with the mental side of the game To be fair, Rooney struggles with the mental side of counting to ten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I also remember Euro 2012, and after missing the first two games because of his stupidity, he was shockingly bad after that.Still can't understand how Roy could leave him on for the full 120 against Italy when he was so bad. No he wasn't but he's doing the same again this WC whilst a majority of others that flopped there have since been bombed off/not a starter. I'd argue his performance the other day was better then the one in 2012 and I'd also say he's already done more this world cup then he did the last. I remember Alan Shearer going 2 years without any sort of goal for England , thank god some of you weren't around then as you'd have wanted him out the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There's nothing wrong with dropping Rooney if he doesn't perform vs Uruguay. We have some really good players capable of playing in whatever position he ends up in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There's nothing wrong with dropping Rooney if he doesn't perform vs Uruguay. We have some really good players capable of playing in whatever position he ends up in. Yeah this I agree with, I'm not saying he is undroppable at all. Just that England fans are a precious bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1983 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 There's nothing wrong with dropping Rooney if he doesn't perform vs Uruguay. We have some really good players capable of playing in whatever position he ends up in. If he has a stinker then sure drop him, but people are too eager to put all the faults on to a single person, it's getting boring tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The worst thing that can happen (From Rooney's perspective) is if he does nothing, gets replaced by someone like Barkley who then does something. Media will go nuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Let's be fair if Rooney doesn't perform against Uruguay we could well be out and then it doesn't matter whether he plays the last game. That's the type of pressure being put on him and he needs to handle it better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 We always need our scapegoat, what would we do without them!?? Beckham in 98, P.Neville in 2000, Seaman 2002, Becks got some more in 2004, Rooney 2006, Heskey 2010.... 2012 I don't remember any tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The worst thing that can happen (From Rooney's perspective) is if he does nothing, gets replaced by someone like Barkley who then does something. Media will go nuts. If that happens it'll be a good thing for everyone else. It'll clear up the 'should he, shouldn't he start' drama and we can move forward into the Costa Rica game focused on the game alone. Or Rooney can have a blinder. Either way, same result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I don't think the Rooney stuff is scapegoating, Gerrard, Lampard, Johnson have all had similar levels of criticism, Lampard has rightly been dropped to squad member, and Gerrard and Johnson just don't have any adequate replacements. The reason there's more focus on Rooney is because we do have other options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh yeah how could I forget the 'Fat Frank' abuse, England fans are pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I hate Rooney in #10 he always ends up coming alongside the DMC and hitting glory balls. Fed up of all this banter...WC 2022 we'll be a nice team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I'd play Rooney 10/Sturridge 9, I wouldn't be against Rooney upfront and Sturridge on the wing. If Rooney isn't a 9 or 10, put him on the bench. I just think Sturridge would be even more sulky and annoyed than Rooney to play out wide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh yeah how could I forget the 'Fat Frank' abuse, England fans are pathetic. I think even during the Ashley Cole abuse he was still voted player of the year by England fans so figure that one out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 We had one of the best full backs over the last 15 years and we just abused him constantly, great stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 We had one of the best full backs over the last 15 years and we just abused him constantly, great stuff! Amazing player and tbh I'd say Gary Neville during that time we had a very good team was one of the most under-rated right backs in world football. Yes, world football, there, I said it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 We had one of the best full backs over the last 15 years and we just abused him constantly, great stuff! He was abused more for his off the field behaviour because he was/is a total dick off the field, but on the field the fans loved him as they knew they'd be getting at least a 8/10 minimum, whilst Rooney can vary from 1/10 to 10/10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 well we don't know if he's a dick off the pitch or not, there's been what, one or two incidents in his career? One of those being some bants at the training ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 well we don't know if he's a dick off the pitch or not, there's been what, one or two incidents in his career? One of those being some bants at the training ground. Cheated on his wife. Don't get more of a dick then that for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 A pedophile could more a dick? A mass murderer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 He was abused more for his off the field behaviour because he was/is a total dick off the field, but on the field the fans loved him as they knew they'd be getting at least a 8/10 minimum, whilst Rooney can vary from 1/10 to 10/10. Loved him, yet abused him constantly at stadiums to help him. I was at Wembley a few times when England fans would boo only his name when they got read out for the starting line up, pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The hate Ashley got was weird as after 2010, he would get his name read out and be booed but then John Terry would get a cheer despite him also cheating on his wife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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