G-Man11 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Pretty amazing how Atletico could be League/CL double winners and yet have only a handful of players at the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Why would you drop Podolski from the German national team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Strongest Brazil squad since 2002 imo. Don't underestimate them.Germany: Manuel Neuer, Roman Weidenfeller and Ron-Robert Zieler. Durm, Boateng, Grosskreutz, Höwedes, Hummels, Jansen, Lahm, Mertesacker, Mustafi, Schmelzer. Lars Bender, Schweinsteiger, Draxler, Ginter, Goretzka, Götze, Hahn, Khedira, Kroos, Meyer, Thomas Müller, Ozil, Reus. Podolski, Schurrle, Klose, Volland. Strong. I'm actually not surprised Ter Stegen didn't make it. I'm actually mistified why Zieler is called up (again after making the Euro 2012 squad). Wouldn't Adler or Fahrmann be a better choice than him? Looking at the squad, Durm, Mustafi, Howedes, Goretzka, Meyer, Hahn, and surprisingly Bender might not make the cut. Matthias Ginter is a decent defender and he might be a surprise inclusion. Is Sven injured? I know Gundogan is though. Maximillian Arnold, what happened to him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EhvanHSV Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Adler's really, really not had a good season. I'd go for ter Stegen personally as third goalie, but Fahrmann's not a bad choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterUsernameHere Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Yes. 2nd best keeper in the league and heaps of experience. Great keeper but only short term. He'll be surpassed by Ter Stegen, Leno and co. by the next World Cup. Deserves to be 2nd choice. Fair enough, I must have just caught the wrong Dortmund games to see Weidenfeller in. I'm not a regular viewer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Claus Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I rate Kevin Trapp, not sure what's general opinion in Germany on him... anyway, why would anyone drop Höwedes, IMO he is Germany's best CB right after Mertesacker and Hummels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If Badustuber was fit, he'd be there ahead of Howedes tbf. I'd expect Ginter to be a shock inclusion since this is the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Why would you drop Podolski from the German national team? He's poor when the team needs to break down a side, which will happen a lot. Better options than him but he'll be included as Löw likes him. I rate Kevin Trapp, not sure what's general opinion in Germany on him... anyway, why would anyone drop Höwedes, IMO he is Germany's best CB right after Mertesacker and Hummels. Trapp a fine keeper but down the pecking order a bit. Leno (Hinrunde form) and Fährmann (Rückrunde form) have been the best imo. Höwedes has been injured for large parts of this season. He could be dropped depending on how he looks in training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Podolski always performs for Germany. Same way Klose does. Neither are particularly great for their club but for their country they're on another level most of the time. I expect Podolski will start most games with Klose coming off the bench when necessary (be surprised if Klose starts). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Klose's club form has been very prolific over most of his career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_rm Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Someone tell me why that Germany team's any better then the last few competitions. Khedira's not gonna be at his best, O_Ozil's whatever, I think Gotze's a myth, and there's no top class strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Someone tell me why that Germany team's any better then the last few competitions.Khedira's not gonna be at his best, O_Ozil's whatever, I think Gotze's a myth, and there's no top class strikers. You say that, but there's no denying Klose's record or pedigree. He doesn't get the exposure because he's not in the Champions League, but I'd take a striker with his international pedigree, who's proven it over years and years, over multiple tournaments, than some guy smashing goals in the Champions League but with no international pedigree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 aka Diego Costa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Germany: Manuel Neuer, Roman Weidenfeller and Ron-Robert Zieler. Durm, Boateng, Grosskreutz, Höwedes, Hummels, Jansen, Lahm, Mertesacker, Mustafi, Schmelzer. Lars Bender, Schweinsteiger, Draxler, Ginter, Goretzka, Götze, Hahn, Khedira, Kroos, Meyer, Thomas Müller, Ozil, Reus. Podolski, Schurrle, Klose, Volland. Strong. Out goes the young bucks Goretzka & Meyer, Mustafi (not that much difference in talent between him and Boateng & Höwedes, just experience), Durm & Khedira (unless Joachim is really desperate). If Sami gets cut then a DM would need get called up, although I doubt he'd bet cut Last cuts will be between experience (Poldi), some exp (Schurrle) & the young hot shots (Volland, Hahn, Draxler) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 aka Diego Costa A case in point ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Especially when you consider Costa is used to playing in such a different setup to most of the Spain side as well as having almost no game experience with them, could take him a while to get up to speed at the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Obviously one must remember Ozil, Khedira & Muller had less than 20 caps between them so two or three of the inexperienced Germans might be taken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 That "English" pronounciation of Neymar doesn't sound very authentic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Klose's club form has been very prolific over most of his career Not sure I agree. He's been very consistent but prolific isn't how I'd describe his club form. In a dominant Bayern Munchen side he scored on average once every three games. That's not a bad record but I don't think it's prolific. Definitely consistent though. His first two seasons at Lazio were solid (16 goals in both, 35 and 36 appearances respectively) but this season he's found the net only 8 times so I don't think he's massively reliable for goals, especially with his age... but, like I said, he always performs for Germany no matter the circumstances so he is worth taking if he is fit (which I believe he is so why not). 68 international goals says it all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Obviously one must remember Ozil, Khedira & Muller had less than 20 caps between them so two or three of the inexperienced Germans might be taken Wasn't 2010 Muller's first WC tournament where he ended up winning the golden boot? Young'uns won't be discounted just because they're young. That's not Jogi's style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 He's been injured most of the year with Lazio, so of course he's not going to have that many goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Someone tell me why that Germany team's any better then the last few competitions.Khedira's not gonna be at his best, O_Ozil's whatever, I think Gotze's a myth, and there's no top class strikers. So, what about the other players that they have (especially when you're naming Khedira when he might not even be making the cut)? Gotze probably won't even start for them as they've got Muller and Reus who are world class players and will, most likely, be operating on the wings.They might not have a top class striker but, as mentioned above, Klose knows how to get the job done at major tournaments and his track record at that level is exceptional. Oh and whoever's saying Klose's not prolific, he's pretty much averaged 1 in 2 for his whole career (bar two of his seasons at Bayern) and his international goalscoring record speaks for itself. As for the Germany side - Durm, Mustafi, Hahn, Meyer, Khedira, Draxler/Goretzka and probably Jansen is who I'd cut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 If you need goals, you play Klose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Klose ended up with the golden boot. Such a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 He's been injured most of the year with Lazio, so of course he's not going to have that many goals. He's played in only five games less than he played in his first season with Lazio. Goals this season in the league stands at 7 in 22. His first season he had 13 in 27. Injuries maybe play a part but he is playing games, clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 So, what about the other players that they have (especially when you're naming Khedira when he might not even be making the cut)? Gotze probably won't even start for them as they've got Muller and Reus who are world class players and will, most likely, be operating on the wings.They might not have a top class striker but, as mentioned above, Klose knows how to get the job done at major tournaments and his track record at that level is exceptional. Oh and whoever's saying Klose's not prolific, he's pretty much averaged 1 in 2 for his whole career (bar two of his seasons at Bayern) and his international goalscoring record speaks for itself. As for the Germany side - Durm, Mustafi, Hahn, Meyer, Khedira, Draxler/Goretzka and probably Jansen is who I'd cut. He averages two goals every five games. I'm not doubting the quality of Klose, he's one of my favourite players and always has been. He's a great striker, legendary almost. But I don't think he's what I'd call prolific to be honest, not at club level. Although I don't think anybody can doubt his international record. He's something else internationally. Fantastic asset to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Klose will start, Podolski won't imo. Reus is in the form of his life so is a certain starter, leaving Götze, Özil and Müller fighting for other spots behind Klose. Podolski and Schürrle next, I'd use Schürrle more. Both incredibly good on a quick break, as are most of the German attackers. I don't think Durm will be dropped. I did a piece on him last month and statically he's a better defender than both Schmelzer and Jansen. Not much of a surprise as both aren't amazing defensively. Jansen should be cut. Great going forward, poor defensively and still injured. I rate Durm pretty highly and seen the majority of games he's played. He deserves a chance and I think he'll get it. Löw is suffering from not giving players like Sorg, Jantschke and Jung a chance during qualifiers. If Lahm is injured the fullbacks look pretty iffy. Volland shouldn't, and won't get cut imo. He's named as the second striker, meaning Löw would need to use Götze, Müller or Reus as a forward for when Klose is rested/injured or subbed. Damn shame about Gomez being injured, even though he doesn't move, he sure can score goals. As with Lasogga, but he's a bit off leading the line just yet, and just as injury prone it seems. The Poland game on Tuesday will be great. No Dortmund or Bayern players and tonnes of youth. Average age of squad is 22, and 12 uncapped players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I thought Löw was looking to play this false nine nonsense, and drop Klose and play essentially four of those other guys you named (Özil, Müller et al.)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 PMLF can you keep the opening post updated with confirmed final 23's? I added them to the first post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 'O Globo' described the Brazilian national team squad for the World Cup as being 'pretty old but without much experience'. And they mentioned that Brazil never won a World Cup with such an old team (average age around 28 or so, similar to 2010, but far less experienced). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilSaint Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Will everything be ready in time though? I understand some stadiums are still partially under construction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Claus Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Someone tell me why that Germany team's any better then the last few competitions.Khedira's not gonna be at his best, O_Ozil's whatever, I think Gotze's a myth, and there's no top class strikers. In WC 2010 they had second-youngest team out of all countries and still managed to reach semis. Neuer, Schweinsteiger, Özil, Müller, Kroos, Khedira, Podolski are all 4 years older and 4 years more experienced. I expect them to do very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Will everything be ready in time though? I understand some stadiums are still partially under construction? The stadiums will be completed, hard to say if they will work as intended though. The infrastructure won't be ready though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Mexican squad: Goalkeepers: Jesús Corona (Cruz Azul), Guillermo Ochoa (Ajaccio), Alfredo Talavera (Toluca)Defenders: Rafael Márquez (León), Diego Reyes (Porto), Héctor Moreno (Espanyol), Paul Aguilar (América), Miguel Layún (América), Carlos Salcido (Tigres), Francisco Maza Rodríguez (América), Miguel Layún (América), Andrés Guardado (Bayer Leverkusen) Midfielders: José Juan Vázquez (León), Juan Carlos Medina (América), Héctor Herrera (Porto), Carlos Peña (León), Luis Montes (León), Marco Fabián (Cruz Azul), Isaac Brizuela (Toluca) Forwards: Oribe Peralta (Santos Laguna), Javier Hernández (Manchester United), Raúl Jiménez (América), Alan Pulido (Tigres), Giovani dos Santos (Villarreal) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 I posted in the Brazilian NT thread but it might be interesting for people here: How the 'national teams' of each state of Brazil could/would look like (via Globo Esporte): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Just realised there's 6 English-based Brazilians in their national team - is this the most number of English-based Brazilians to play at a World Cup? I also think it might be the first time there's been more based in England than based in any other nation of the same WC squad (but I'm just guessing here). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Just realised there's 6 English-based Brazilians in their national team - is this the most number of English-based Brazilians to play at a World Cup? I also think it might be the first time there's been more based in England than based in any other nation of the same WC squad (but I'm just guessing here). Yes, it's the highest number ever, Brazil had only two England-based players until 2010: Gilberto Silva and Gomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Interesting to find that out, actually! I was surprised to see Paulinho in there. I know Scolari likes him and he was fantastic at the Confederations Cup but he's had an indifferent season at Spurs and I didn't think he'd get into the side. The fact he's in but Sandro isn't, for example, confuses me a little because I think Sandro is far better. But Fernandinho is there so I'm pleased at that Is Fernandinho likely to find himself playing much at the WC? Or is he just a filler/squad player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Interesting to find that out, actually!I was surprised to see Paulinho in there. I know Scolari likes him and he was fantastic at the Confederations Cup but he's had an indifferent season at Spurs and I didn't think he'd get into the side. The fact he's in but Sandro isn't, for example, confuses me a little because I think Sandro is far better. But Fernandinho is there so I'm pleased at that Is Fernandinho likely to find himself playing much at the WC? Or is he just a filler/squad player? Club form is pretty irrelevant only a player is at the national team. Paulinho has done relatively well for Brazil and for Scolari (and any Brazilian national team manager), that's all that matters. As for Fernandinho, he will probably be a bench warmer but Scolari seems to have liked him a lot, I won't be surprised if he ends up in first team in Paulinho's place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaceCrusher Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Yago Picachu, Flávio Caça Rato and Marcos Gasolina should have been called up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Rio Grande do North have a GK called Messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Rio Grande do North have a GK called Messi His real name is boring though: Jamerson Michel da Costa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Why do so many come from São Paulo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Why do so many come from São Paulo? It's because the state of São Paulo is the most populous and the richest state of Brazil. The size of São Paulo's population and economy are similar to Argentina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Wouldn't it be super cool if instead of a single Brazilian national team, Brazil had 27 'state' national teams, just like there are England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland national teams rather than a UK national team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFan7 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 No, it would be quite stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 No, it would be quite stupid. Works for the UK and China. Rio vs São Paulo in the World Cup Quals or Copa América would be amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFan7 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Oh my mistake then I guess, 27 separate Brazilian national teams seems like a great idea after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catracho Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Vamos Honduras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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