hluraven Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Getting sick of players for no reason heading the ball out of play or into the middle of nowhere when they could/ should easily just control the ball when they aren't under pressure, It's been in FM since I can remember. Yes, that annoys me when I see it. Something I've been meaning to upload myself and will next time I get a glaring example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 again upload examples, but take heart! Match v1324 ----------- - Reverted one change from 1323 that was causing defensive issues - Fine tuned kick/header accuracy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 ok... Red cards, just counted 27 by the 27th december so that is nearly half a season, and already above the final total for the 2011/12 season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yeh, it looks like they are slightly too common on the basis of my save and yours. SI run big soak tests where they sim thousands of matches to look out for this kind of stuff, so perhaps our two are just exceptions and really overall it is balanced. However, possibly worth bringing to their attention just in case, but you would need to show more than 1 season's stats really. Also I would say going to Premier League > Team Stats > Red Cards, would be slightly easier to read, though ultimately it shows the same data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 and west ham Already have the record for worst team discipline with 81 yellows and 3 reds, in the season i am currently on no idea where the previous seasons info is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonleague Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yeh, it looks like they are slightly too common on the basis of my save and yours.SI run big soak tests where they sim thousands of matches to look out for this kind of stuff, so perhaps our two are just exceptions and really overall it is balanced. However, possibly worth bringing to their attention just in case, but you would need to show more than 1 season's stats really. Also I would say going to Premier League > Team Stats > Red Cards, would be slightly easier to read, though ultimately it shows the same data. Season 3, 10th Jan Number of Red Cards Premier League 27 Championship 51 League One 48 League Two 52 Season 2 there were a total of 49 Red Cards issued in the Premier League. Now for some real life stats... Real Life Premier League 2009/10 - 68 Red Cards 2010/11 - 65 Red Cards 2011/12 - 66 Red Cards 2012/Present - 23 Red Cards and counting This is where I got my information from: http://www.soccervista.com/cards-Premier_League-2009_2010-827652.html I too thought the red cards count was high but it seems quite clearly that it is not and if anything is slightly too few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I initially didn't think they were too high, but when I was in the process of explaining to scott mufc why I went to find some facts, and saw there were only 26 in the 2011-2012 season. just rechecked the source I used that told me there were 26 in the 2011-12 season, last updated 26th of November 2011. Bloody internet. I'm having a major off day today It does indeed seem like they are not too many at all... thanks for clarifying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'm assuming this is a bug in the ME? There's no reason why my quickest attacking player would slow down to allow the rest of the defenders to catch him up before he starts running again, is there? [video=youtube;QaN78uwFSK8] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You know what I'm going to say right oneunited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Mods, is it just me or are things getting even weirder on this forum? Just reached post #2686 on page 27 and it now shows two phantom pages (28 & 29 obviously). Also the "go to first new post" button only takes me to the top of the last page that actually contains posts! What gives? Cheers xxx ps it happens on the other feedback thread as well, just the one phantom page though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Mods, is it just me or are things getting even weirder on this forum? Just reached post #2686 on page 27 and it now shows two phantom pages (28 & 29 obviously). Also the "go to first new post" button only takes me to the top of the last page that actually contains posts! What gives?Cheers xxx ps it happens on the other feedback thread as well, just the one phantom page though. Lots and lots of posts being deleted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Issue with certain busy threads updating .... although I'm sure the vasts amount of garbage being deleted won't help the matter.. Nothing to worry about pigface... being seen to! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Lots and lots of posts being deleted. Thought it might be that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Something is still too overpowered about small clubs. I've started a new career with Chelsea and my only losses so far (in all competitions) have been to Norwich, Hull, and West Ham. I've either beaten or drawn with every bigger club I've played. In fact the matches where the odds are most in my favor seem the ones I am most likely to lose due to easy missed chances and opposing players just generally playing over their heads. I think "motivation" is the culprit here and really needs to be addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Something is still too overpowered about small clubs. I've started a new career with Chelsea and my only losses so far (in all competitions) have been to Norwich, Hull, and West Ham. I've either beaten or drawn with every bigger club I've played. In fact the matches where the odds are most in my favor seem the ones I am most likely to lose due to easy missed chances and opposing players just generally playing over their heads. I think "motivation" is the culprit here and really needs to be addressed. My players get anxious or nervous before half an hour is played if I haven't scored, when I am a huge favourite to win. Overconfidence only sets in once I have scored a couple. If I don't put a lot of pressure on the players, though, they won't run and quite frankly don't seem to give a damn. I don't attend the press conferences, though, so it is possible I could control this a bit better if I did, but in either case the game seems to be a bit unbalanced when it comes to professional, determined players who are focused and fine in big matches get jelly knees when facing underdogs. This may account for some of the problems people have with overpowered small teams. I think the effects of not scoring within half an hour when fighting overconfidence in the pre-match preparations should be tuned down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonleague Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I'm assuming this is a bug in the ME? There's no reason why my quickest attacking player would slow down to allow the rest of the defenders to catch him up before he starts running again, is there? [video=youtube;QaN78uwFSK8] Someone in the crowd shouted at him to pose for a picture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakaveliPT Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Very harsh.. if you spent a fraction of your time reading his posts (which you obv havent), you will see a majority of his threads give reasons to opinions in an adult and constructive way.Maybe some of his points i dont agree with but id certainly read what he has to say and discuss in a constructive discussion than listen to the personal attacks. Put your brain into gear before you post Funny quote "put your brain into gear" care to analyse your post? Deductions, as you have no idea what i have or not red, which i actually did, you are the one doing the personal attacks as all the comments i've made about him was the ammount of defensive comments he was doing about the ME. So you should take your own advice, as if my comment wasn't constructive as far as feedback, mate yours sure wasn't. Get off your high horse, put your brain into gear before you post instead of trying to talk people down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujigatame Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 My players get anxious or nervous before half an hour is played if I haven't scored, when I am a huge favourite to win. Overconfidence only sets in once I have scored a couple. If I don't put a lot of pressure on the players, though, they won't run and quite frankly don't seem to give a damn. I don't attend the press conferences, though, so it is possible I could control this a bit better if I did, but in either case the game seems to be a bit unbalanced when it comes to professional, determined players who are focused and fine in big matches get jelly knees when facing underdogs. This may account for some of the problems people have with overpowered small teams. I think the effects of not scoring within half an hour when fighting overconfidence in the pre-match preparations should be tuned down a bit. I think it's telling that Hull City put 4 past me in the league cup while no other team (including Arsenal and Man City) have put more than 2 past me. Playing a low-reputation team in a low-reputation competition is a recipe for your players to play absolutely terribly and get destroyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goat101010 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I would love nothing more than to score half the goals the AI does from crosses!!! ;-) really hate to say it but it could be your tactics. pretty much all of my goals from from crosses. could be that im in a league thats not so great or my main striker is 6ft3 but this is the first year ive been happy with my wingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Again... the AI works to the same rules as the human manager... no difference... just the AI is reacting better than you are to opposition tactics etc. So yes... it is his tactics... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You know what I'm going to say right oneunited? I was playing counter, but he is my attacking inside forward, so all he has to do is run. He has been running fine from corners breaking away, except for this game. There could be another aspect to my tactics that made him stutter, perhaps waiting for support, but I'm not sure it's that. Go on, surprise me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonleague Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I was playing counter, but he is my attacking inside forward, so all he has to do is run. He has been running fine from corners breaking away, except for this game. There could be another aspect to my tactics that made him stutter, perhaps waiting for support, but I'm not sure it's that.Go on, surprise me Even if this guy had instructions to HUB or RWB rarely, in real life given this situation he would no doubt sprint for goal. Those instructions would not be given to this player in this exact situation. This is where FM goes wrong, it takes instructions literally without the player being able to take the obvious action due to his instructions. FWIW, This guy has something like 17-18 pace so he would be off like Usan Bolt in this scenario! Like I said earlier, he stopped to have his picture taken, either that or he saw his wife kissing another man in the crowd! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You know what I'm going to say right oneunited? Alright, alright, I have another one for you. Ibrahimovic is a legend, a god, the best player to grace the pitch at Stadio Ennio Tardini, or a bug? [video=youtube;8uuanzg5NGY] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't believe I am going to say this but that seems fair enough to me,I mean you have to pick your battles and I don't see that video being one I would fight. He plays a great pass behind the defence with some curve and the player scores a goal. As anyone following these threads will know I have a big problem with errors and bugs in the ME,I don't see anything wrong here,unless I am missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't believe I am going to say this but that seems fair enough to me,I mean you have to pick your battles and I don't see that video being one I would fight.He plays a great pass behind the defence with some curve and the player scores a goal. As anyone following these threads will know I have a big problem with errors and bugs in the ME,I don't see anything wrong here,unless I am missing something? Ha, sorry, I was being sarcastic. I was just happy with his assist, it was amazing. Was trying to add some light hearted banter to this miserable thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Ha, sorry, I was being sarcastic. I was just happy with his assist, it was amazing. Damn I am glad I did not go all out with a rant then Me and sarcasm through the net don't get on very well . Man I can't believe I watched the clip 6 times trying to find a fault,I think I am still buzzing from getting my first legendary item in BL2...yeah that's it ...that was the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 lol can't imagine you'd be too happy if he'd made that pass against you though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonleague Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Patch ME fixes, updated TODAY (think the last 2)Match v1319 ----------- - More improvements to on ball decision making and pass choice - Improved central midfielder starting position when team is in possession - Tweaked midfielder and attacker positions when team is defending - Fixed a couple of bugs causing players to fail to turn to face required direction properly - Improved facing direction of player marking opponent who is moving onto a pass - Fixed bug allowing players being able to partially "go through" other players to get ball without being penalised - Small tweaks to improve the way players move onto passes or loose balls - Reduced some instances of closing down of keeper when clearly illogical in context of player and his instructions - Cleaned up a few bugs that delayed retrieval of ball at set pieces or kick offs Match v1320 ----------- - A bunch of ball physics fixes mainly related to collisions and ball spin after bounce - Reduced slightly unrealistic ball to player deflections - More improvements to pass choice AI - Tweaks to run with ball and first touch AI - Reduced tackles that end in own goals - Some tweaks to basic central midfielder positions - Fixed some dodgy marking at mid pitch free kicks - Improved full back positioning when waiting for short keeper distribution - Improved near and far post corner aim point Match v1321 ----------- - Some further ball physics fixes and refinements - Fixed goal not always given if ball stops just over goal line - Fixed some rare instances of player collision avoidance failing - Further refinements to pass AI - Improved pass, shot or header accuracy logic - Further improvements to player reactions to the ball - Fixed defences staying to deep just after corner taken - Refined player positioning when defending free kicks from wide - Made players press more collectively and aggressively when required - Improved positioning of defenders against attackers running at pace - Refined tackling AI a bit - Improved facing direction while marking opponent around own area - Fixed some more keeper AI bugs Match v1322 ----------- - Improved collision avoidance AI slightly - Fine tuned ball trajectory chosen by player for kick, header etc - Fine tuned kick and header accuracy logic - Fine tuned pass and general on ball AI - Tuned long shot frequency and AI - Toned down pressing slightly in certain situations - Improved marking and engagement of ball player in wide areas - Tuned tackling AI further - Couple of small fixes to player reactions - Fixed some small player pathing anomalies - Fixed a couple of goalkeeper AI anomalies Match v1323 ----------- - Improved marking and engagement of ball player further - Fixed some instances of risky keeper distribution Match v1324 ----------- - Reverted one change from 1323 that was causing defensive issues - Fine tuned kick/header accuracy So 1319-1324 are where we are with regards to the next update. How excited was I when I saw this! I quickly closed the game, reloaded it with anticipation of the new update has finally come to save my season, quickly went to the 'About Football Manager' only to see Version 13.1.3 334797(m.e v1318) I didn't bother to read the last line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 There are a few changes which sound great but "- Fixed some instances of risky keeper distribution" I take to mean no more will the keeper go to the sideline and *pass*the ball to the opposition and in turn for them to score a 40+yard open goal. The only down side is unlike the rest of you guys I could not care when the patch hits. I have my folks coming to stay for Christmas so it will be near to the New Year before I get to play at any length. So having said that...Paul take your time and maybe go over it a few more times to make sure it is ready,I think I speak for everyone when I say even if the patch is released around December 31st we will all be happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacZidane Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Loving the way people think this patch is going to dramatically alter the game. It's not, it's simply ironing out some of the more obvious bugs. It's still going to be the same game. In fact, let's have a prediction on the 'Patch Timeline' 1 - Patch is released, much happiness and cheering 2 - Initial posts gushing in praise of how the game is 'so much better' 3 - After the initial reaction, some players still can't get their teams to win, so start to over analyse the game again looking for faults 4 - Within a week, posts of 'unplayable' and 'broken' resurface. How do we know this? Because it's exactly how it happened last time. And before the mods start giving a 'keep it on topic' speech, I think we've exhausted every last drop of 'feedback' for this version of the ME. Videos and scenarios being posted are re-runs of incidents we've seen a thousand times. Therefore, I suggest any bickering on this thread should now be heartily encouraged. Let's have a bit of fun, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 You know what I'm going to say right oneunited? Hopefully "it would be helpful if you could find time to post a PKM in the bug forum, however you are more than welcome to post feedback in this thread designed for feedback too and posting in the bug forum is not a required pre-requisite for doing so"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Almost exactly... although mine would be without your sarcastic undertones City... As I have done in the past several times, all I ask is that people post in the bug forums first and consider this a secondary place to moan/ask about certain issues.... As posting here will solve nothing. Hence me saying it in a tongue in cheek way to someone who already knows this (oneunited) You'd do well to follow suit and leave the sarcasm and attitude at the door Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonleague Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Loving the way people think this patch is going to dramatically alter the game. It's not, it's simply ironing out some of the more obvious bugs. It's still going to be the same game. In fact, let's have a prediction on the 'Patch Timeline' 1 - Patch is released, much happiness and cheering 2 - Initial posts gushing in praise of how the game is 'so much better' 3 - After the initial reaction, some players still can't get their teams to win, so start to over analyse the game again looking for faults 4 - Within a week, posts of 'unplayable' and 'broken' resurface. How do we know this? Because it's exactly how it happened last time. And before the mods start giving a 'keep it on topic' speech, I think we've exhausted every last drop of 'feedback' for this version of the ME. Videos and scenarios being posted are re-runs of incidents we've seen a thousand times. Therefore, I suggest any bickering on this thread should now be heartily encouraged. Let's have a bit of fun, eh? Well of course initially people will post to say how much better it is and how some of the known issues that 'they' have experienced have been eradicated. Then, people will start to discover new bugs (hopefully not) which will take time of course and will duly post about it. So your 'Patch Timeline' will be pretty much spot-on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbert Fandel Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 MacZidane I went the polar opposite after the previous patch. For the first week I was pissed off beyond measure. Season 2 at St. Johnstone and I was leading a confident march to the SPL. Patch comes out. Lose 8 games on the trot before I find a new tactic that isn't somehow totally made redundant. Clog up the forums semi-seriously complaining about wanting to go back to the old ME. Lose SPL title. Work for entire pre-season on new tactic that seems to work, watching games in full adjusting till I have something where at least things mostly make sense. Then play it in every game, getting moderate results, coming in top 3 every year but never 1st, enjoying the challenge. Love the new ME despite the plethora of faults. Although I don't want my tactic to get nerfed again, if I am as happy with the new one as I am with this one (bugs considered), then I'll be, well, happy I suspect you will be right for the vocal minority though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 So it has already been decided that the patch will just cause as much *fury*(for want of a better word) on these forums as before the patch? Just so you guys know that for example FM11 and 12 had quite a few problems but after the main patch(yes this is the main patch) hit mostly everyone was happy and went and played the game. Yes this is a new ME but they have had a few weeks to sort out the problems so I am very hopeful. No idea why you guys are trying to stoke the fires,let them release the patch and see where we are at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacZidane Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 MacZidane I went the polar opposite after the previous patch.For the first week I was pissed off beyond measure. Season 2 at St. Johnstone and I was leading a confident march to the SPL. Patch comes out. Lose 8 games on the trot before I find a new tactic that isn't somehow totally made redundant. Ha, I was the same in my Coventry game at the time. That patch ended up costing me promotion! Or more accurately, my refusal to change a previously winning tactic post-patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motherlover Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 And I give up on FM13. We're at home. We have a better team all over the park. My players are by all accounts highly motivated. We have 63% possession. We get 7x 50%+ chances to score, including 3 CCC. We put away 0. The opposition get 3x 50%+ chances, 1 CCC, including one where they had a man inexplicably unmarked and in the clear at the near post; and another hoof ball to the striker. They score 2. I couldn't have done anything about their goals. I can't do anything about my players failure to score. I wish it was my tactics, but unless the entire game of football has changed there should be no way I lose match after match while outclassing my opponents. It's beyond ridiculous. I've tried defensive tactics. I've tried balanced tactics. I've tried possession tactics. I've tried attacking tactics. I've tried being mr nice guy. I've tried being mr hard ass. I've tried 3 different careers with 7 different teams. I keep losing but I can't see rhyme or reason as to why that's the case. I've never felt this way about any edition of FM before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidallenxyz Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 And I give up on FM13.We're at home. We have a better team all over the park. My players are by all accounts highly motivated. We have 63% possession. We get 7x 50%+ chances to score, including 3 CCC. We put away 0. The opposition get 3x 50%+ chances, 1 CCC, including one where they had a man inexplicably unmarked and in the clear at the near post; and another hoof ball to the striker. They score 2. I couldn't have done anything about their goals. I can't do anything about my players failure to score. I wish it was my tactics, but unless the entire game of football has changed there should be no way I lose match after match while outclassing my opponents. It's beyond ridiculous. I've tried defensive tactics. I've tried balanced tactics. I've tried possession tactics. I've tried attacking tactics. I've tried being mr nice guy. I've tried being mr hard ass. I've tried 3 different careers with 7 different teams. I keep losing but I can't see rhyme or reason as to why that's the case. I've never felt this way about any edition of FM before. Reached the exact same conclusion a number of weeks ago. I am used to poor results, but what can I do to respond to inexplicable results? I've been scanning the thread since then to see whether there would be any constructive feedback from the games designers or word of a truly resolved match engine, but there has been none forthcoming. Instead it's the usual array of jibes from FM groupies who believe that every version of the game is perfect, despite the multiple patches that the "perfect" game always requires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted December 18, 2012 Author SI Staff Share Posted December 18, 2012 Reached the exact same conclusion a number of weeks ago. I am used to poor results, but what can I do to respond to inexplicable results?I've been scanning the thread since then to see whether there would be any constructive feedback from the games designers or word of a truly resolved match engine, but there has been none forthcoming. Instead it's the usual array of jibes from FM groupies who believe that every version of the game is perfect, despite the multiple patches that the "perfect" game always requires. David et al, I have posted updates on ME changes and fixes in a separate thread which has been linked in here previously. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/320432-Next-match-engine-update-fixes-so-far...(-updated-17th-December-) Personally I have always generally enjoyed posting in these forums since the early days but sometimes the negativity and bickering is off-putting for myself and colleagues. Most important thing is we always work to improve each release beyond the initial release, something that has become far more convenient with steam. Myself I wont use the word "patch" these days, rather "update". I think almost all software gets updated fairly regularly these days and FM is no different. In terms of this year's ME yes its been quite tough especially for those of us who follow these forums. Last year we made zero ME changes for FM2012 and instead reworked certain parts of the ME for this release. While I am totally convinced many aspects of the ME have benefited from this I accept there were some rough edges ( goalkeepers, plus some defending issues in particular ) and all I can say is we've spent the last few months trying to iron out as many of those as possible. I'm also grateful to the likes of wwfan for having the patience to help some users get the best out of the game as this year's ME is far less forgiving tactically than its predecessors ( something I am delighted about btw ). The next update isnt far away anyway, we have always tried to do an update before Xmas and this year is no different. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 So it has already been decided that the patch will just cause as much *fury*(for want of a better word) on these forums as before the patch?Just so you guys know that for example FM11 and 12 had quite a few problems but after the main patch(yes this is the main patch) hit mostly everyone was happy and went and played the game. Yes this is a new ME but they have had a few weeks to sort out the problems so I am very hopeful. No idea why you guys are trying to stoke the fires,let them release the patch and see where we are at. No they were not. The same people were still on the forum day in day out complaining. I dont really agree with the way MacZidane goes about his defending but he is right, the patch will not change much, the forums will still be the same, the same people will still be complaining and nothing much will change, thats the nature of it all. (before you start, i've not been on here for most of the last week because i have been happily enjoying FM, sadly im now back at work and cant play it ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 "Before you start" Before I start what? I had a few complaints about FM11,after the Christmas patch hit I was very happy playing the game,sure there will be a few on here complaining but no where near what we have seen since release,if the patch does address the bigger problems which it does seem to be aiming at I think most players will just get on with their saves or start their saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 "Before you start"Before I start what? I had a few complaints about FM11,after the Christmas patch hit I was very happy playing the game,sure there will be a few on here complaining but no where near what we have seen since release,if the patch does address the bigger problems which it does seem to be aiming at I think most players will just get on with their saves or start their saves. Its like this every year at release and at every update, almost without fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 "Before you start"Before I start what? I had a few complaints about FM11,after the Christmas patch hit I was very happy playing the game,sure there will be a few on here complaining but no where near what we have seen since release,if the patch does address the bigger problems which it does seem to be aiming at I think most players will just get on with their saves or start their saves. I thought you were one who was posting along the lines of "why are you posting on here if you enjoy the game", apologies if i had you mistaken with someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris21 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Chances are I'll be happy once the patch is out. Normally takes til Xmas before the game is satisfactory. I play the game beforehand of course but the pre Xmas patch normally sorts out any major flaws with the game. Its perfect by the time the February/March patch comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well I for one will wait for the patch now and hopefully continue with my save and be quite happy,I think 1 thing for sure is I will be done with GD,I will just stick to the other sub forums from now on. Life is to short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancy Gaffot Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 David et al,I have posted updates on ME changes and fixes in a separate thread which has been linked in here previously. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/320432-Next-match-engine-update-fixes-so-far...(-updated-17th-December-) Personally I have always generally enjoyed posting in these forums since the early days but sometimes the negativity and bickering is off-putting for myself and colleagues. Most important thing is we always work to improve each release beyond the initial release, something that has become far more convenient with steam. Myself I wont use the word "patch" these days, rather "update". I think almost all software gets updated fairly regularly these days and FM is no different. In terms of this year's ME yes its been quite tough especially for those of us who follow these forums. Last year we made zero ME changes for FM2012 and instead reworked certain parts of the ME for this release. While I am totally convinced many aspects of the ME have benefited from this I accept there were some rough edges ( goalkeepers, plus some defending issues in particular ) and all I can say is we've spent the last few months trying to iron out as many of those as possible. I'm also grateful to the likes of wwfan for having the patience to help some users get the best out of the game as this year's ME is far less forgiving tactically than its predecessors ( something I am delighted about btw ). The next update isnt far away anyway, we have always tried to do an update before Xmas and this year is no different. Paul This is a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon157uk Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 David et al,I have posted updates on ME changes and fixes in a separate thread which has been linked in here previously. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/320432-Next-match-engine-update-fixes-so-far...(-updated-17th-December-) Personally I have always generally enjoyed posting in these forums since the early days but sometimes the negativity and bickering is off-putting for myself and colleagues. Most important thing is we always work to improve each release beyond the initial release, something that has become far more convenient with steam. Myself I wont use the word "patch" these days, rather "update". I think almost all software gets updated fairly regularly these days and FM is no different. In terms of this year's ME yes its been quite tough especially for those of us who follow these forums. Last year we made zero ME changes for FM2012 and instead reworked certain parts of the ME for this release. While I am totally convinced many aspects of the ME have benefited from this I accept there were some rough edges ( goalkeepers, plus some defending issues in particular ) and all I can say is we've spent the last few months trying to iron out as many of those as possible. I'm also grateful to the likes of wwfan for having the patience to help some users get the best out of the game as this year's ME is far less forgiving tactically than its predecessors ( something I am delighted about btw ). The next update isnt far away anyway, we have always tried to do an update before Xmas and this year is no different. Paul Good post Paul..... Even with the few problems we have in this match engine I have to say I agree with you that it's turned out much more unforgiving, which in turn has made FM much more of a challenge this year. Once you get the goalkeeper, defender and a few other odds and sods sorted I reckon this will be the best version of FM by a long way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well I for one will wait for the patch now and hopefully continue with my save and be quite happy,I think 1 thing for sure is I will be done with GD,I will just stick to the other sub forums from now on.Life is to short. Head to the tactical and training discussion thread, always filled with excellent articles and pieces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris21 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thanks for the post Paul. I have criticised this years ME but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the work you and your team do. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that why either. Hopefully the patch will fix any problems we are having. And hopefully its before Xmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez007 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well your kind of damned if you do and damned if you dont. You got criticised for not making any changes to the last ME and when you do for FM13 you get smashed for it. A majority of us level headed posters realise its no perfect ME but its an evolutionary thing, the greater goal was always at the front of our minds and have helped with the constructive critiscm, which thankfully you have seem to have taken on board. To be honest, some of the cristicm on this post has been down right awful, I dont know many games where the developer takes in so much of the forum feedback and implements it so hats off to you for listening I look forward to the new patch bashing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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