ddidiodion Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 So Nike gives us 500M and says have that and we go 'yeah ok we'll take that, no matter how many shirts you sell!" Not a very good business decision if that's the case. That's exactly how it works funnily enough. We just licence it out to them, how many they sell is entirely down to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 From basically everything I've ever seen on kit deals, yes, that's pretty much the case. They pay the club the money, in exchange they get to sell Man Utd shirts all over the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Bloody FM telling me lies then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Bloody FM telling me lies then! You really shouldn't trust FM with anything. Registration for the CL, for example, is quite different in real life than it is in game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 It might have a long term benefit in different ways if it generally turns some people who were not Man Utd fans before who were not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Some deals do have sales related percentages built in. No idea if ours is one of those though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I think we just re-negotiate the deal every so often, if Kagawa makes the Japanese market go crazy extracting more money from Nike wont be a massive issue. I'm sure we've renegotiated the deal before once anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Found this on PL shirt deals http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9247044/Manchester-Citys-six-year-kit-deal-with-Nike-could-earn-the-Premier-League-leaders-up-to-12million-a-year.html while Manchester United are confident of securing up to £600 million for a 10-year kit deal when their current £23.5 million, 13-year agreement with Nike expires in 2015. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Just saw this from a dortmund fan on redcafe about Kagawa hi everyone,that`s my first post here. I am from dortmund and of course a huge supporter of my domestic club. but i also follow united since 1997. thanks to my uncle who brought me a united jersey from the CL semi finals second leg in 97. since i`m 14/15 i never bought a dortmund jersey again, but i still order a united one every year. my uncle still tells me about the CL semis in old trafford. was one of his greatest football experiences he has ever had. before he left to the game he was a little concerned because of the german/english relationship resp. history, but afer dortmund beat united (with a lot of luck and jürgen kohler) the united fans stood up,applauded and wished everyone good luck for the final. some scarfs were swapped and a lot of beer was drunken. unfortunately i was just 13 at that time and my father didnt allow me to go there (maybe sometime next years). So, enough about me and my family ;-) and now for shinji: He`s one of the best footballers i have every seen in dortmund. i quickly noticed that our little 350.000 € signing from somewhere in japan is a hell of a player. I could tell 100 stories about him, his skills, his ability to score and so one. but to cut it short- just watch some videos on youtube or somewhere. often they are "lying" about the true strength of a player, but 100% not on shinji. here is one for example (but u will find hunderts more): And now my personal story with kagawa. it was in september 2010 when dortmund played their biggest rivals (sch*lke 04) on an away game. at that game kagawa scored his first two goals for dortmund and lead them to a 3-1 victory. on the same evening 3000 fans were waiting in dortmund for the return of their heroes. it was a huge celebration with the fans, the team and the manager. after we sung about every player somebody put kagawa on his shoulders and ran with him down the street (has to be a scary moment for a young shy japanese guy). after that day the whole club was closer among themselves as ever before. as dortmund won the championship the last to years the players were celebrating with fans on the streets or in "normal" pubs. thanks shinji- you have been the key for a new culture of football in dortmund. wish you all the best and united a lot of fun with this stunning player. here some videos from that day(s): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Sch*lke I refuse to take idiots like that seriously in any way, shape or form. Although he's probably not wrong, mind you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Sch*lke I refuse to take idiots like that seriously in any way, shape or form.Although he's probably not wrong, mind you I didn't even notice that, what does it mean. Take it, it's like saying Manure or liverpoo etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Similar, you'll see some idiots write M*n U*d or Ch**sea or similar. Just utter idiocy of the most idiotic kind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 It is funny how we view the words of papers, journalists, agents, politicians and others with skepticism but we take this at face value.Based on that statement, City were not in the running (they certainly were) and he did not even consider the offers from Real or Barca as he was too young. It is a well placed comment written by his PR man. If he says, it was a struggle between City and Chelsea then it screams "Money, money, money". By saying United and Chelsea and then mentioning the tripe about the amount of playing time, he can convince more people it was strictly a footballing decision. We moved on a long time ago and started sealing stuff with Kagawa, no chance we were waiting for Hazard to decide before we got Shinji. The smoke and mirrors of Hazard allowed us to go after Shinji without anyone competing with us. I have no doubt we weren't waiting on Hazard and whatever happened with him we were always going to sign Kagawa. We pretty much just put in a bid, got it accepted and offered what we felt was right. Think it was Bob Cass who mentioned that adding up wages for the first year, agent fee and transfer fee that Hazard would have cost us 50m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Ignoring all that since I was just clearing that up and it's not important. Good to see Kagawa here. Was just a matter of when not if he'd come. Having met Fergie it was sealed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pago Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 is he any good at set pieces? I've not seen anything of him but if we've got someone who scores a few free kicks then that would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 He didn't have any goals or assists from set pieces last season so I'm guessing he doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 He won't be worse than what we've got already though, that's for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I thought Young and Rooney were pretty decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Gonzo Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 is he any good at set pieces? I've not seen anything of him but if we've got someone who scores a few free kicks then that would be nice. No, he isn't. Dortmund don't have many good set pieces taker but after his first pre-season match Kagawa was never allowed to take set pieces again. Furthermore he can't really cross. If he plays as winger he's more the cut inside type of player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 is he any good at set pieces? I've not seen anything of him but if we've got someone who scores a few free kicks then that would be nice. He doesn't take them for Japan. Thats usually left to Honda, Endo, and occasionally Nakamura. So I don't know if he's any good at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Aah. Then we know what people will moan about when he is off form and hits a corner short Expected, but great signing and really look forward to see him in the red shirt. I'm not expecting much else this summer. Pogba off and probably a left back in. Maybe Powell too unless money talks loud again. But this signing puts us in a much better position for next season. Hopefully the fluidity and great football from the start of this season will last a bit longer next time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossAsianMafia Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Think we still need a more defensive-minded midfielder IMO. Can't rely on only Carrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I agree with that; would be über-awesome if we got Martinez as well. But I'm far from sure we will buy another big name signing now when we got our guy. It's possible considering the price, so I'm not ruling it out altogether, but if we do it may well be for LB rather than DMC. Isn't there a hefty price for Martinez btw? Surely many other big teams interested in him too, so could be another Hazard situation if we go in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/shinji-kagawa-career-background-after-manchester-united-agree-deal-with-dortmund.aspx A metatarsal injury at the 2011 Asian Cup, after shining in the tournament, interrupted his progress but eight goals in 18 games was an impressive return domestically in the 2010/2011 season and he was named in the Bundesliga's Team of the Season despite being sidelined for a lengthy spell. Oh **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/shinji-kagawa-career-background-after-manchester-united-agree-deal-with-dortmund.aspxOh **** So, he will basically play a total of 11 games next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 On another note, Craig has a blog it seems. http://blogs.canada.com/2012/06/05/neymar-to-join-manchester-united/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Neymar I doubt even Craig is that deluded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPS Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Headline: "Neymar to join Manchester United?" First line: "Santos forward Neymar is unfortunately not being linked to Manchester United at the moment." Red hot article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 He must work for the Sun (of Sam) or the Daily Heil. Typical case of headline has nothing to do with the article, and the article is void of any content anyway. Digital filth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Made you read the article, didn't it? So I'd say it served its purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I read this yesterday. what good does it do? none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Made you read the article, didn't it? So I'd say it served its purpose If quickly skimming through it counts as reading, then yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 pogba finally gone then. good luck to him, just glad that saga's over and won't drag on over the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 pogba finally gone then. good luck to him, just glad that saga's over and won't drag on over the summer. Good stuff, hope it works out for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Sounds like he's going to Udinese on loan for a season right off, sounds about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Sch*lke I refuse to take idiots like that seriously in any way, shape or form.Although he's probably not wrong, mind you Considering I've been to a few Dortmund games over in Germany and have quite a few Dortmund supporting friends, I'm surprised he even typed that. Over there they just refer to them as "Scheisse", which to those of you who can't be bothered using some common sense, simply means "****". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 While i doubt we have the money or magic beans to tempt either player, Fellaini (24) or Modric (26)? Rumoured amounts put them within £5million of each other in terms of price (The rumour mill has reduced Modrics price tag since Chelsea got Hazard ) I would take Fellaini in a heart beat (plus a heartbreak for Leppard) if he was available for cheaper than the rumours. Unfortunately, Fellaini is too pricey for us while i am not too anxious to get Modric like i was last season as he is getting to the age of "no future sell on value" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 No to Fellaini. Just NO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'd take Modric for £20-25m or Fellaini for £15-20m but no more than that for either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Don't think Fellaini would be available for that cheap. He's too important to us for us to sell him for anything less than £25m-ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Everton would want at least £25m for Fellaini, they paid £15m iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Am I your source, Craig? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I've heard murmurs of a cheeky £26 million release clause. Which would explain a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Fellaini is very mobile, I think he covers the most ground per game in our squad. Found some stats actually; Fellaini’s athleticism is there for all to see; he is in the top 1% of midfielders in terms of energy and distance covered during matches. He has the 4th highest average distance run per game in the top flight, clocking up a whopping 6.65 miles per match. His notable marathon matches this season include 7.5 miles in the derby defeat and 7mile+ outings in the away games at Man City and Fulham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pago Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Just think of all the merchandising income from Fellaini wig sales! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 No to Fellaini. Just NO. We would give you Bebe of course....Win-win matey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I'll throw Anderson in there as well. Well, I would but there's no way I'm going to be able to lift him, let alone throw him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Fellaini is very mobile, I think he covers the most ground per game in our squad. Found some stats actually; That doesn't mean he's mobile, guess who covers most distance per game for City? Yep, Gareth Barry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Of course it means he's mobile Just means that Gareth Barry is too, possibly more so than you perceive him to be. Are you getting confused with 'agile' or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 That doesn't mean he's mobile, guess who covers most distance per game for City? Yep, Gareth Barry. What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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