Non-football costs

I am running my club well, i have £1.6m coming in each month with players sold in the past but my non-football costs dont add up.

Anyone know why they are above £3m ?

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Its still annoying me, its more than i spend on wages.......

Maybe i have an ex portsmouth owner running the accounts.

when hovering over the writing, it says "amount of non-football staff wages paid out by the club". Not to be confused with the staff wages of "non playing staff wages paid out by the club".

hope this helps

They go up to ridiculous levels depending on your success. My first season in the Premiership with Doncaster, they were around £6m a year. A few seasons later, after qualifying for the Champions league, they had risen to £17m. After winning the Premiership, the next season they were £25m. Then after winning the Champions League, they were at nearly £40m a season from the following season on. It happens no matter what club you are, the more success you have, the more they rise to crazy levels. It's like you're punished for success...it's almost pointless being successful in the Champions League as a lot of the extra income just gets eaten up by your rapidly increasing non-football costs. Maybe it's to do with club reputation rising?

I find it strange that my wage bill can be £2million a month and the non-football costs can be almost double that...

Thanks for the replies.

Mine is going to be over £25m this year which seems a lot, i only a have a small stadium (23k) and 2700 season tickets so the office staff should be low. I know Newcastle employed over 450 non football staff when they were in the epl but as im only a small club in comparison it does seem too much.

Non-Football Costs cost me £45m last season which is rather crippling when you only have a 28,000 capacity ground

They go up to ridiculous levels depending on your success. My first season in the Premiership with Doncaster, they were around £6m a year. A few seasons later, after qualifying for the Champions league, they had risen to £17m. After winning the Premiership, the next season they were £25m. Then after winning the Champions League, they were at nearly £40m a season from the following season on. It happens no matter what club you are, the more success you have, the more they rise to crazy levels. It's like you're punished for success...it's almost pointless being successful in the Champions League as a lot of the extra income just gets eaten up by your rapidly increasing non-football costs. Maybe it's to do with club reputation rising?

I find it strange that my wage bill can be £2million a month and the non-football costs can be almost double that...

lol @ doncaster in the champions league

So, if I'm reading right, that this is what your board decide to pay themselves?

Greedy b@stards...

This is indeed very unfair!

Its killing me at Liverpool,I always lose big money every month.

Try it with a 10,000 capacity stadium

Wage cost this year - £24million

Staff Wages - £4 million

Bonuses - £1.5million

non football cost this year - £29million

WTF - ignoring my money spent on buying players - its almost a third of my total spend (and it doubles my wage bill including bonuses!). If my non-playing staff average £20K (which is a decent wage up north) then im employing 1400 people!

I agree with people above - its basically 'you are doing well, making money, we need to hold you back'

This is such a nightmare to deal with. In my first season in the Premiership with Rushden & Diamonds I had to pay £11.8m on Non-Football Costs. This season (still in Premiership and in late Feb) I have paid that much already. My stadium is only 8,337 capacity, so it's a nightmare trying to make any sort of profit each month. I would almost be in the red if I hadn't just sold my star striker for £10m profit.

I hadn't really thought about until reading this thread, but I've just looked, and I've spent £35m on non football costs against £50m on wages. I'm Ipswich, won the Prem once, champions league once, capacity 40000. I'm never really making any money, just enough to break even each season as long as I qualify for the champions league each year. Is this realistic? What does it pay for? if it's for utilities I'd like to be able to 'GO COMPARE'!

Does entering your reserves and U18s into their respective competitions have any baring on these Non-Football Costs? I always enter them for the sake of it, even though I have very few players to actually play, but if this bumps up the price I'll be sure to turn it down next season.

Does it go up in seasons that you sign a lot of players? If so that is legal costs, especially if you are after a lot of work permit players. Mine seem to have peaks in the Summer transfer window, so that might be a possibility for one reason. We all know what leaches lawyers are (inserts safety wink )

Agent fees might also be there, but I am not sure if the game simulates that.

Also specialist treatments for injuries go into that section I think.

Apart from that I have no idea, mine seems high at 13 million for last season and 9 million so far in Jan of this season, but I have had a lot of work permit appeals.

Last season my non football costs were £40m. I'm managing birmingham and S Andrews only has a capacity of 30,000. We have won the league 3 years in a row and the champions league last season. I lose on average £3m-£4m every month but thankfully my prize money keeps me out of the red by the time the next season comes. i currently have a balance of £18m, which is never enough for a new stadium (council wont allow us to expand the current one), and a transfer budget of £72m. I'm scared to spend any of it because of the money i lose each month. We had a 4 year sponsorship deal worth £3m per season which ends next summer. Since that was arranged i have won the league 3 times, the Chapions League, a league cup, an FA cup and a few charity shields. I also have an affiliated club in China for commercial benefits. I can only hope with our huge jump in stature in the last 4 years we can negotiate a huge sponsorship deal! Its the only other way i can think of actually making money each month and eventually managing to get my club a new stadium without a sugar daddy taking over!

Any other suggestions guys?

you havent signed christiano ronaldo by any chance have you? If so its due to the ammount of fake tan he gets through.

Seriously tho every season ive been in the prem they have increased massively, would really appreciate any tips on keeping them down.

Agreed the expenditure needs looking at - last season in the 3rd tier in Spain

Non Football costs £153k this season £157k by November.

Other £47k this season £194k

Match day expenses £103k this season £143k.

As I'm in the same stadium in the same league it seems stupid that the costs could accelerate so much.

Without going into detail, most clubs in Europe spend between 40% and 70% on player wages.

It then depends on the definition on "non-football costs" what of the remaining chunk should be counted in there, but it's definitely a huge amount irl.

I'm not complaing about them - what I'm complaining about is that for no apparent reason my non-football costs have nearly doubled and I'm only halfway through the season and my "Other" costs are 5 times what they were last season and my matchday expenses have done the same.

I'm not complaing about them - what I'm complaining about is that for no apparent reason my non-football costs have nearly doubled and I'm only halfway through the season and my "Other" costs are 5 times what they were last season and my matchday expenses have done the same.

I think the problem here is knowing what comes under this and therefore we could look at what areas we can control. It totally ruined my Spurs game - although I was winning everything in sight and hardly signing any players I was barely keeping the side afloat due to massive non footballing costs.

It would be good if we could get someone from SI to give us some detail around what is included in this and how we could work to reduce it. I have tried to find previous topics but all I have found is people talking about the problem and no solutions.

An explanation would be good - I mean I'm in the same division and the same stadium so the massive inflation in these costs seems extreme.

Latest News

Season 10/11(Season 11/12)

NFC £153k(£459k)

Other £47k(£237k)

Match Day Expenses £103k(£386k)

Same team - same division.

Come on SI give us some answers.

Im at Manchester United and have managed to increase Old Trafford to 100,000 so my cash flow is quite healthy despite the loan, but I like to look at ways to increase profits and reduce expenditure.

My NFC for last season were a staggering £44,000,000. I don't mind that we have NFC's, I would just like to see a breakdown of each element of the finances in the game, that way we can try and reduce them if we wish.

I agree with people above - its basically 'you are doing well, making money, we need to hold you back'

Probably.

Scout expenses may contribute to them?

Specialist Treatment bills?

It probably covers the costs for entertaining visiting VIP's in the box's too.

I don't see how if you're running the same side in the same division costs can escalate by a factor of 3 to 5 from one season to the next.

last season i got £50.000.000 in non football cost

I agree non footballing costs are very vague and seem very high.

But as the manager of the team should we even know these figures? I'm not sure the owners tell their managers how much the Bank balance is. There should be an option where you just get transfer budget and a wage budget and let the owners worry about the rest.

Flights to European countries when playing abroad

Hotels

Scouts

Specialist treatments.

Hotels

Agents perhaps

Numerous other things.

These things don't pay themselves, though they increase far too quickly in my opinion.

It's the sudden massive increase that bothers me.

It's the sudden massive increase that bothers me.

BTW, how did you get relegated after scoring more than 100 goals ? That would normally be enough to win you the title in whichever division you were playing at the time

You'd be amazed at the number of very high scoring games - I think I might have been in League 2.

Flights to European countries when playing abroad

Hotels

Scouts

Specialist treatments.

Hotels

Agents perhaps

Numerous other things.

These things don't pay themselves, though they increase far too quickly in my opinion.

You forgot private jets/ helicopters ride for the board

It's bulls**t. I pay more in NFC than wages, and I'm paying out nearly £1m a week in wages...

Is there anything that can be done pre-game (in the editor for example) that can make levels a bit more realistic?

I've had a look and I couldn't find anything that would decrease them.

Again, it's mainly things like plane tickets for European games other running costs. The more you travel, the more they'll be I guess.

in cm01/02 the chairmans had stats like financial shrewdness. surely this should be back in here? I mean it should even have been evolved by now!

Like afore mentioned it will be getting to games, hotels scouting abroad etc. maybe loan re-payments and tax come into this too??

kyle i think there are already other payment sections listed for scouting abroad and tax

But as the manager of the team should we even know these figures? I'm not sure the owners tell their managers how much the Bank balance is. There should be an option where you just get transfer budget and a wage budget and let the owners worry about the rest.

You need to know...If you don't you won't be able to know when to ask to improve training/youth facilities, expand stadium, get a feeder club, spend less on wages even if your below the budget etc etc

its a bit unthinkable but i wonder if things like ditching a reserve team make a massive difference, ill try holidaying with an automatic title winner like man utd with and then without a reserve side and see if the figures are hugely different.

It only really seems to impact the English League structure. Haven't had any problems with NFC in Spain, France or Italy.

Spanish 3rd Tier

Latest News

Season 10/11(Season 11/12)

NFC £153k(£459k)

Other £47k(£237k)

Match Day Expenses £103k(£386k)

Same team - same division

You need to know...If you don't you won't be able to know when to ask to improve training/youth facilities, expand stadium, get a feeder club, spend less on wages even if your below the budget etc etc

Thats when the board should start to restrict the budgets and tell you you need to reduce the wage bill to cut costs or offer you no money for transfers. Ask for improvements when you think you need them, The money men can decide if its the right action to take and let you know if it's possible or not. As for asking to expand the stadium, I know there is an option but whats that got to do with the manager? If you fill the stadium regularly and there is enough investment they will expand it anyway.