x42bn6 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Neither are any of the thousands of REGENS real :confused::confused::confused: !!!!!!think you missed my point That's just silly. There is no way the game can predict what will happen in real life with regards to new players. Mascio, however, is not a regen. It's not like every copy of Football Manager today is busy churning out results that are happening exactly in real life. No, regens aren't real, but that doesn't mean that other unreal things should be allowed in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandro Lopez Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Ah Mascio and the mystery around him. Absolute beast though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yeah, let's just insert a load of non-existent (ang good) players just because the game creates some regens after every season. LOLZ LOGIK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsforever Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Screenshot competition of the best Mascio? Here's my entry (): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 This guy knows how to kick a ball! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopitelewis Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Link doesn't work you need to log in. And I'm not exactly keen to sign up to a Liverpool forum oh right sorry. well it is about a team who were trying to sign a player and the News Of The World had it as their back page story yet the lad was just a player off a game. *is now waiting to see mascio linked with Chelsea tomorrow* these are the articles: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jan/15/masal-bugduv-moldova-hoax-player#start-of-comments http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/paper-links-liverpool-to-player-who-doesnt-exist-738961.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18-WATP-73 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 if he is real, how gutted would he be to play fm and sign himself. Has a look at the forums and sees hes fake. His whole life has been a lie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 if he is real, how gutted would he be to play fm and sign himself.Has a look at the forums and sees hes fake. His whole life has been a lie Thank goodness he's not real then, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Wonder how many , who say he shouldnt be in the game and must be deleted ,, have actually signed him for any of their teams ???? I also prefer playing with REAL players , and usually even avoid regens where possible,, this just dosent bother me that much. Some people need to remember its just a game. All I was saying is that seeing as there are Regens in the game right from the begining that are also made up,, I dont get why some people are letting it get to them so much ??. There aint much difference IMO, yes he shouldnt have been put into database (as a real person),, but he did If they suddenly made him into a regen and gave him a computerised facegen would all those who hate him being on the DB,, be all happy all of a suuden :confused: ? I suppose some maybe think of it as a cheat,,, but then I would argue thats not as much a cheat,, as comming onto a forum to discuss finds from other players experiences, instead of finding your own ( as some do ,, not all),,and Im sure some probably only found him through the forum in the first place If you have him and you are happy playing him in your team, then its your game and thats fine IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Wonder how many , who say he shouldnt be in the game and must be deleted ,, have actually signed him for any of their teams ???? I also prefer playing with REAL players , and usually even avoid regens where possible,, this just dosent bother me that much. Some people need to remember its just a game.All I was saying is that seeing as there are Regens in the game right from the begining that are also made up,, I dont get why some people are letting it get to them so much ??. There aint much difference IMO, yes he shouldnt have been put into database (as a real person),, but he did If they suddenly made him into a regen and gave him a computerised facegen would all those who hate him being on the DB,, be all happy all of a suuden :confused: ? I suppose some maybe think of it as a cheat,,, but then I would argue thats not as much a cheat,, as comming onto a forum to discuss finds from other players experiences, instead of finding your own ( as some do ,, not all),,and Im sure some probably only found him through the forum in the first place If you have him and you are happy playing him in your team, then its your game and thats fine IMO To each his own. However, the database is only supposed to consist of real people. Doing this guarantees a potentially world-class player at Cisco Roma, which in turn means Cisco Roma will be more likely to receive more funds from Mascio's transfer, which would then have a knock-on effect. Although the funds being mentioned seem small for top teams, that figure is a significant sum for Cisco Roma in Serie C2/C (and all Serie C2 teams). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfy09 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Anatoli Todorov was a fake too.... hes a real player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 hes a real player To Madeira? There have been loads in the past! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 To Madeira? There have been loads in the past! I miss Madeira, if he was in 09 I'd still sign him, he is like an old friend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mista T Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, there are some mega facepacks which give him a picture. Real or not? The biggest mystery FM will ever know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doruk Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The question is not whether or not Mascio is real, but who and with what purpose actually put him in the game... It's very clear at this point that Mascio is not a real person... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted February 21, 2009 Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2009 Does noone remember the legendary 80 year old something called Scott Lindsay in the old CM2 games (forget which version...) ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GanRob Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Hello guys, italian tester here. Mascio and other fakes player will be removed in patch 3 db update. Many others Cisco Roma players will be tuned down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceus Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 lol ? so the whole cisco roma team is overpowered in 9.0.2 patch ? no wonder i got them into Serie A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncherdave Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Can you remember John Fleck in FM08? His stats were all just randomised, meaning that he could be the worlds best Striker, or the the worst? Doesn't quite work out that way, he can only ever be as good as his PA and I'm pretty sure it takes their position into account when it decides what stats to give them. Nothing is truly random Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GanRob Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 lol ? so the whole cisco roma team is overpowered in 9.0.2 patch ? no wonder i got them into Serie A Yes, the whole Cisco Roma is overpowered from 9.0.0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton162 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 The person responsible for scouting that region isn't sure if he exists, so who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todo Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 No. I edited those myself. I can send you the file to put in if you PM me your E-Mail address. Hi, NepentheZ Could I get you to send the file to me as well? Todo 10 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Could you not have PM'd him instead of bumping this thread? Welcome to the forums though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENO24 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I would have thought SI would have seen the various threads related to this and put an end the the discussion. Some say he is real, some say he is fake. Personally the information i have leads me to believe he is a fake. Its does beg the question as to how a fake player (not a regen) gets into the database? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonezzz Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Not saying he's real, but I've always been curious as to why a facepack I downloaded had a picture for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENO24 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Not saying he's real, but I've always been curious as to why a facepack I downloaded had a picture for him. It wasnt a picture of him IIRC but another real player from the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
given1legend Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Can you screenshot it so we can see the picture? I am intrigued to see what he looks like... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I would have thought SI would have seen the various threads related to this and put an end the the discussion.Some say he is real, some say he is fake. Personally the information i have leads me to believe he is a fake. Its does beg the question as to how a fake player (not a regen) gets into the database? One of the Italian researchers put him in. By accident, of course (assuming good faith). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENO24 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 One of the Italian researchers put him in. By accident, of course (assuming good faith). but how? How can you 'accidently' put a player in the database. You either do or you dont, if you see what i mean. There surely cant be any accident about it...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Peanut Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 On wiki (cisco roma's) it says him as part of the team "Claudio Ribeiro Sousa Masciotta" but it is spelt slight wrong "Claudio Ribiero Sousa Masciotta" in wiki he hasn't got his own page though and he is also got the brazilian national flag next to his name?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Hi, NepentheZCould I get you to send the file to me as well? Todo 10 4 As the post mentions dude, PM me your E-mail address Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Screenshot competition of the best Mascio?Here's my entry (): I think mine is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 On wiki (cisco roma's) it says him as part of the team "Claudio Ribeiro Sousa Masciotta" but it is spelt slight wrong "Claudio Ribiero Sousa Masciotta" in wiki he hasn't got his own page though and he is also got the brazilian national flag next to his name?? Look at Cisco Roma's official website: http://www.ciscocalcioroma.it/ There's one "Claudio" in the squad but his surname isn't "Masciotta". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUFC18 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 My Scout At Leeds United Scouted Him For Me So I Sold Fabian Delph And Brought Him In. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thempesth Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 he is not real...not even 1%....that is why he is not in the game anymore in 9.3(alongside his "team mate" from Cisco, Cascio)...so, have fun with him and leave the stories from the net Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kashmirshazad Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Mascio isn't real.He is an anomaly in the game, a random creation in the database -somewhat of a freak of computing nature. Some say he is the embodiment of FM - an attempt for the game to represent itself in playabale form. It's uncontrolled by the developers, the game is growing its own thought processes and abilities to imitate itself through its own free will. What we are see here is the first step of artificial intelligence procreating - striving for the basic human wants of reproduction. Do not be fooled, 'Mascio' is the first hard evidence we have of technology growing apart from human control. The SI developers may well be at the forefront of science. Youve been watching too much Matrix, mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have my own theory about Mascio, a legal one. SI's database is THE asset of the game and worth copying for all competitors. Obviously though, SI own the copyright to their database and it's illegal to copy it. So what to do to protect the database? In Germany a few years ago, EA successfully sued a national competitor for copying its database in a football management sim. They could prove that the database was indeed copied by the competitor because they were able to show that the competitor's database included the very same mistakes EA had DELIBERATELY introduced into its own database. So my guess is that SI take a good look at the database of competition management sims to see if 'Mascio' is in there as well. Next year Mascio shall be gone, but another few fake players shall exist at different clubs. Sounds like a good idea to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Nice theory jayahr, but I don't buy it. They can put rubbish plants that can't effect a savegame in fo rthat ploy. In fact, that would be a good reason to include all those faceinthegame characters (there are a good few without silly personalities that no one outside SI would know about). Nah, a naughty data inputter popped Mascio in after the Italian head researcher had submitted his info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeturner Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 He is another To Maderia, implemented by the researcher who handles the italian side of things. It has happened before and will happen again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have my own theory about Mascio, a legal one.SI's database is THE asset of the game and worth copying for all competitors. Obviously though, SI own the copyright to their database and it's illegal to copy it. So what to do to protect the database? In Germany a few years ago, EA successfully sued a national competitor for copying its database in a football management sim. They could prove that the database was indeed copied by the competitor because they were able to show that the competitor's database included the very same mistakes EA had DELIBERATELY introduced into its own database. So my guess is that SI take a good look at the database of competition management sims to see if 'Mascio' is in there as well. Next year Mascio shall be gone, but another few fake players shall exist at different clubs. Sounds like a good idea to me No. He was put in the database by an Italian researcher, and was taken out in the new patch. No conspiracy of any sort here. I mean, I don't know what incentive SI has to copy the database from Championship Manager (which is just wrong) or FIFA Manager (which is EA)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Peanut Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have my own theory about Mascio, a legal one.SI's database is THE asset of the game and worth copying for all competitors. Obviously though, SI own the copyright to their database and it's illegal to copy it. So what to do to protect the database? In Germany a few years ago, EA successfully sued a national competitor for copying its database in a football management sim. They could prove that the database was indeed copied by the competitor because they were able to show that the competitor's database included the very same mistakes EA had DELIBERATELY introduced into its own database. So my guess is that SI take a good look at the database of competition management sims to see if 'Mascio' is in there as well. Next year Mascio shall be gone, but another few fake players shall exist at different clubs. Sounds like a good idea to me Sound like a really good theory you got there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcats Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Sound like a really good theory you got there It does but surely he doesnt need to be so good then, just any old crap player would be sufficient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No. He was put in the database by an Italian researcher, and was taken out in the new patch.No conspiracy of any sort here. I mean, I don't know what incentive SI has to copy the database from Championship Manager (which is just wrong) or FIFA Manager (which is EA)... Where's the conspiracy here? You seem to have misunderstood me. My guess is that SI take according measures to prevent OTHERS from copying their database. Maybe Mascio is not part of that plot but I'm sure there are some blatant mistakes in the database which anyone who researched for himself would find. (and no, Arsenal's performances shall not be explainable that way ;-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's the conspiracy here?You seem to have misunderstood me. My guess is that SI take according measures to prevent OTHERS from copying their database. Maybe Mascio is not part of that plot but I'm sure there are some blatant mistakes in the database which anyone who researched for himself would find. (and no, Arsenal's performances shall not be explainable that way ;-)) A bit stupid for them to put such a good player in there, though. Mistakes are best left unsaid - which is why if they wanted to put fake players in there, they'd have CA 0 or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyko Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I have my own theory about Mascio, a legal one.SI's database is THE asset of the game and worth copying for all competitors. Obviously though, SI own the copyright to their database and it's illegal to copy it. So what to do to protect the database? In Germany a few years ago, EA successfully sued a national competitor for copying its database in a football management sim. They could prove that the database was indeed copied by the competitor because they were able to show that the competitor's database included the very same mistakes EA had DELIBERATELY introduced into its own database. So my guess is that SI take a good look at the database of competition management sims to see if 'Mascio' is in there as well. Next year Mascio shall be gone, but another few fake players shall exist at different clubs. Sounds like a good idea to me Sounds very plausible, just the redundant code found in some programs, or the fictional streets found in OS maps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVFKING Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I installed a facepack for fm09 and Mascio came with this picture: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 He isnt a real player someone probably searched for Mascio and used the first pic that came up on google or another search engine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I have my own theory about Mascio, a legal one.SI's database is THE asset of the game and worth copying for all competitors. Obviously though, SI own the copyright to their database and it's illegal to copy it. So what to do to protect the database? In Germany a few years ago, EA successfully sued a national competitor for copying its database in a football management sim. They could prove that the database was indeed copied by the competitor because they were able to show that the competitor's database included the very same mistakes EA had DELIBERATELY introduced into its own database. So my guess is that SI take a good look at the database of competition management sims to see if 'Mascio' is in there as well. Next year Mascio shall be gone, but another few fake players shall exist at different clubs. Sounds like a good idea to me As a matter of fact, this has happened. A few years ago, it transpired that CM's db had the exact same spelling errors in it's db that SI's does. When Matt Le God pointed that out to them, they mysteriously banned him, without so much as a "thanks for researching Southampton for us" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 END OF DEBATE Mascio is not real, I've spent thirty five minutes looking for a non-football Manager related reference to Mascio in images and web, as well as looking at Cisco Roma. He's an error, an anomaly, the "bastard child" of FM. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 its funny because the facepack megapack im using has a real photo for mascio...i wonder who the guy in the photo really is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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