Brexit in FM21

[CJG21]

15 minutes ago, Pantelas said:

Yes i know that section, but does one know what that threshold is, i.e. how many more points are required, and how those points are allocated?

 

14 minutes ago, Junkhead said:

The threshold is 15 points. I am not playing in the UK - @CJG21 does the game tell you how many points a player has?

Not that I've seen.

 It would be useful if there was a way you could get a scout notification when a player you want becomes eligible though, surprised that that's not already a feature.

[Yer Maw]

Yep as I said you can’t edit the European Union on the editor.

[LolloViola]

but can you remove restrictions from UK with the editor?

Edited November 23, 2020 by LolloViola

[PAFC_Dugout]

14 minutes ago, Yer Maw said:

Yep as I said you can’t edit the European Union on the editor.

editors not out yet?

[Yer Maw]

4 minutes ago, PAFC_Dugout said:

editors not out yet?

Yes it is? I had to restart steam to see it after the full game downloaded, Then go to library and change to tools you can download it.

[PAFC_Dugout]

2 minutes ago, Yer Maw said:

Yes it is? I had to restart steam to see it after the full game downloaded, Then go to library and change to tools you can download it.

strange, not appeared on my Steam yet in the UK

[Yer Maw]

1 minute ago, PAFC_Dugout said:

strange, not appeared on my Steam yet in the UK

Only went in to rid myself of Zebre FC, but I couldn’t change anything in European Union.

[jkadms]

You can definitely use the editor to change brexit

[Junkhead]

5 minutes ago, Yer Maw said:

Only went in to rid myself of Zebre FC, but I couldn’t change anything in European Union.

You will need to do it through the advanced editor I would think. That's how it worked before.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Junkhead

[jkadms]

17 minutes ago, LolloViola said:

but can you remove restrictions from UK with the editor?

you can change the rules or disable it entirely with the editor 

[LolloViola]

1 minuto fa, jkadms ha scritto:

you can change the rules or disable it entirely with the editor 

so thanks God is not hard coded

[Dagenham_Dave]

Still don't have the editor. Or the resource archiver for that matter. 

[Yer Maw]

2 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Still don't have the editor. Or the resource archiver for that matter. 

Restart steam completely, change library to tools and it will be there.

[Dagenham_Dave]

Just now, Yer Maw said:

Restart steam completely, change library to tools and it will be there.

Tried all that, still nothing. 

[Jonthedon26]

2 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

Tried all that, still nothing. 

No nor me, I have given up for the night!

[signmeupgaffer]

Doesn't seem to be working like it did in the old editor. When you run the rules test to verify the changes this is what is happening. 

 

[Johnsey]

Brexit is frustrating. I do understand SI's decision to put it in but think it should have been avoided until it actually happens and the rules are confirmed irl. It's all guesswork until then and guesswork is something that FM doesn't really have in any other area.

 

[Dagenham_Dave]

I don't mind that they've added it in, as long as those who don't want it can remove it easily enough via the editor. 

[jkadms]

22 minutes ago, signmeupgaffer said:

Doesn't seem to be working like it did in the old editor. When you run the rules test to verify the changes this is what is happening. 

 

I know last year any change made to the rules in the english football pyramid broke league 1 because of the bury situation, maybe it's a knock on effect from that since it's referencing the wrong number of teams?

[signmeupgaffer]

4 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

I don't mind that they've added it in, as long as those who don't want it can remove it easily enough via the editor. 

And right now it isn't an easy fix. When attempting to verify the rules it brings up the list of errors. Makes no sense why the rules are stating there needs to be a minimum of 24 teams in the Vanarama National League, when there are only 23. 

[samdiatmh]

12 minutes ago, jkadms said:

I know last year any change made to the rules in the english football pyramid broke league 1 because of the bury situation, maybe it's a knock on effect from that since it's referencing the wrong number of teams?

which would be the same this year (thanks Macclesfield)

 

although that's completely unrelated to Brexit... but be careful what you try and edit

Edited November 23, 2020 by samdiatmh

[jkadms]

7 minutes ago, samdiatmh said:

which would be the same this year (thanks Macclesfield)

 

although that's completely unrelated to Brexit... but be careful what you try and edit

that'll be it then, sadly any attempt to change any sort of rule / aspect of the english football pyramid breaks this system, again im not really sure why as like you said brexit is unrelated but that seems to be how it works

[Dagenham_Dave]

I think I'll wait for someone better at these things to release an edited database, or updated instructions. I'll just end up breaking everything. 

 

[samdiatmh]

11 minutes ago, jkadms said:

that'll be it then, sadly any attempt to change any sort of rule / aspect of the english football pyramid breaks this system, again im not really sure why as like you said brexit is unrelated but that seems to be how it works

you can basically edit the clubs in (example would be to replace Macclesfield with XYZ club)
it's failing due to a certain restrictions (in this scenario it's expecting 24 clubs in the Vanarama national league, and only has 23)

that league alignment has literally nothing to do with brexit (that would be an issue whether you kept them in the EU or not) - it's solely due to the fact that one of the entrants doesn't actually exist anymore (unless Macclesfield are based outside of the UK)

if you're wanting a simple "remove brexit and play normally", it's NEVER that simple
and as this screenshot shows, you effectively need to adjust the English Lower Leagues (and reserves)

 

edit: if you really wanted to... don't alter brexit and run the same test, and it will give you the EXACT same result
it's not brexit-related, despite you wanting to adjust that (you're running into other fundamental issues)

Edited November 24, 2020 by samdiatmh

[jkadms]

9 minutes ago, samdiatmh said:

you can basically edit the clubs in (example would be to replace Macclesfield with XYZ club)
it's failing due to a certain restrictions (in this scenario it's expecting 24 clubs in the Vanarama national league, and only has 23)

that league alignment has literally nothing to do with brexit (that would be an issue whether you kept them in the EU or not) - it's solely due to the fact that one of the entrants doesn't actually exist anymore (unless Macclesfield are based outside of the UK)

if you're wanting a simple "remove brexit and play normally", it's NEVER that simple
and as this screenshot shows, you effectively need to adjust the English Lower Leagues (and reserves)

 

edit: if you really wanted to... don't alter brexit and run the same test, and it will give you the EXACT same result
it's not brexit-related, despite you wanting to adjust that (you're running into other fundamental issues)

yeah i know last year it would break promotion and relegation but it would at least work and you were able to test / save it, something is obviously different this year 

[jase19]

54 minutes ago, samdiatmh said:

you can basically edit the clubs in (example would be to replace Macclesfield with XYZ club)
it's failing due to a certain restrictions (in this scenario it's expecting 24 clubs in the Vanarama national league, and only has 23)

that league alignment has literally nothing to do with brexit (that would be an issue whether you kept them in the EU or not) - it's solely due to the fact that one of the entrants doesn't actually exist anymore (unless Macclesfield are based outside of the UK)

if you're wanting a simple "remove brexit and play normally", it's NEVER that simple
and as this screenshot shows, you effectively need to adjust the English Lower Leagues (and reserves)

 

edit: if you really wanted to... don't alter brexit and run the same test, and it will give you the EXACT same result
it's not brexit-related, despite you wanting to adjust that (you're running into other fundamental issues)

Well that's disappointing.  Here I am playing around, just to find out I can't get what I want really anyway... 

Oh well, back to not playing in England.

[CM]

Trying to sign Matias Arezo, agreed fee with his club and offered him a contract but it says work permit decision on 01/01/2021. Is it because he is not 18 at the time I want to sign him or is it because some other reason regarding Brexit? When I go to transfer section on his profile I can still see ask agent availabiliy whereas everything has been agreed with him. Could others sign him before I get work permit for him as the transfer has not been fully completed? 

Edited November 24, 2020 by CM

[JordanMilly]

10 minutes ago, CM said:

Trying to sign Matias Arezo, agreed fee with his club and offered him a contract but it says work permit decision on 01/01/2021. Is it because he is not 18 at the time I want to sign him or is it because some other reason regarding Brexit? When I go to transfer section on his profile I can still see ask agent availabiliy whereas everything has been agreed with him. Could others sign him before I get work permit for him as the transfer has not been fully completed? 

It'll be because he's under 18 - the only under 18s that could transfer to the UK previously were those from the EU, but following Brexit, that won't apply either.

[Catley94]

Like with the option to enable the agreement option, there is an option to enable or disable required number of teams in each league. That seems to bypass that long message that comes up when trying to test the rules.

It managed to verify the rules for me

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Catley94

[lex311085]

3 minutes ago, Catley94 said:

Like with the option to enable the agreement option, there is an option to enable or disable required number of teams in each league. That seems to bypass that long message that comes up when trying to test the rules.

It managed to verify the rules for me

 

that might give you issues further along with the save

[Catley94]

Just now, lex311085 said:

that might give you issues further along with the save

Yeah my plan is to just start a small database and sim a few seasons. But i'd assume since it passes the rule testing that it should be good

[lex311085]

let us know how you get on

[Catley94]

1 minute ago, lex311085 said:

let us know how you get on

In other news, ignore everything I just said...

[Fuzzo]

For those who want to remove Brexit - I created this - had to do some shifting of U23 and U18 teams around but everything is working fine:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2296756046&searchtext=

[Kobi]

and why you have the choice for the b team to be able to promote in the premier league (in the advanced rules) when its not working.it cant be promoted if you tick in anything

[BamBamBam]

7 hours ago, jkadms said:

You can definitely use the editor to change brexit

Thank god for that!

[BamBamBam]

How do you get rid of brexit via the editor?

[BamBamBam]

9 hours ago, signmeupgaffer said:

Doesn't seem to be working like it did in the old editor. When you run the rules test to verify the changes this is what is happening. 

 

Yeah i'm getting the same.....

[samdiatmh]

32 minutes ago, BamBamBam said:

Yeah i'm getting the same.....

and then you verify all that (it's doable), and it doesn't recognise it as a fix - with the ingame league providing the issues that would have passed the validation there

Edited November 24, 2020 by samdiatmh

[BamBamBam]

So you having the same issues?

[samdiatmh]

28 minutes ago, BamBamBam said:

So you having the same issues?

I'm trying to create a club, and it's a mess

 

wait... having some validation joy.... it's failing the "advanced rules"
I've currently messed around with that, and appear to have it working

will report back

 

edit: yep... you'll need to tinker with the advanced nation rules (it passes the basic test easily) - it's the u23 and u18 leagues that cause issues
fixing the advanced nation rules (it doesn't pass that validation first time), allows you to select the league ingame

Edited November 24, 2020 by samdiatmh

[micky045]

How do you upload a saved game to the Editor?

Trying to do it and can't find the save file in my SI folder on my Mac

[Catley94]

26 minutes ago, micky045 said:

How do you upload a saved game to the Editor?

Trying to do it and can't find the save file in my SI folder on my Mac

Could be wrong, but pretty certain you can't edit an already started saved game. Only the original database to then start a new save with. 

[micky045]

4 minutes ago, Catley94 said:

Could be wrong, but pretty certain you can't edit an already started saved game. Only the original database to then start a new save with. 

Fair one. Cheers for letting me know fella

[Catley94]

I'm currently at work, so holidaying through the one that @Fuzzo provided up earlier in the comments. I believe adding teams is going to be a requirement for the lower leagues. Gonna try sim like 3/4 seasons quick to see if anything odd happens. 

[Guest]

Well that is a kick in the teeth.

I had hoped for one step and free from the (speculative) post-Brexit restrictions.

Extremely frustrating.

[BamBamBam]

Can anyone from SI or a mod clear this up?

I thought removing Brexit from the game using the editor was a straight forward process?

[Catley94]

1 minute ago, bringbacklilnux said:

Well that is a kick in the teeth.

I had hoped for one step and free from the (speculative) post-Brexit restrictions.

Extremely frustrating.

Yeah I think we all did, I imagine it's an issue on the SI side and as the full game is out today a lot of people will get on the case. I'm one season through the sim already, nothing out of the unordinary. 

[toni2244]

Somebody has done Steam Workshop add-on in two versions, one with keeping current system and other one with removing work permits all together..  Have to se will they work without crash or something..

 

[Catley94]

8 minutes ago, toni2244 said:

Somebody has done Steam Workshop add-on in two versions, one with keeping current system and other one with removing work permits all together..  Have to se will they work without crash or something..

 

That's what I'm doing now. I'm running the one with the WP's still in. Loaded only England leagues down to Van North/South. Going to sim 5 years and check out what happened.