Icondacarver Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/share/10252418 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Just get tired of his soundbites.No.one is meant to be bigger than the club yet, according to LVG, if someone does something right or scores a goal it's only because he told them to do it training. He can't just give praise. If something's wrong it has nothing to with him. You're basically describing Mourinho here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Good job I've been banging the Poch drum then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Happy Moyes Day everyone. Just remember when LVG stays on next year it could always be worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Worse, what is worse than spending £200m to be on 59 points and out of the CL in the group stage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Being mathematically unable to qualify for the CL next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Worse, what is worse than spending £200m to be on 59 points and out of the CL in the group stage? Yeah Moyes was still worse. And I see it mentioned all the time but fail to see what the money spent has anything to do with it. The squad was in need of new players and most of the fees are for the potential of the players. If this group wins the CL in 3 years time the cost won't matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Because from approx £300m spent, the squad isn't that much better off, and there are still glaring problems in the building of the squad that are still way off being addressed that should have been addressed by now. And there is absolutely no way this group wins the CL in 3 seasons. We only do that by making another few key signings in the right areas. I've said before, as poor as Moyes did, LVG is doing a worse job considering where we are in his second season, with the money he has spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 What annoys me about people saying he's spent whatever amount of money is that they're only talking about that, what he's spent. They include buying di Maria but not selling him. We've also sold a few other players for a few million each. I'd much rather the figure be net spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Want net spend Harry, the figure is not that pretty when you look at what we got back from our sales. Only Di Maria went for anything more than peanuts and we still lost nearly £15m on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted April 22, 2016 Author Share Posted April 22, 2016 Want net spend Harry, the figure is not that pretty when you look at what we got back from our sales. Only Di Maria went for anything more than peanuts and we still lost nearly £15m on him. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending him at all. I'm just saying that when people quote £250m it's out of order not taking in to account sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I don't think it matters about net spend... The fact is he's failed with 250/300/whatever millions worth of talent coming in to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 And talent going out of the club doesn't matter at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Not when he is the one that has deemed them not good enough, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Not when he is the one that has deemed them not good enough, no. Could I say that "despite a gross transfer income of however many million pounds", LvG has managed to keep us competitive for a top four place and in the running for the FA cup? I mean, we are allowed to do the black and white both ways, right? We can praise LvG for keeping us where we are despite selling players for tens of millions of pounds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 You could but you'd be as misguided as LVG. He's sold players for "tens" of millions who he hasn't deemed good enough for us whilst bought 250+ million worth of talent in. So no, you can't praise him for keeping us competitive. The original point was about the criticism he receives for spending that amount of money and doing terribly. It has nothing to do with the bank account or finances, it's that he's been given the opportunity to spend a quarter of a billion pounds on players and has done sod all with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 £200m, £250m or £300m which one is it? Actually its £164 million when you take into account LVG didn't actually sign Shaw and Herrera. His net spend is £65m, not to mention the £25m or so a season on wages. His net is a whopping £15m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 You could but you'd be as misguided as LVG. He's sold players for "tens" of millions who he hasn't deemed good enough for us whilst bought 250+ million worth of talent in. So no, you can't praise him for keeping us competitive.The original point was about the criticism he receives for spending that amount of money and doing terribly. It has nothing to do with the bank account or finances, it's that he's been given the opportunity to spend a quarter of a billion pounds on players and has done sod all with it. Okay, just wanted to make sure we can only talk about the black and not the white I mean, never mind the fact that we're leaving out the opportunity of bashing him for the players he's sold and making the actual squad a lot weaker than it was when he took over. I must obviously have been focusing on how he's doing for our financials, silly of me to not cotton on to that myself, really. Carry on, as you were Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 It's the same dance again. We don't know jack about what goes on at Carrington, how he interacts with players, whether they truly like him and respect him or not. But our results have been cack. So when we're not talking about that directly, we laugh at him for small niggles like a badly phrased sentence in a press conference, or sitting down during matches, or standing up during matches, or falling down during matches, or the clipboard he writes on during matches, or any number of insignificant things. Not exactly throwing Rashford under the bus when comparing him with a young Kluivert. Reckon LVG is actually in agreement with us, that Rashford isn't ready to lead the line for Manchester United as the starter already now, and we should be looking for a top striker in the summer. More fun to laugh at him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 https://twitter.com/aftvvines/status/630526213543624704 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Would anyone here forgive LvG if he got a CL place and won the FA Cup? Personally I wouldn't and would still want him to go but I am interested in others opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I would still want him to go. But don't think he will. Not certain we will get rid at all anymore. Think the club may back him for one more season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 He's got to go. We are only where we are because the league has been so poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 He's not going anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 4th place isn't acceptable given we have Leicester and Spurs above us tbh.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 £200m, £250m or £300m which one is it?Actually its £164 million when you take into account LVG didn't actually sign Shaw and Herrera. His net spend is £65m, not to mention the £25m or so a season on wages. His net is a whopping £15m If those numbers are correct then it speaks volumes about how the media twist things. We better bloody win today, I'm having to drive because there are no trains back after the game, it's a joke. Apparently Virgin told the FA that works were taking place on this weekend 18 months ago but the FA don't give a ****. Bring back Villa Park semis, Wembley is ***** anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted April 23, 2016 Author Share Posted April 23, 2016 Would anyone here forgive LvG if he got a CL place and won the FA Cup? Personally I wouldn't and would still want him to go but I am interested in others opinions. No, he's awful and needs to leave. How such a charismatic man can play such boring football is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 its all about paying for Wembley, its pathetic and devalues the final totally agree semi should go back to Villa etc Wembley should be for the final only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 can 100% say Jose Mourinho will be sitting in the HOME managers seat at Old Trafford after this season finishes:thup: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3548789/Jose-Mourinho-manage-Old-Trafford-England-Claudio-Ranieri-s-Rest-World-Soccer-Aid.html lets hope its not the last time we see that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Wembley should be for the final only Definitely. Devalues finals and that special Wembley feeling. lets hope its not the last time we see that Let's hope it is. I want to see Rashford next season too. And I have hope of others youngsters playing for us over the next 3 years. For all the talk of crap football under LVG, it's baffling that people want Mourinho. If people want to see good offensive football, that's about the last manager on the planet you should be clamouring for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 De Gea, Fosu-Mensah, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Carrick, Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney, Martial, Rashford Subs: Romero, Darmian, Valencia, Herrera, Mata, Schneiderlin, Memphis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Fellaini Unlucky for Valencia and Darmian to miss out. Thought they were good midweek. And Rooney just walks back into the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Mourinho isn't a negative manager in general, his sides frequently play really good stuff. It's just he's too quick to park the bus when confidence is low or the team is tired. It's a lack of bravery that's the issue, he's perfectly capable of producing teams that play good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Mata, Herrera and Scheiderlin on the bench so Fellaini can start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Mourinho isn't a negative manager in general, his sides frequently play really good stuff. It's just he's too quick to park the bus when confidence is low or the team is tired. It's a lack of bravery that's the issue, he's perfectly capable of producing teams that play good football. Sakho been sharing the goods then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Mata, Herrera and Scheiderlin on the bench so Fellaini can start. Thats my issue. Whatever LvG sees in Fellaini i just dont. Should be Schneiderlin or Herrera at the side of Carrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thats my issue. Whatever LvG sees in Fellaini i just dont. Should be Schneiderlin or Herrera at the side of Carrick. It should be Schneiderlin and Herrera instead of Fellaini and Carrick. And Mata instead of Rooney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Carrick is past it and Fellaini is ****. Herrera and Scheiderlin as the two is what it should be. LvG prefers to make things hard for us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Apart from Rooney for Herrera it's the same team as away to West Ham, and that didn't go too badly. That said, no guarantees we will play well (again), and I find it odd that Schneiderlin plays so little. Herrera I can understand because he's not been very good. Hopefully it will be sort of a midfield 3 with Carrick-Fellaini-Rooney, because a more typical central pair in Carrick and Fellaini will be awfully slow. Hopefully Everton continues to be crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Sakho been sharing the goods then? Apparently, since you must have missed the 120 goal season at Real Madrid and Chelsea battering everyone at the start of last season. Just the second top scorers in the league, scoring 3 or more in more than a quarter of their games... Don't worry Pan, nobody is surprised when you're factually incorrect anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Apart from Rooney for Herrera it's the same team as away to West Ham, and that didn't go too badly. That said, no guarantees we will play well (again), and I find it odd that Schneiderlin plays so little. Herrera I can understand because he's not been very good. Hopefully it will be sort of a midfield 3 with Carrick-Fellaini-Rooney, because a more typical central pair in Carrick and Fellaini will be awfully slow.Hopefully Everton continues to be crap. What? I would rather have him instead of any of our midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 I would have all the players on the bench in the starting XI (other than Romero). It's like intentional sabotage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 I would have all the players on the bench in the starting XI (other than Romero). It's like intentional sabotage. Got to agree with that actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 What the **** is Fosu-Mensah doing there. **** out of that header completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Apparently, since you must have missed the 120 goal season at Real Madrid and Chelsea battering everyone at the start of last season. Just the second top scorers in the league, scoring 3 or more in more than a quarter of their games... Don't worry Pan, nobody is surprised when you're factually incorrect anymore. Aaaah, that's cute. Trying to be authoritarian with statements like that. Is this a new form of calling people idiots then? At least you're evolving. Sort of. Let's just ignore virtually Mourinho's entire career then. I'm sure he'll change massively if he becomes the United manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Aaaah, that's cute. Trying to be authoritarian with statements like that. Is this a new form of calling people idiots then? At least you're evolving. Sort of.Let's just ignore virtually Mourinho's entire career then. I'm sure he'll change massively if he becomes the United manager. I thought I'd mix it up a little bit since I'm sure you're called an idiot on such a regular basis. Keep bashing Herrera and whatever other nonsense agendas you've come up with this week though That and evolving clearly doesn't mean what you think it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Thought LvG got it wrong in line up and game management but FA Cup final. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Horrible 2nd half by us, but at least we won. Felt like the good old days with a winner like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Is DDG better than the big Dane? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 Is DDG better than the big Dane? Find it so hard to say yes but he's arguably the best keeper in the world right now. Don't think he's far off Peter, if at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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