jep Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 the breakdown of the 10 will be interesting I think their main argument will centre around the fact that he had an 8 game ban last season for lack of discipline and that clearly hasn't acted as a deterent to him so the punishment increases. I don't think they look at each situation on an individual basis as such, but its almost certain they have taken into account his past convictions such as the racism row and the giving the finger to Fulham fans. If we appeal this I am sure the ban will increase - we should just take it on the chin and hope he learns from his lessons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 It's pretty crap from a legal standpoint if they use previous - completely unrelated - offences to issue an extended ban on this one. Fairly sure that wouldn't stand up in front of CAS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Criminal lawyers are permitted to use character evidence when dealing with punishment (even if unrelated), so it's probably the same here. Only difference in a criminal court is that the accused's counsel would also be allowed to counter the bad character evidence. Doesn't seem like he's been given that opportunity here, even if he's not got much by way of mitigation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 It's pretty crap from a legal standpoint if they use previous - completely unrelated - offences to issue an extended ban on this one. Fairly sure that wouldn't stand up in front of CAS. How can they possibly be unrelated? they happened on a football pitch. Not to mention he has bitten someone before (but that was in another country, The FA can't know about that) That's like saying if you get caught drink driving after you drove without a licence then the first incident shouldn't be taken into consideration. Suarez has brought the game into disrepute on many occasions and they will all tally up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoolFan Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Ten games is about right honestly given his history over the past few years and the media hysteria regarding everything he does on the pitch. I would be way more concerned about next season because anything he does will be magnified even worse leading to players like Huth free to do what they do and be covered because 'it's suarez he's a &&*&^' etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 How can they possibly be unrelated? they happened on a football pitch. Not to mention he has bitten someone before (but that was in another country, The FA can't know about that)That's like saying if you get caught drink driving after you drove without a licence then the first incident shouldn't be taken into consideration. Suarez has brought the game into disrepute on many occasions and they will all tally up. I'm actually baffled not only that you believe that, or that you think your analogy is in any way remotely applicable, and I honestly can't be bothered to attempt to argue against absurdity, so: :headdesk: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Posted this also in the ban thread, but I am too am looking forward to the FA breakdown of this. Especially as Defoe was not punished at all for biting Mascherano a few years back...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-412157/Mascherano-rages-FA-punish-Defoe.html If the FA were that hot on biting they could have thrown the book at Defoe but used "the referee saw something" excuse, but surely if Suarez is extreme circumstances then so was Defoe. I`m a West Ham fan but I feel sorry for Suarez in all of this. Sure ban him till the end of the season, but a 10 game ban is just ridiculous. I heard that they were more governed by FIFA laws back at the time of the Defoe incident, which prevented them taking action even in extreme circumstances.Still, doesn't get away from the fact that the FA are a joke and proving it again here. 10 games would be acceptable if they dealt with other incidents properly, but as it is it feels unfair and like they're issuing extreme bans in some circumstances and not others. If this is the start of them using common sense to issue bans then i'd be all for the 10 game ban, but it doesn't feel like that at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I heard that they were more governed by FIFA laws back at the time of the Defoe incident, which prevented them taking action even in extreme circumstances.Still, doesn't get away from the fact that the FA are a joke and proving it again here. 10 games would be acceptable if they dealt with other incidents properly, but as it is it feels unfair and like they're issuing extreme bans in some circumstances and not others. If this is the start of them using common sense to issue bans then i'd be all for the 10 game ban, but it doesn't feel like that at all. So, because they have messed up before, they shouldn't get this one right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I hope to god we sell him. I really do. That's my last word on it. Tough game at the weekend. Despite Newcastle's league position, they do have a good team and playing away is always hard. A run of games without Suarez being the focal point will be very interesting. We've obviously spoken quite a bit in here before about how many moves we feel break down with him being the main target, so will watch with interest to see how we play as a team without his brilliance and without the frustration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I hope to god we sell him. I really do. That's my last word on it.Tough game at the weekend. Despite Newcastle's league position, they do have a good team and playing away is always hard. A run of games without Suarez being the focal point will be very interesting. We've obviously spoken quite a bit in here before about how many moves we feel break down with him being the main target, so will watch with interest to see how we play as a team without his brilliance and without the frustration. Seems to try and do too much with the ball, one more dribble, one more player to beat. Sturridge seems to be a bit more direct, quicker to pull the trigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 But equally frustrating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 But equally frustrating It's Liverpool, it'd be wrong if he wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 when will he learn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Seems to try and do too much with the ball, one more dribble, one more player to beat. Sturridge seems to be a bit more direct, quicker to pull the trigger. That's what i like about sturridge, he isn't afraid to shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton1987 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Jay Spearing won our supporters' player of the season earlier this evening. He has been impressive all season, the past 3 months in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Jay Spearing won our supporters' player of the season earlier this evening. He has been impressive all season, the past 3 months in particular. Happy for the lad, his attitude and desire on the pitch is there for all to see. Hope he keeps improving year in year out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Is he on loan and are we destined to see him back leaving even larger holes in the defence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Is he on loan and are we destined to see him back leaving even larger holes in the defence? Season loan no idea how much he has on his contract left but kd gave him a new one may 2011. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hopefully we can persuade Bolton to take him permanently then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hopefully. Hi niggle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Happy for the lad, his attitude and desire on the pitch is there for all to see. Hope he keeps improving year in year out.Yeah i agree. The way some of our midfielders have performed this season i wouldn't have minded him as a back up option here.Hopefully this season has improved him too, which it sounds like it has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 jay, while being an honest professional, should not be an option really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 jay, while being an honest professional, should not be an option really.He probably shouldn't be, no. But like i say if he'd have been around this season he definitely would have been, given some of the performances we've seen from Lucas and Allen especially since he's picked up that injury last year.I'd much rather us sign in new players, and now it's looking more like we need an alternative to Lucas, rather than a back up for him. I just hope Lucas can come through a good pre-season stronger. Been saying we need another defensive/deep lying mid for a while though, and it's never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Probably shouldn't be? Short memories people have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Probably shouldn't be? Short memories people have.I never thought he was as bad as people made out, but then again at Liverpool you're either completely useless or world class if you listen to some people's judgements of players, and these perceptions can change game on game.I think he's useful given our current squad. If we can sign other players, letting him go to play more regularly somewhere else, then great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I was Spearings biggest fan. He's not good enough for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Stephane Sessegnon, How good? How much? Are we able to attract to him to the club? Reported interest from Spurs also. I like what i have seen of him but all i have seen is bits and pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divinity Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I never thought he was as bad as people made out, but then again at Liverpool you're either completely useless or world class if you listen to some people's judgements of players, and these perceptions can change game on game.I think he's useful given our current squad. If we can sign other players, letting him go to play more regularly somewhere else, then great. Yea I have this recollection of him single-handedly leaving our defence utterly exposed in a Cup Final. Maybe I'm just being too judgemental on him and I should let his lack of passing ability, tackling ability, and positional ability speak for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 He's probably on the same level as Assaidi ability wise, and on the same level as Wigan for turning up to games. No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Wish Cameron would stop sticking his powdery nose into the Suarez business. Talks about setting an appalling example - hypocrisy at its finest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 He's probably on the same level as Assaidi ability wise, and on the same level as Wigan for turning up to games.No thanks. Seen enough of him to suggest that he is better than Assaidi, his goals for Sunderland alone back that up. Just haven't seen much else of what he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I hear Suarez fancies a move to Bayern, as he's looking to sink his teeth into a shoulder of Lahm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Seen enough of him to suggest that he is better than Assaidi, his goals for Sunderland alone back that up. Just haven't seen much else of what he does. He's definitely considerably better than Assaidi, but his ability to turn up for games certainly equals that of Wigan. You could do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Why would he bite his own teammate? That's just silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 El Zhar > Assaidi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 spearing wasn't too bad but his level is championship as we all noted when he was pushed into the team on account of being the only defensive midfielder we had available. hope he does well when we sell him in the summer, which we surely will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Yea I have this recollection of him single-handedly leaving our defence utterly exposed in a Cup Final. Maybe I'm just being too judgemental on him and I should let his lack of passing ability, tackling ability, and positional ability speak for itself.Yeah i think you are, and probably should.I'd suggest that if one player can single handedly leave a defence exposed, then the problem is also with the team and the way it's set up. It's not like he's the only player to ever defend badly in Liverpool's midfield. We've seen it all season this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 El Zhar > AssaidiWho was that Argentinian fella we had who couldn't get a work permit? His name escapes me but i always thought he looked good at reserve level. Think he plays in Greece now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Why would he bite his own teammate? That's just silly. Biting his opponents isn't silly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 so what needs to happen for us to be entered into the carling cup early and if we do how many league games is suarez going to miss? i'm still not sure if he'll be here come next season btw, would've thought there'd be a good chance of him wanting to leave for champions league before he spazzed out again now i'm 50'/50 on if he'll go or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Who was that Argentinian fella we had who couldn't get a work permit? His name escapes me but i always thought he looked good at reserve level. Think he plays in Greece now. leto? think he went to spain. might be thinking of someone else ofc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 leto? think he went to spain. might be thinking of someone else ofc.That was him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jongi Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 leto. he is in greece. or was at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 so what needs to happen for us to be entered into the carling cup early and if we do how many league games is suarez going to miss?i'm still not sure if he'll be here come next season btw, would've thought there'd be a good chance of him wanting to leave for champions league before he spazzed out again now i'm 50'/50 on if he'll go or not. If we get in the Europa league via the fair play thing (hahaha) then those early qualifiers would count towards his ban! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 how does that work? surely its only domestic games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim82 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 how does that work? surely its only domestic games?That's what i thought, but noticed it being mentioned on several news sites yesterday that they would count. Although internet news sites aren't the most reliable these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 i'm calling ******** on that i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 makes no difference, theres no way we're playing in europe next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Biting his opponents isn't silly?Of course not. He's just misunderstood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoldeFK15 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 If we get in the Europa league via the fair play thing (hahaha) then those early qualifiers would count towards his ban! No they wouldn't. In the event that you qualified via the fair play league he would be eligible to PLAY in those as the ban is a 'domestic' ban only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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