JJ72 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Prefer a left footed left back. That right footed Dennis Irwin was terrible at left back wasn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Was good with both feet. Me preferring a left footed left back in no way rubbishes previous right footed fullbacks ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I prefer a good left back...whatever foot they are doesn't bother me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Well it bothers me if they aren't very good on their left foot and favour getting to the line and cutting back rather than whipping in a cross. Glad we sorted that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 right footed left back fits with our right footed left winger(s) anyway...what's the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 well he can try Baines and Young instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 right footed left back fits with our right footed left winger(s) anyway...what's the problem? Doesn't really fit, either will be looking to cut in, whereas one right footer and a left footer will give you more options from wide positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 hmm I'd get that sarcasm detector checked out if I were you... On a separate note, reports that Gill has been meeting Ronnie's agent...getting wet pants anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 please but he better not spend ALL the budget doing it, because Moyes needs some to bring Baines+Fellaini in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 On a separate note, reports that Gill has been meeting Ronnie's agent...getting wet pants anyone? Was first in the Daily Mail today. So yeah, nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyu Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Congratulations and good luck to David Moyes. I hope he does well. All indications are that he knows how to play good football when provided with the proper personnel and isn't afraid to go physical. Amused by some of the coverage in the media. Don't understand all this talk about loyalty and long term, just pure romanticism talking and talk is cheap. The moment he fails to finish in top 4 and get out of the CL group stages the Glazers will terminate his employment with extreme prejudice since that financial repercussions will be enormous. And if he doesn't win the league / trophies after a few years, the fans will be wondering why in the world we didn't appoint some proven manager and not even Fergie or Sir Bobby Charlton will be able to save his bacon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Congratulations and good luck to David Moyes. I hope he does well. All indications are that he knows how to play good football when provided with the proper personnel and isn't afraid to go physical. Amused by some of the coverage in the media. Don't understand all this talk about loyalty and long term, just pure romanticism talking and talk is cheap. The moment he fails to finish in top 4 and get out of the CL group stages the Glazers will terminate his employment with extreme prejudice since that financial repercussions will be enormous. And if he doesn't win the league / trophies after a few years, the fans will be wondering why in the world we didn't appoint some proven manager and not even Fergie or Sir Bobby Charlton will be able to save his bacon. Why are you suprised by the press coverage? Build something up just to be in pole position to tear it down, that has been their standard practice in this country since the invention of paper. They will make a big deal of Mourinho arriving, they will make a big deal of Wengers replacement, they will build it up to a frenzy and then later be the first to pick the reasons if it all fails. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Coming around to the idea of Moyes. Although I would always back us 100%. Listening more and more to people who know him better than me and it sounds like he could do a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 My only issue with Moyes is that he's the dull, cheap, sensible, steady-eddie Glazernomic option, and we've seen too much of that at United lately. He'll probably turn out to be a great choice in the long run, and it goes without saying that every United supporter should be backing him, but the comparisons to Fergie show one big difference, where SAF had been remarkably successful in a trophies sense, Moyes has been remarkably succesful in the money/steadiness sense. We've argued with Fergie's decisions in the past, especially the midfield tombola, so I don't expect that to change, but without the unarguable past successes to calm oneself with, it'll probably be more tempting for some to go overboard when the inevitable dips occur. The team has a very solid core, I don't want too many changes, but I don't think any United fan would struggle to draw a list of 4-6 players who they wouldn't mind leaving if an opportunity to replace them came along. Am I imagining Ferguson mentioning marquee signings too? That means they're nailed on right? please but he better not spend ALL the budget doing it, because Moyes needs some to bring Baines+Fellaini in You don't need to mention Baines+Fellaini in every post you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Is Scott the new Craig? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Button Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Is Scott the new Craig? Majority of his posts are pretty rediculous. Comes across as someone that's quite young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Majority of his posts are pretty rediculous. Comes across as someone that's quite young. Could be Craig then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 6 years is a hell of a committment but it makes a statement that you're convinced Moyes if the right choice, none of this 'give him 3 years, see how it goes' and it it does go wrong I am sure it won't stop you changing things but just sends out a strong message from the start. Right thing to do tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 United's new manager Theon Greyjoy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Gregory's Girl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pago Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Shouldn't the thread title be 'end of an era'? Then you can have 'a new era' for next season's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 The United mods are useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 We have to fulfill our duties as village idiots before we get to do any modding, sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 so everyone else can post rediculous posts, yet 1 bit of sarcasm, and its stupid.. sheesh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 rid * Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It's spelt 'ridiculous' people. With regard to the post by Razzler, it doesn't matter how long the contract is, if he's doing poorly then he won't last more than three years anyway. Anything below third in the league is what I would class as a poor season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-fiend Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 United's new managerTheon Greyjoy? Dunno but this is a perfect pic imo. Fits like a glove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 It's spelt 'ridiculous' people.With regard to the post by Razzler, it doesn't matter how long the contract is, if he's doing poorly then he won't last more than three years anyway. Anything below third in the league is what I would class as a poor season. Exactly, that was I was getting at. If you needed to make a change within that 6 years of course you'd do it but up front with a new appointment in this manner the 6 years looks a good show of confidence and backing up front even if, in reality, it doesn't really mean anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Indeed & you can guarantee that there'll be get out clauses in terms of compensation. If this proves to be a disaster, they won't have to pay 3/4 years compensation should he be sacked after 2/3 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I don't think managers should be getting a fully paid up contract when things don't work out, maybe a year payoff, tops tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Clubs should be forced to pay up the full value of the contract upon early termination if they want to replace him early, might convince some of them to give managers a bit of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I don't think managers should be getting a fully paid up contract when things don't work out, maybe a year payoff, tops tbh Say what now? What utter, utter nonsense. The club signs a deal, if there are no get-out clauses they should pay the remaining amount of the contract. That's how contracts work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 We don't need Baines or Fellaini. We need midfielder that can pass the ball not hold it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 We need a midfielder who can defend without being a liability further up the pitch really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 So a box to box midfielder you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Not a box to box midfielder as such, I'd be happy with another Carrick ideally but anyone who could play the defensive role in a 4-4-2 next to Cleverley would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Say what now? What utter, utter nonsense. The club signs a deal, if there are no get-out clauses they should pay the remaining amount of the contract. That's how contracts work Super high compensation when you've not been very good though. That's a load of rubbish. I think such get out clauses regarding comp should be the norm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Super high compensation when you've not been very good though. That's a load of rubbish. I think such get out clauses regarding comp should be the norm Nonsense. If a club does not want to pay the super high amounts they should agree a deal that does not have it or tell the manager to do one. A club ties a person into a job where he can only walk away on their say so and only with the club receiving compensation. If the opposite happened and the club wanted to walk away from the manager, the club needs to compensate him. "RUBBISH" is subjective, if you put firm covenants on results that can lead to his sack then that is fine and it will be in the terms of the deal. To say "Hang on mate, you are sacked and will get this mouldy fiver as compo because you are rubbish" is tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Nonsense. If a club does not want to pay the super high amounts they should agree a deal that does not have it or tell the manager to do one. Yes, that's the 'such clauses shoud be the norm' bit. I'd imagine they'd be a bit more worked into such clauses to mean people like Nigel Adkins don't get skanked but the likes of Dean Saunders don't walk away with a bunch of cash for being hopeless Seems like a profession where it's quite lucrative to be useless though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nistelrooy_uk_10 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm another one in the 'happy with moyes' camp. It was never going to be Mourinho I don't think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nistelrooy_uk_10 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 My only issue with Moyes is that he's the dull, cheap, sensible, steady-eddie Glazernomic option, and we've seen too much of that at United lately. He'll probably turn out to be a great choice in the long run, and it goes without saying that every United supporter should be backing him, but the comparisons to Fergie show one big difference, where SAF had been remarkably successful in a trophies sense, Moyes has been remarkably succesful in the money/steadiness sense.We've argued with Fergie's decisions in the past, especially the midfield tombola, so I don't expect that to change, but without the unarguable past successes to calm oneself with, it'll probably be more tempting for some to go overboard when the inevitable dips occur. The team has a very solid core, I don't want too many changes, but I don't think any United fan would struggle to draw a list of 4-6 players who they wouldn't mind leaving if an opportunity to replace them came along. Am I imagining Ferguson mentioning marquee signings too? That means they're nailed on right? You don't need to mention Baines+Fellaini in every post you know? You say it's a cheap option like we've gone to the lower leagues and picked some random mug who's willing to do the job for free. Fergie has had his eye on Moyes for years, way before the glazers took over. He wanted him as his assistant in 1998, so to say it's money motivated is incorrect imo. maybe the timing is, in that we've waited for moyes's contract to expire? but in terms of it being moyes, i don't think it's a money motivated appointment at all. as for the squad, I think Fergie has built a good core there but you are right, I think there's a few that need moving on and improvements are needed because let's face it, even though we've won the league I don't think we've played well at all, or for a few years for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 He's cheap as in compared to what the cost of getting a top manager in (say Mourinho) would be. And if clubs are worried they might have hired someone crap then stick in performance clauses throughout the contract that leave the board the option to terminate the contract at their discretion, if they cant be bothered to do that then the decision should hit them hard in the pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nistelrooy_uk_10 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 well yeah, but he just so happens to be cheaper, as opposed to that being the main reason for appointing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Ham didn't say that was the main reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 well yeah, but he just so happens to be cheaper, as opposed to that being the main reason for appointing him. Wouldn't bother arguing with dion. He has already decided that Moyes is useless and should be sacked as soon as we lose two on the trot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Moyes to bring Gibson instead of Fellaini and play him as that missing midfielder you're all talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Wouldn't bother arguing with dion. He has already decided that Moyes is useless and should be sacked as soon as we lose two on the trot. Yeah definitely plonker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 I could see Barkley working well with Powell eventually, maybe not in a 2 but as part of a 3 man midfield, maybe that's more of an England dream than a United one though! I think he'll stay way from Everton transfer wise, out of respect and the fact that there is nobody there who is an obvious target who we couldn't find similar elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Yeah definitely plonker. You're just waiting for it to go wrong so you can say "I told you so". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Moyes out. Surprised nobody has mentioned Barkley as a potential signing, maybe too similar to Powell. Why would Moyes sign someone who he hasn't given a chance to at Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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