Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 3 weeks, eh, just in time for the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckyRover Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Didn't we stay in Austria for two weeks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Scotland looked ok in Mexico against Germany IIRC and it was just Uruguay they struggled against, 10 men for 89 minutes unless that's the reason Steve Nicol couldn't bury that chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
finneys13 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Just thought you would like to know.Souness is doing some punditry for RTE and he is adamant your **** performances are down some sort of oxygen starvation, he was going on about APO, red blood cells and kidneys saying your body is at a downward spiral for the first 4 weeks of altitude as your body adjusts and he says same thing happened him with Scotland in Mexico. He might be talking out his arse but still, its a theory. Beat me to it. It is EPO, erythropoietin. Living at altitude, you breath in less oxygen. Your oxygen receptors identify this, and order your kidneys to produce more EPO, which in turn tells your bone marrow to produce more red blood cells, to compensate for the lack of oxygen in the air. Very basically. It takes time for your body to fully adapt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Didn't we stay in Austria for two weeks? I think it may have been a little less, we also came back to England to play Mexico. Austria wasn't at the altitude we have been in South Africa, about half the distance above sea level, we also took altitude equipment with us to Austria to help acclimtise players before heading to South Africa ... once there we also still had the equipment with us. Basically, some of the best minds in this kind of thing have been advising us so I am not buying that at all. This one is backed up by science, unlike our ability to not be able to pass or have a terrible touch yesterday. I do appreciate Souness' efforts to make excuses for us though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
finneys13 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Didn't we stay in Austria for two weeks? Much lower altitude than where they are in SA. Don't know why teams didn't go straight to SA instead of kick about in Austria. Does anybody know about the locations of other teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 We hadn't cut the squad from 30 to 23 yet and also had friendlies arranged in England and another in Austria vs Japan. We were in South Africa in more than enough time to adapt though even if we hadn't been in Austria first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's not altitude that is making you hoof balls 50 yards up the pitch to Heskey instead of even doing a decent build up play, it's not also altitude either that is making Capello choose players based on reputation purely instead of form or what's best for the team. Not trying to wind up or anything, but that's just Souness looking for excuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Souness doesn't need to look for excuses for England tbh, he's a Jock or extremely Jocky proportions unless its belated 1986 excuses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengedragon Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 England team in 5 years time anyone? Bet it's a scarily average though. as it is now and as it was 5 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 No Carragher then, got to be Upson, hasn't it? I mean, everyone wants Dawson but Dawson only made the squad after Rio got injured so surely Upson is ahead of him in Capello's mind + Upson played some qualifiers alongside Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Woot Upson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
finneys13 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's not altitude that is making you hoof balls 50 yards up the pitch to Heskey instead of even doing a decent build up play, it's not also altitude either that is making Capello choose players based on reputation purely instead of form or what's best for the team.Not trying to wind up or anything, but that's just Souness looking for excuses. Seeming to be second to every loose ball, lack of exerting themselves, etc. It is not everything, but Souness brings up a point. No one has a map of where the different teams are staying then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud van Nistelrooy Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 It's not altitude that is making you hoof balls 50 yards up the pitch to Heskey instead of even doing a decent build up play, it's not also altitude either that is making Capello choose players based on reputation purely instead of form or what's best for the team.Not trying to wind up or anything, but that's just Souness looking for excuses. If the players are physically unwell/unfit (not sure the correct term) because of being at altitude it would explain a lot of the problems, especially the inability of players to control a ball or play a simple pass. Not saying Souness is correct or anything. I wouldn't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Only thing in Daws' favour is that he's a RCB which would allow Terry to stay at his favoured LCB. Can't see Fabio going with him though, which is effectively admitting he was wrong in dropping him from the original 30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Lets be positive now. Only conceeded one goal in 2 games and that was a bit of a freak goal 3 games if we include the Platinum Stars game Oh, I'm cacking it for Wednesday now. Can see it going 2 ways, disaster, Algeria style stuff or we give Slovenia a 4/5-nil thrashing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Problem is we only scored one goal in two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Lets be positive now. Only conceeded one goal in 2 games and that was a bit of a freak goal 3 games if we include the Platinum Stars game Oh, I'm cacking it for Wednesday now. Can see it going 2 ways, disaster, Algeria style stuff or we give Slovenia a 4/5-nil thrashing Early goal is so key. Otherwise I can just imagine a tense filled match, constantly looking at the time! Or of course Slovenia could score then we'd be screwed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeLikeFM Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Beat me to it. It is EPO, erythropoietin. Living at altitude, you breath in less oxygen. Your oxygen receptors identify this, and order your kidneys to produce more EPO, which in turn tells your bone marrow to produce more red blood cells, to compensate for the lack of oxygen in the air. Very basically. It takes time for your body to fully adapt. Souness had to say something decent after his rape comment He seemed to know what he was talking about and it makes sense as to why England are so sluggish. I loved the way you posted the identical comment right after me, whats the chances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 as it is now and as it was 5 years ago I'd give it a go at trying to name it.... Hart glen Johnson kieran Gibbs terry rodwell/smalling(depending on where rodwell ends up playing) Lennon wilshire morrison rodwell milner Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 What about the Ipswich striker? Meant to be a big Rooney-like prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Do you mean Connor Wickham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Who's Morrison? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Do you mean Connor Wickham? Yes thats the one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 @ Blaming the altitude - it's the same for all teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahno6 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I can only think of Ravel Morrison, Manchester United player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Who's Morrison? Presuming it's Ra'vel Morrison from Manchester United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What about the Ipswich striker? Meant to be a big Rooney-like prospect. Do you mean Connor Wickham? Yes, and he's already better than Heskey. No joke, no Heskey-hating, just fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Unless he means James Morrison! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 @ Blaming the altitude - it's the same for all teams. And altitude only starts to make a big difference when it's 2,000 m or more, which is not the case in South Africa. But the altitude has become the new heat, what was the excuse when England lost at home in the European Championship? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Whilst on the subject - who of England's U17 side will play for the full national team? I think Chalobah, Garbutt, McEachran & Wickham all have a very good chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connor_Wickham 6ft3 at 17, **** me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted June 19, 2010 Administrators Share Posted June 19, 2010 Whilst on the subject - who of England's U17 side will play for the full national team?I think Chalobah, Garbutt, McEachran & Wickham all have a very good chance. Definitely the four favourites although Garbutt has some depth ahead of him and Chalobah is still so young. McEachran has the talent but surely will need the build (in a similar way to Wilshere I guess) but I think Wickham could easily be on his way as early as Euro 2012, I love his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 And altitude only starts to make a big difference when it's 2,000 m or more, which is not the case in South Africa.But the altitude has become the new heat, what was the excuse when England lost at home in the European Championship? It hasn't, you'll find very few England fans blaming the altitude. In Euro 96 we were just genuinely unlucky with the penalties against Germany. We actually tucked away 10 out of 11 penalties in that tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
why? Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 But the altitude has become the new heat, what was the excuse when England lost at home in the European Championship? Rain . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbyrneno.4 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Yeah raval morrison from united, the kid is the real deal. I'd also expect Welbeck and the lad off Ipswich to be there too. Also like the young lad up front from villa, d'something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 Nathan Delfounseo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Jose Enrique for LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roberto922 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 You're expecting Garbutt to get in to the England squad? Awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suge Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 See what happens when we play Gerrard left? The entire team breaks down. If we're not going to play Joe Cole then we may as well send him home. Ideal opportunity to get him on last night for the last 20 minutes and inject a bit of pace and creativity down our left. Playing Gerrard there is basically taking the left-wing out of the game. He always cuts inside and uses his right and we're left with Ashley Cole bombing it up and down trying to attack and defend. Start Joe Cole vs Slovenia. Drop Heskey. Put Gerrard behind Rooney. It's so ****ing simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 19, 2010 Author Share Posted June 19, 2010 If the formation changes and it's Gerrard behind Rooney, I have an awful feeling it would be SWP on the left. Joe Cole is just so out of favour at the moment- I said it before as much as I want him to play two of the top managers have pretty much ignored him this season, can't be as obvious as we all think it is. I would prefer A.Johnson to SWP, even Downing or Ashley Young would be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba23 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 You're expecting Garbutt to get in to the England squad? Awesome. I don't expect him to be as good as Ashley Cole but he can be as good as Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suge Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I went for Adam Johnson to be selected. Thought he showed enough at Man City and the few friendlies to go. Last night actualy had me longing for Walcott. That's how bad it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 See what happens when we play Gerrard left? The entire team breaks down.If we're not going to play Joe Cole then we may as well send him home. Ideal opportunity to get him on last night for the last 20 minutes and inject a bit of pace and creativity down our left. Playing Gerrard there is basically taking the left-wing out of the game. He always cuts inside and uses his right and we're left with Ashley Cole bombing it up and down trying to attack and defend. Start Joe Cole vs Slovenia. Drop Heskey. Put Gerrard behind Rooney. It's so ****ing simple. Exactly, every single person in England knows that, the players know that. But the 1 fecking man in world football that doesn't seem to realise that is the one person who is the manager . Capello just too damn stubborn and i feel that it will be our downfall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawd Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 I'm having an awful feeling it will be SWP on the left also. Capello seems to value pace over technique and creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner4eva Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 J. Cole must have assaulted Capello or something for Capello to be so against picking him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo DiscoBar Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Exactly, every single person in England knows that, the players know that. But the 1 fecking man in world football that doesn't seem to realise that is the one person who is the manager .Capello just too damn stubborn and i feel that it will be our downfall. I think Capello will go for the Gerrard behind Rooney option. He has too. Out of a job otherwise tbh. Please God its Joe Cole on the left. The way the tournament has gone for us so far is very Italia 90 esque. I have a feeling that once we beat Slovenia we can go far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawd Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 If he doesn't fancy Cole then why not try Milner? I would have taken Johson he was in great form, by all accounts was very impressive in training and is a left footed wide player, I mean he's something different and variaty is such an important commodity in football especially at the world cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckyRover Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Strange how Ancelotti and Capello (two of the most respected managers in world football) both ignore him when every man on the street knows the answer. Funny how nobody considers this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMaster#28 Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The Mirror have an exclusive with the fan who breached security. Apparently he got lost while trying to find a bathroom and then asked Beckham some questions. Couldn't make it up could you.… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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