knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 The CA of test teams have been reduced to CA 160 and CA 135 So far best top CA 160 result is BLACK ECHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: The CA of test teams have been reduced to CA 160 and CA 135 So far best top CA 160 result is BLACK ECHO I'm guessing this is the Black Echo from the recommended list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Yes the 207PTS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, knap said: Yes the 207PTS. The P325 version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Last tactic posted so far p345 4231 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSynyster Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 @knap Is that league private or is there anyway I could use it to test my own tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GurneyMack Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Hi, can anyone suggest a tactic for FC Nordsjaelland first season? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Hi @knap What's your most efficient tactic using a target man ? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 I've never put too much time into investigating the whole tactic testing thing and it seems erroneously my presumption of it just being a test of how well an assistant manager can guide your team was wrong. So perhaps someone can educate me. Are the foundations of these tests being done on the basis that your squad goes into every single game of the season at 100% fitness, 100% match condition, best morale, no fatigue/jadedness presumably among other things by "freezing" players? Wouldn't that automatically create an enormously and falsely positive impression of any high intensity tactic that is completely unrealistic to what the end user will get with it in the game? If you're coming through a period of games whereby you're playing every 3 days on average for a few weeks but your team has zero negative impacts from a defeat (ie morale) and zero impacts from the demands of just playing football but all your opposition do then its definitely skewing the outcome. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 @santy001 Every squad on test is frozen, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 @I.M.F.C Ithink I only have 2 with TMs, a traditional TM Poacher 442 and a 424 with WTMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 BEOWULF Crusho 4231 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, knap said: BEOWULF Crusho 4231 Hiya pal. Can't see this in the file, do you have a link. Love this formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 @widowmaker- Last tactic on recommended list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 @knap I'm blind as a bat. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmaster5000 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Best 2 striker formation for good team? Edited July 19, 2020 by maxmaster5000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilmalm Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 hours ago, knap said: @widowmaker- Last tactic on recommended list I might be dumb, blind and disorientated, but where can I find the recommended list? (yes, been searching the excel-doc, but this only occur: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medmax Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, pilmalm said: I might be dumb, blind and disorientated, but where can I find the recommended list? (yes, been searching the excel-doc, but this only occur: Just on the previous page: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilmalm Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Medmax said: Just on the previous page: ALL LOVE to you <3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medmax Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pilmalm said: ALL LOVE to you <3 Hahahaha, I didn't expect that much... Thanks buddy. Edited July 20, 2020 by Medmax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 13 hours ago, santy001 said: I've never put too much time into investigating the whole tactic testing thing and it seems erroneously my presumption of it just being a test of how well an assistant manager can guide your team was wrong. So perhaps someone can educate me. Are the foundations of these tests being done on the basis that your squad goes into every single game of the season at 100% fitness, 100% match condition, best morale, no fatigue/jadedness presumably among other things by "freezing" players? Wouldn't that automatically create an enormously and falsely positive impression of any high intensity tactic that is completely unrealistic to what the end user will get with it in the game? If you're coming through a period of games whereby you're playing every 3 days on average for a few weeks but your team has zero negative impacts from a defeat (ie morale) and zero impacts from the demands of just playing football but all your opposition do then its definitely skewing the outcome. There are many test leagues out there, which one is best is hard to tell you. What I know is which are the faults. 1. A test league contains teams with different CA & Reputation - trying to imitate a normal save; but in a large scale. 2. All players within the league is frozen. Attributes, Morale, Match Sharpness, Injuries and many more. Why? Trying to elimanate every possible negative factor for a tactic. It's tactics we test. 3. One of the biggest fault from Mr. L is that having DB & Save file for public. Let me guess the first fault from inexperienced user: Didn't changed Assistant Manager Status via FMRTE to Legend (so, basically is the perfect AM for going on holiday). 4. The more matches, the better. Think a casino. It's different to spin one time and it's different to spin eighty times; basically that's how casinos made money by the way. Why this? To get a better idea how X tactic will perform in short and long term; but basically in long term. ==== With what I don't agree is with T.L: - Test leagues is split on Top or Underdogs teams or Elite or Team A or whatever. There is a logic behind this, but sometimes those teams seems unrealistic (IMHO). - Ranking system. Basically all T.L is based on PPG, GD. ==== Sorry for off topic comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 @pilmalm The lonk on google docs is ID 1630 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendixkunert2 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 do you have a wingerless tactic outside of KashmirMU111? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markv1 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Hi Knap, what is ur recommended 3 CB formations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 @bendixkunert2 I call them narrow, There is a narrow 4231. BLUE MATTER is a 433. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 @markv1 I don't think 3 at back are as good as other formations , but with a top side thay should all work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendixkunert2 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, knap said: @bendixkunert2 I call them narrow, There is a narrow 4231. BLUE MATTER is a 433. thanks. Trying the narrow 4312 kashmir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 Very old tactic FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzigP336.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Lord Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 This game sometimes!!! Headhunted by Monaco in my second season. Started like a house on fire winning 13 of the first 14 including beating PSG 5-1 and conceeding only 4 in the process. Using one of Knaps recommended 442's. 3 of the next 5 matches are against teams in the bottom 4. Lost 4, won 1 including getting done 5-0 against newly promoted Le Harve. No massive rotation, no issues with morale, in fact the exact opposite! I appreciate top teams can be beaten by bottom of the league but come on! It's the equivalent to Liverpool starting the season the way they did then over Christmas they lose to Norwich, Bournemouth and Villa. Safe to say it has been switched off for the night and in 2 minds as to whether to pick up tomorrow or start yet another new save elsewhere. Please tell me i am not the only one this type of thing happens to??? Rant over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 @Sith Lord it’s less to do with tactics and more to do with the ME sucking dead donkeys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Lord Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, Heywood JaBlowme said: @Sith Lord it’s less to do with tactics and more to do with the ME sucking dead donkeys. I wouldn't mind but the season before when my Toulouse side were punching well above their weight and in second chasing PSG, PSG dropped 4 points ALL season. Where is the match engine realism there??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sith Lord said: It's the equivalent to Liverpool starting the season the way they did then they lose their unbeaten season and get dumped 3-0 by Watford I get your point though. I often do better against the good sides and fail against the bad in FM20. It can be infuriating. Edited July 21, 2020 by Earnie is God! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDF Tactics Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) On 19/07/2020 at 20:44, santy001 said: I've never put too much time into investigating the whole tactic testing thing and it seems erroneously my presumption of it just being a test of how well an assistant manager can guide your team was wrong. So perhaps someone can educate me. Are the foundations of these tests being done on the basis that your squad goes into every single game of the season at 100% fitness, 100% match condition, best morale, no fatigue/jadedness presumably among other things by "freezing" players? Wouldn't that automatically create an enormously and falsely positive impression of any high intensity tactic that is completely unrealistic to what the end user will get with it in the game? If you're coming through a period of games whereby you're playing every 3 days on average for a few weeks but your team has zero negative impacts from a defeat (ie morale) and zero impacts from the demands of just playing football but all your opposition do then its definitely skewing the outcome. i think similar too. i guess it just creates an idea of which tactic is strong against the ME for users? But this was basically my concern, if you want, about testing too. Even with the opponents players frozen i think it still benefits us (users) if using a very high intensity tactic. @Cadoni what about a test without things being 100%? or no point in that? i think maybe having 90-93% fitness, and good-very good morale may be a truer representation of a normal save. Edited July 21, 2020 by RDF Tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 @RDF Tactics A normal save would not play 82 games in a season without any rotation. Losing 3 games at the beginning of a test would probably have a larger effect on season compared to losing 3 at the end. The tactics I tested are the voted with most votes on FM Scout., just to provide a guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philtree Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 crazy tactic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, philtree said: crazy tactic That's just looks a mess to me bud but i get your point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woah Ollie Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Hi Knap, Just started a lower league save (Tier 10) with Jersey Bulls. What tactic would you recommend? Because even though i am predicted to finish 1st i can't string two wins together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSynyster Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, philtree said: crazy tactic @philtree Do you have the ID for that one? Edited July 21, 2020 by xSynyster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) @xSynyster Just click the arrow in the top right bud, it'll take you straight to it Edited July 21, 2020 by widowmaker- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 @Woah Ollie I would pick a formation that gets your best players on pitch in right position, and then pick the required formation from recommended list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinho26 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 @knap i've sent you a pm for you too see when you have the time for it mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share Posted July 21, 2020 @Paulinho26 Not seen a pm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morewiz Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Best tactic for Real Madrid?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjs89 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 hours ago, morewiz said: Best tactic for Real Madrid?? Literally any of them would work probably lol however Knap recommends Kashmir 433 for the elite clubs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smlrch1892 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Recommended tactic for a save with Celtic? Please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omrgul Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, smlrch1892 said: Recommended tactic for a save with Celtic? Please Like knap suggested a few posts back, analyze your squad. Now do consider that all of your best players should ideally be on the pitch on their natural or accomplished positions. Then ofcourse, you are spolied for choices in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 @morewiz Any top team can use the Lpool pts as a guide (colums are sortable). With RM then you can use same tactic in EC, with Celtic it may be worth having a tactic also recommended for sub or underdog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvin0131 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 19/07/2020 at 17:26, knap said: Spurs with 4141 @knap hi, which tactic？？ ｔｈａｎｋｓ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morewiz Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 hace 2 horas, knap dijo: @morewiz Any top team can use the Lpool pts as a guide (colums are sortable). With RM then you can use same tactic in EC, with Celtic it may be worth having a tactic also recommended for sub or underdog. Very thanks knap!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 @kelvin0131 I thought it was on recommended list. I will check save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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