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Please please please will Arsene Wenger ****ing **** off. Sick of his ****.

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TBH, that is the right thing. He needs them to get as much games together so they get that connection with each other.

It's the right thing to play a dreadful CB consistently?

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Does Walcott have an absolutely massive unused substitute fee clause in that iron clad contract? Don't see why else Wenger's still persisting with that useless **** instead of Campbell.

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Theo and Campbell are both the same. Neither are good enough.

But focusing on Theo misses the point somewhat. Our wonderful manager made 3 dreadful subs.

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I don't think Campbell's good enough either but he's definitely looked less **** than Walcott

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It was a needless sub anyway. Or if you want to go attacking take off Coquelin who is a massive waste of space in games like this.

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Taking off Elneny was stupid in any situation today.

Elneny, Iwobi and Welbeck should have stayed on the pitch. The first sub should have been Ramsey on for Coquelin at half time.

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You being in for the same player is also an excuse for us not to have to sign one.

Surely he has got to go out and buy a CB? He knows that all the other teams around you lot will be doing business. Koscielny picks up the odd injury from time to time to so I think he has to.

Theo and Campbell are both the same. Neither are good enough.

But focusing on Theo misses the point somewhat. Our wonderful manager made 3 dreadful subs.

Giroud coming on was understandable. All of them were actually imo. Walcott was bad when he came on but what other choice would you have done? Giroud was always going to come on. Ramsey too. Walcott/Campbell was always going to be the other one.

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It wasn't so much the players coming on, it was who he took off. We lost all shape and balance with those subs.

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Surely he has got to go out and buy a CB? He knows that all the other teams around you lot will be doing business. Koscielny picks up the odd injury from time to time to so I think he has to.

You know that, we know that but there's a massive stumbling block!!!

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Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh

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Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh

The club doesn't help by making the same ****ing mistakes all the time. It's not the fans fault.

The level of frustration has built up over the years.

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Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh

The crowd are free to show their displeasure, no reason that their support should be unwavering & never negative.

If clubs stop looking at fans as a resource to be exploited (as a means of financial income) then maybe those fans would not be so vocal if the product they are being sold is consistently disappointing, that's not to say fans wouldn't complain if everything was free but that's the deal the club have entered into by charging so much on the basis that they are providing an entertainment product.

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Commentators are right that the crowd doesn't help in moaning at every mistake tbh

Such a lazy thing for commentators to say, fans have been really supportive of the team, things only turn when it all turns to **** in games.

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Newcastle have scored more league goals at home than we have this season.

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:eek:

Looking at the table you're not alone, goal count doesn't look good for a lot of teams.

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the football we've played this season is the worst I have ever seen under Arsene Wenger.

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He can try not playing two holding midfielders at home to Palace?

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I just had that feeling today, after about 10 minutes that it was a game we weren't going to win. It was just that oh-so-familiar pattern of pass, pass, pass, moving the ball back deep and inside, recycling it again - and just not enough pace. We don't take people on enough, we don't force gaps, we don't move the ball quickly enough, we don't shut down the danger quickly enough.

Pressing is haphazard and inconsistent - try looking at Atletico for how to defend. I admire their combative and abrasive style - they defend with such organisation and commitment. It's their organisation which is the most outstanding. It doesn't matter who is in goal, who plays in defence - they are unbelievable week in week out. We play the ball with so little pace, it leaves an aerial threat like Giroud with no real crosses to attack, and when he does, they are hung up too much and easy pickings for any organised keeper and centre backs. Look at Carroll last week - he peeled off and isolated a full back, because West Ham had men over to occupy the defenders. The crosses were quick enough and he got plenty of job. Welbeck works hard, adds good balance but has to improve his finishing - having said that, if we gave him chances to put away he might just do that.

I have nothing to blame Cech for today - he was a touch slow to react, but not much he could do with a shot that good. He's saved us more than enough points this season already.

I was annoyed at the subs today - Giroud for Welbeck just slowed the game up. All of a sudden Giroud doesn't fit us much anymore, and I think it's time to consider him at best a squad option now. He's served us well for a few years now, but it's time to move us along. Ramsey is good when he keeps it simply, he could learn from Elneny in that regard actually, but while he never hides when the going gets tough, he just wasn't the right player at that point in the game. We already had the right pair on in central midfield. Walcott's Arsenal career is over, and I am absolutely certain he gets sold in the summer, because he won't displace any of our right midfielders or strikers in the pecking order. Think it's harsh on Campbell, a player who is clearly not world class, but has been a hard worker, and made a difference this season when we've been really short of options, to sit on the bench and not get a chance because Walcott is here.

I'm just really really angry tonight. It's just the same defensive deficiences - whoever he plays or buys. It's the same ineffective attacking style of slow possession that has been there for years. It's the same errors from a manager who I had idolized for years, but now just resembles a stubborn man - the very epitome of Einstein's definition of insanity "repeating the same thing expecting different results". I am angry the board have just let this malaise fester in the club, as well as the fact the football soul of our club is gone from the club - Wenger is the last we have left. We have lost Dein, Fiszman, Hill-Wood, Carr, Bracewell-Smith and the others that just oozed the spirit and class of our club. Angry that the fans are split into "pro" and "anti" Wenger and not simply all Arsenal supporters. I am angry that we have no excuse for not spending money on players that can improve us, despite sitting on exorbitant amounts of money - not billionaire money, but everyday people like us for whom a season ticket, or matchday tickets and travel are actually really expensive. I'm angry that we are 7 points worse off than this time last year - a year when everyone has been dropping points for fun and a title was a realistic ambition. I'm angry that I stay up for late kick offs here and watch us at stupid times, and then get up for work knackered the next morning because I don't want to miss the games still - and it is only just dawning on me that frankly the club really don't deserve the following it gets right now.

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Apparently we've won just 3 of our last 12 games in all competitions. Shocking.

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Apparently we've won just 3 of our last 12 games in all competitions. Shocking.

This resembles the 10-11 season run-in. We had 2 wins then, against Blackpool away and Man utd at home.

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Don't fancy our chances of getting 4th as things stand. Luckily West Ham have fallen away, but ManUtd are only 4 behind, Liverpool a bit further back but they have a **** easy run in.

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Who does Walcott go to though if he leaves? I don't see who is going to pay big money for him unless it is from China. Maybe West Ham...

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Ermmm, we are far too inconsistent and will be rotating the kids judging by today's lineup

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the football we've played this season is the worst I have ever seen under Arsene Wenger.

Not quite 2006/2007 levels but it's not far off for me.

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I not seen much of Walcott but when you beat Leicester at the power stadium Walcott was going through some form took his goals well and people saying him and Sanchez were playing well together.

I know you been knocked out last 16 in champions league but you have played the best team in competition past few years, I know sometimes you should have done better overall but I don't think Wenger deserves abuse like the guy in the video is giving him.

Top 4, won a trophy past 2 seasons and have some of the best players in Europe so are people complaining because you don't spend big and only signed 1 outfield player, ticket prices and team has weak mentality or are there other reasons Wenger gets abuse?

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People are complaining because we haven't progressed, we play some of the worst football in the Premier League and the team show the same failings and it's all down to the manager.

Why do you think this team has a so-called 'weak mentality'?

The club charges sky high prices for tickets and yet have no ambition to actually succeed. We exist solely to finish in the top four and make money for Kroenke.

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The reason Arsenal have been knocked out by in the KO round of the Champions League is despite always being seeded in Pot 1 (this year excluded) they keep finishing 2nd which is the fault of Wenger as he it happens too often to be a coincidence & must point to him being lacking in tactics or his ability to prepare his players.

The bloke has been living off the back of past success for far too long, whatever happened to only being as good as your last game or even your last season? 2010-2016 Wenger is considered as good as 2000-2006 Wenger by too many people.

Edit: Had to check the facts, including the 2007/08 seasons Arsenal have only won their group once & that group included European powerhouses of Olympiacos, Standard Liege & AZ Alkmaar. They're flat track bullies who are unable to hack it at the top table & no, I do not consider the FA Cup to be a major trophy, it's merely historical important & well marketed.

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Is a bit poor you have not told the group more often. I agree you have under achieved and still don't know why you never sign a dominant centre back and a hard ball winning midfielder. I just feel sorry for Wenger getting abuse like the video above after all he has achieved.

Arsenal are level on points with city after the amount of money. Careful what you wish for, look at United and Liverpool ;) I know it's frustrating especially when you pay so much money for a ticket and club doesn't invest in players as much as other rivals but remember where you was before Wenger took over.

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Is a bit poor you have not told the group more often. I agree you have under achieved and still don't know why you never sign a dominant centre back and a hard ball winning midfielder. I just feel sorry for Wenger getting abuse like the video above after all he has achieved.

Arsenal are level on points with city after the amount of money. Careful what you wish for, look at United and Liverpool ;) I know it's frustrating especially when you pay so much money for a ticket and club doesn't invest in players as much as other rivals but remember where you was before Wenger took over.

hahahaha ok Tony.

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They were pretty much where they are now, maybe actually better. Before the Premier League era they had recently won a couple of titles & aside from a couple of mid-table finishes they were always in the leading group. Not sure where the myth that Arsenal were crap before Wenger has come from.

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We weren't some Championship club before Wenger came along ffs :D We won a lot more trophies in the 10 years before Wenger came along than we have in the last 10 years.

Don't feel sorry for him, one of the best paid managers in world football but also with the safest job in world football.

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I'm not saying wenger should stay or go just think he deserves more respect for what he has done for around 20 years and doesn't deserve nasty comments like guy in the video. I agree he comes across stubborn, more he hears he is wrong more he will go against it to try prove he is right but he did get you to the only champions league final in your history and unbeaten through a season and won your first double.

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Before 1990 achieving a double was something to be very proud of as it was difficult, Arsenal's last double was in 2001/02 & the other was in double easy street of the 90s

There was another manager who stuck around far longer than he should have on the basis that he was once very successful & he even managed to win a pair of European Cups, I do not see Arsenal ever being at risk of a sad relegation like Forest but the similarities are startling.

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We weren't some Championship club before Wenger came along ffs :D We won a lot more trophies in the 10 years before Wenger came along than we have in the last 10 years.

Don't feel sorry for him' date=' one of the best paid managers in world football but also with the safest job in world football.[/quote']

Haha I understand he is one of the best paid managers, doesn't spend money, play great football against the games your expected to win but roll over in big games. I think you finished around 9th when he took over from Bruce Rioch and when George graham left I don't recall you winning trophies.

Every season I say same thing dominant centre back, hard ball winning midfielder and a striker who can score every other game but you buy players you don't need and that performance at Old Trafford was shocking.

I'm just saying he has done a lot and when he does leave I hope he gets good reception rather than cheers of about time you stubborn old man that's most polite way I can put it on here ;)

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WE DON'T NEED A BALL WINNING MIDFIELDER TONY. WE HAVE ONE AND HE'S ****.

We finished 5th in the season before Arsene took over btw.

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That'll be the same George Graham who won 2 league titles (Wenger has 3) & has a very similar 10 year record to Wenger.

Edit: Wenger deserves credit for what he's done but in an era where money counts more that it ever had before his record does not trump Graham's, at best he is his equal.

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Oh come on. Arsene Wenger has been a much better manager for Arsenal than George Graham.

He's failed massively over the past 2 years or so, but everything before that was either good or great from Wenger.

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If I were an Arsenal fan it would be the complete lack of ambition coming from the club that would get me more than anything. Chelsea are coming off a poor season and you can guarantee there will be no "we need to get back into the Champions League next season", it'll be "what do we need to do to be challenging for the title again?". Whereas Arsenal and their manager still see 4th place as a successful season. I mean Wenger saying the club is moving in the right direction is just ridiculous, Arsenal haven't 'moved' anywhere for years. They keep repeating the same old failings and mistakes over and over.

Spurs and Leicester have overtaken/caught up with them this year, what happens when Man Utd, Chelsea and maybe even Liverpool get their acts together? Without changes Arsenal can kiss goodbye to being a fixture in the top 4.

Ha, it feels weird ranting about a club that isn't your own! They're just so damn frustrating though :D

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Wenger has been a much better manager for Arsenal than Graham. You'd have to be obtuse to only measure success in trophies and on the pitch success. It should be clear to everyone that he has transformed the club from a big name which has been quite successful into one of the elite clubs in this country and Europe (ish). Only two clubs have managed that without billionaire owners- Man U and us. It is revisionism of the extreme to not see that Wenger has been an incredible manager for this club even if at times his on the pitch successes have either been over stated or not immediately apparent to the eye.

Not sure how it can be the case that Arsenal as a club will be happy with this season. I mean if even the most ardent pro-Wenger people are annoyed by it then it is a big leap to suggest the club is so myopic it won't also be very disappointed with this season whether we finish second, fourth or fifth.

Arsenal's problems are pretty clear cut really. We are a bad team. We have a very good squad one of the best in the league if not the best. Wenger however isn't putting them into a position to succeed. Whether it be from the inexplicable approach to building play (Coquelin and Gabriel, really?), to missing our most obvious need (DM??), to not building a squad from which he can pick teams which can function together within his style of play, it is a real mess. There have always been flaws with Wenger's style of management much like there is with nearly every manager however now his judgement calls tend to be wrong in a quite obvious fashion.

He will in all likelihood still be manager next season as the club aren't going to push him though they perhaps should. There aren't any obvious candidates available any more and unless this season really falls apart he won't resign.

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Those contract extension talks with Sanchez and Ozil could be interesting if we don't make top 4.

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You're right to say it is wrong to consider onfield success and trophies the only measure of success, but you've gone too far the other way. Bit silly to call us an elite club. We're a big club, but until we start winning the league again we're a big club in the same way Liverpool are a big club.

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Those contract extension talks with Sanchez and Ozil could be interesting if we don't make top 4.

Don't think it will be interesting, i think they would both want out.

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