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Are you honestly saying that you don't see an issue with blocked crosses

I have to say since the last update I've noticed much less of this. To be honest though, I don't really have any yardstick to compare it with as I've no idea how many crosses are blocked on average in a game in real life.

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Are super heavy first touches an acknowledged issue?

I just lost a derby because Eder Balanta (maybe the best defender in the world in my save) took a first touch that bounced about 5-10 yards from him directly in front of the goal, serving up a tap in for an attacker. If defenders are going to get "nervous" and take absurd touches like this it makes "distribute to defenders" somewhat unrealistically dangerous.

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End/Start of season meetings still make little sense at times. We're just back and my only option is to say "We've all had a good break, but the hard work begins now. This is going to be a good season for the club". 6 players react badly. What were they expecting me to say? "We're doomed, let's just give up now"? It's not as though I've put unrealistic expectations on them, I've not even said my expectations.

Think I'm just going to holiday through all of these meetings until they're fixed.

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Are super heavy first touches an acknowledged issue?

I just lost a derby because Eder Balanta (maybe the best defender in the world in my save) took a first touch that bounced about 5-10 yards from him directly in front of the goal, serving up a tap in for an attacker. If defenders are going to get "nervous" and take absurd touches like this it makes "distribute to defenders" somewhat unrealistically dangerous.

yes they are

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I think the main issue they're looking at with poor touches is the amount of them the top players make, rather than the poor touches themselves. Think they're looking to tone that down a bit.

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Are there plans for another patch or not? Not asking for dates, just wondering if another one is in the works.

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Are there plans for another patch or not? Not asking for dates, just wondering if another one is in the works.

Yep, the last update is being tested right at the moment.

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efoehaoghaog ihoig egoi hagoeihageoah!!!!!!!!!!!

It's being tested! Without giving a deadline or date or painting yourself into a corner, how long does that process usually take?

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I think the main issue they're looking at with poor touches is the amount of them the top players make, rather than the poor touches themselves. Think they're looking to tone that down a bit.

No, they're an issue all the way down. Speaking as someone who regularly watches his Gateshead side knock the ball 3 or 4 metres with every touch

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efoehaoghaog ihoig egoi hagoeihageoah!!!!!!!!!!!

It's being tested! Without giving a deadline or date or painting yourself into a corner, how long does that process usually take?

How long is a piece of string? They will want to thoroughly test all of the ME changes to makes sure no weird stuff pings out because of a tweak to x, y and z.

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I had a feeling you'd say something like that, and that's fine.

God I hope they've ironed out the biggies. First touch, corners, own goals, keeper blunders. Those are the 4 things that more or less stopped me from playing 2 months ago. There are other gremlins but if they've nailed the big 4 I'll consider them to have passed.

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I had a feeling you'd say something like that, and that's fine.

God I hope they've ironed out the biggies. First touch, corners, own goals, keeper blunders. Those are the 4 things that more or less stopped me from playing 2 months ago. There are other gremlins but if they've nailed the big 4 I'll consider them to have passed.

All of the big issues are due to be addressed - PaulC commented himself about the main outstanding issues some time ago - it will pick up all of your areas of concern, plus others which you didn't mention.

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How long is a piece of string?

Twice the distance from the middle to the end

Good news about the patch though, I've been playing throughout but the corner goals can be incredibly frustrating - especially when you watch your own CB stop it going out for a goal kick by nutting it back into his own 6 yard box where it then ends up in the back of the net

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If this is to be constructive opinion, it's the same I can say about you.

The fact that you are a moderator does not give you the right to offend others.

Unfortunately moderators will always defend the product, despite the fact that it is full of bugs.

I just checked your posting history to see if I have stepped out of line - I haven't.

Constructive opinion is welcome. Toys out of pram, repeatedly, are not.

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Might have mentioned this before.

It would be nice if your staff, which is set to bring youth players to the club, would recognise that the player they're signing

is the exact same player i had released a month earlier; due to him being not needed any longer.

I released him for a reason.

Yes, i could change the staff responsibilities but that would really make the feature pointless, as it's there for a reason

and i'm using it.

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So...any ETA on the ME Update?

No. As has already been answered this evening, it will be ready when it is ready.

A little more patience will be rewarded.

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So...any ETA on the ME Update?

It's less than an hour since that was last answered, with the same answer it always is. No ETA, it will be released when it's ready.

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It's less than an hour since that was last answered, with the same answer it always is. No ETA, it will be released when it's ready.

No need to get edgy. I'll make sure to check previous pages for information next time.

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No need to get edgy. I'll make sure to check previous pages for information next time.

It was a few posts above yours, so you won't need to use much energy to find it next time.

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Done a few experiments today and I must say the amount of crosses blocked or intercepted is really ruining the game. Wingers with far better acceleration and pace than the full back are not delivering as instructed. They seem to go past the defender and check thus allowing said defender to get a block in. Done experiments with drill, float, cross early and standard and it seems the same across the board. This obviously causes the problem in a lone tall striker not scoring goals.

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Done a few experiments today and I must say the amount of crosses blocked or intercepted is really ruining the game. Wingers with far better acceleration and pace than the full back are not delivering as instructed. They seem to go past the defender and check thus allowing said defender to get a block in. Done experiments with drill, float, cross early and standard and it seems the same across the board. This obviously causes the problem in a lone tall striker not scoring goals.

It's interesting you say that, because in another experiment that somebody else did over the weekend, Crouch at Stoke, Berbatov at Fulham, Long at Hull and some Dutch bloke at Norwich, (I think), all seemed to be doing rather well in similar circumstances.

It seems to me that we can't score goals from 1v1's, we can't score goals from outside the box, free-kicks are a rarity, an noe you want to add crosses for goals to the list. I know that OG's happen too often, but at this rate they will be the only goals we can score.

:lol:

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It's interesting you say that, because in another experiment that somebody else did over the weekend, Crouch at Stoke, Berbatov at Fulham, Long at Hull and some Dutch bloke at Norwich, (I think), all seemed to be doing rather well in similar circumstances.

It seems to me that we can't score goals from 1v1's, we can't score goals from outside the box, free-kicks are a rarity, an noe you want to add crosses for goals to the list. I know that OG's happen too often, but at this rate they will be the only goals we can score.

:lol:

I get a few free kicks!!! In fact most of the goals I get are from set pieces although I don't concede from set pieces ironically but I tend to put full backs on posts for free kicks as well!!

It could be tactical but I have tried 442, 4321, 451, 4411 with wingers, IF's, DW's on support, attack. Strikers as TM, DLP, DF, AF, with AM's, SS's, you name it I have tried it. And the wingers are getting in positions to cross it's just that the full backs seem to have large shin pads!!!

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It's coming up to a month since I last played FM 2014, 19/01/2014 was when I decided to give up. I couldn't handle the random crashes where I couldn't click Continue (Ubuntu), and the annoying problems with the match engine any longer. I do have trust in SI fixing the problems soon however.

Still its faired better than Simcity, which I've completely given up hope on.

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Granted I'm only 15 games in, but literally every goal I have conceded is from a corner.

Literally? Would be curious to see proof of that. Not saying you're lieing, but seems a bit far-fetched.

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really hope corner bugs will be fixed.

No. As has already been answered this evening, it will be ready when it is ready.

A little more patience will be rewarded.

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Just too many goals in FM14..goalkeepers are terrible..

5 goals conceded when they have 6 shots on target...

Not every time, but almost every time I see a ridiculous post, I look to the left and what do I see...... your name. :lol:

Let's ignore Luton 7 - 0 Hereford, Motherwell 4 - 3 Partick Thistle, Linfield 6 - 0 Ballinmallard and other results outside the Premiership that happened just this weekend and look at just Premiership matches.

Newcastle 0 - 4 Spurs.

Fulham 2 - 3 Liverpool.

Liverpool 5 - 1 Arsenal.

Aston Villa 4 - 3 West Brom.

Spurs 1 - 5 Man City.

Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton.

Man City 4 - 2 Cardiff.

Stoke 3 - 5 Liverpool.

Fulham 1 - 4 Sunderland.

Swansea 2 - 3 Man City.

West Ham 3 - 3 West Brom.

Hull 6 - 0 Fulham.

Newcastle 5 - 1 Stoke.

Southampton 2 - 3 Swansea.

Fulham 2 - 4 Man City.

Spurs 0 - 5 Liverpool.

Man City 6 - 3 Arsenal.

Everton 4 -1 Fulham.

Liverpool 4 -1 West Ham.

Stoke 3 - 2 Chelsea.

Liverpool 5 - 1 Norwich.

Southampton 2 - 3 Aston Villa.

Sunderland 3 - 4 Chelsea.

West Brom 2 - 3 Man City.

Everton 4 - 0 Stoke.

Man City 6 - 0 Spurs.

Everton 3 - 3 Liverpool.

Swansea 3 - 3 Stoke.

Liverpool 4 - 0 Fulham.

Southampton 4 -1 Hull.

Man City 7 - 0 Norwich.

Liverpool 4 - 1 West Brom.

Man Utd 3 -2 Stoke.

Crystal Palace 1 - 4 Fulham.

Arsenal 4 - 1 Norwich.

Chelsea 4 - 1 Cardiff.

Swansea 4 - 0 Sunderland.

Everton 3 - 2 Newcastle.

Aston Villa 3 - 2 Man City.

Man City 4 - 1 Man Utd.

Newcastle 2 - 3 Hull.

West Ham 2 - 3 Everton.

Cardiff 3 - 2 Man City.

Man City 4 -0 Newcastle.

Swansea 1 - 4 Man Utd.

Now those are just the Premiership games from this season where either 1 side scored 4 or more or where the total goals were at least 5. Looking at your username, I have highlighted the results from just 1 particular team that might be of interest to you.

We have already clarified, (looking at the tactics you create), that you have a penchant for tactics with little substance in the middle that is actually quite likely to encourage these big scores, so why should we be surprised when you show us a 5-4?

Your posts don't show up what is wrong with the game, (I have never had a 4-5 in 11 seasons of my save now). They show up something else entirely and I will be polite and not spell it out for you.

Look. You have asked for and received advice, and then chosen to ignore this advice. Why don't you just do us all a favour and give it a rest.

[Oooh. I've just remembered I have a list. It's been a while.]

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Four of those goals had nothing to do with my tactics and were unpreventable!

One from a corner, one penalty and two from freekicks!!

My tactic I'm using is good, has me Top of the German league and have beaten Arsenal and Bayern M already...

I have taken advice, gone back to basics and made a simple effective tactic which is 100% fluid

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Four of those goals had nothing to do with my tactics and were unpreventable!

One from a corner, one penalty and two from freekicks!!

My tactic I'm using is good, has me Top of the German league and have beaten Arsenal and Bayern M already...

I have taken advice, gone back to basics and made a simple effective tactic which is 100% fluid

And how were those corners, free-kicks and penalties won? To say that tactics were nothing to do with those is just not right. Surely you can see that it's possible that leaving your defence exposed (if that's what you did) could lead to you conceding a penalty or free-kick you wouldn't have if you were better set up?

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I can handle conceding 5 in a game if its my open tactics...

1st goal..free kick delivered in..defenders bobble it about until it goes in

4th goal...free kick...header at back post unmarked defender...I have tight marking as my instruction..

5th goal...just long through ball...rifled straight through the goalkeeper...

If I had scored 5 in that game I would have conceded 6... No doubts..

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Given you are 'top of the German League', I'm assuming this doesn't happen every week? Therefore take it for what it is, a game you've conceded a lot of goals, mostly from set pieces, and move on. If you're conceding 5 set piece goals every game, then there's an issue somewhere.

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I can handle conceding 5 in a game if its my open tactics...

1st goal..free kick delivered in..defenders bobble it about until it goes in

4th goal...free kick...header at back post unmarked defender...I have tight marking as my instruction..

5th goal...just long through ball...rifled straight through the goalkeeper...

If I had scored 5 in that game I would have conceded 6... No doubts..

And again you're not addressing what I mentioned. Why did you concede these? That's down to your tactics.

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You know all these "Super-tactics" that you can go and download..... Has anyone checked what the defend corner instructions are?

As someone who has looked a lot at defensive set-pieces, I would be interested to know.

Also, as they have to be individually tweaked to fit your own players, how do people who just download a tactic and play, expect to NOT concede from set-pieces.

I am pretty sure that if I gave my current tactic, (which is very striong defensively, especially at corners), to Dave or forameuss, then they would concede lots of goals if they didn't swap who does what. It's quite possible that it wouldn't even work for them at all because they might not have the players able to do certain things that my instruction asks of them.

By the same token, (I think Dave has a decent corner set-up too), if i started using his hook line and sinker, I would encounter exactly the same problems. I effectively have 4 centre-backs in my team, and an AF who us very dominant in the air. I wouldn't expect to see many other teams have such strength in that area, (although there are obvious weaknesses elsewhere).

I'm a bit bemused why this is so hard for some to get their heads round.

If you concede from a corner, why isn't it your fault? It's certainly my fault when I concede from a corner. Why is there a "freeby" on corner responsibility?

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Not every time, but almost every time I see a ridiculous post, I look to the left and what do I see...... your name. :lol:

Let's ignore Luton 7 - 0 Hereford, Motherwell 4 - 3 Partick Thistle, Linfield 6 - 0 Ballinmallard and other results outside the Premiership that happened just this weekend and look at just Premiership matches.

Newcastle 0 - 4 Spurs.

Fulham 2 - 3 Liverpool.

Liverpool 5 - 1 Arsenal.

Aston Villa 4 - 3 West Brom.

Spurs 1 - 5 Man City.

Liverpool 4 - 0 Everton.

Man City 4 - 2 Cardiff.

Stoke 3 - 5 Liverpool.

Fulham 1 - 4 Sunderland.

Swansea 2 - 3 Man City.

West Ham 3 - 3 West Brom.

Hull 6 - 0 Fulham.

Newcastle 5 - 1 Stoke.

Southampton 2 - 3 Swansea.

Fulham 2 - 4 Man City.

Spurs 0 - 5 Liverpool.

Man City 6 - 3 Arsenal.

Everton 4 -1 Fulham.

Liverpool 4 -1 West Ham.

Stoke 3 - 2 Chelsea.

Liverpool 5 - 1 Norwich.

Southampton 2 - 3 Aston Villa.

Sunderland 3 - 4 Chelsea.

West Brom 2 - 3 Man City.

Everton 4 - 0 Stoke.

Man City 6 - 0 Spurs.

Everton 3 - 3 Liverpool.

Swansea 3 - 3 Stoke.

Liverpool 4 - 0 Fulham.

Southampton 4 -1 Hull.

Man City 7 - 0 Norwich.

Liverpool 4 - 1 West Brom.

Man Utd 3 -2 Stoke.

Crystal Palace 1 - 4 Fulham.

Arsenal 4 - 1 Norwich.

Chelsea 4 - 1 Cardiff.

Swansea 4 - 0 Sunderland.

Everton 3 - 2 Newcastle.

Aston Villa 3 - 2 Man City.

Man City 4 - 1 Man Utd.

Newcastle 2 - 3 Hull.

West Ham 2 - 3 Everton.

Cardiff 3 - 2 Man City.

Man City 4 -0 Newcastle.

Swansea 1 - 4 Man Utd.

Now those are just the Premiership games from this season where either 1 side scored 4 or more or where the total goals were at least 5. Looking at your username, I have highlighted the results from just 1 particular team that might be of interest to you.

We have already clarified, (looking at the tactics you create), that you have a penchant for tactics with little substance in the middle that is actually quite likely to encourage these big scores, so why should we be surprised when you show us a 5-4?

Your posts don't show up what is wrong with the game, (I have never had a 4-5 in 11 seasons of my save now). They show up something else entirely and I will be polite and not spell it out for you.

Look. You have asked for and received advice, and then chosen to ignore this advice. Why don't you just do us all a favour and give it a rest.

[Oooh. I've just remembered I have a list. It's been a while.]

No you are wrong, there is a big issue with too many goals scored between AI teams and goals from corners and it's aknowledged by SI in the bugs forum.

Look at the evidence and thell me that any professional team in this world would have results like this every week.

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andu1. Show me where a member of SI staff states that there are too many goals scored from corners. They have not said this.

It has been reiterated, (in this thread even), time and time again that they are NOT looking at this.

Hang on a minute and I will get you a recent quote.

[Edit]

Ok. Here is a quote. It's not the one I was looking for, but it does the job.

Short answer, no. I hope I don't sound blunt and wholeheartedly apologise if I do, its because I've covered this before so many times the topic has become incredibly dull.

SI's own results show that this is not the result. The whole point is that the numbers fall in line with real life generally. Partly because corners themselves could be improved in quality in terms of direction and deliverance. There is more to corner than people have given it thought for

We dont have too many corner goals in game so this doesn't matter. Besides lack of variety would stem from needing to improve attacking decision making.

Nope, not even remotely related. That is an entirely separate set of things to look at.

Now that was taken from the Mythbusting thread if you want to read it in contect. The crux of it is though.

SI are NOT looking at reducing goals from corners. The reason they are NOT looking to do this is because they DO NOT think there are too many goals from corners right now.

How is that not clear enough?:confused:

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I'm not really complaining about the conceding of the goals, my issue is that of the game itself..

I don't feel it's enough to just click on 'def set pieces' before a game and hope that you don't concede from a corner or freekick

The game gives us no feedback on whether it has been successful or my defenders/goalkeeper are able to defend them..

We have no instruction to tell defenders to clear lines quickly or tell the goalkeeper to come out and punch ball...

Irl if a team concedes numerous set piece goals...the training ground would be where to get it sorted..

Defensive position, attacking movement, teamwork etc the options we have at the moment are just vague phrases where I cannot

see what actual good it does...or what benefit to my team actually happens as a result...

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1. Are there any ramifications for referees that really mess up in a match or get really poor ratings for a match or make some Really BIG BAD decisions in a game? or is the referee stats just there for aesthetic purposes?

2. it's been a long long while since any SI staff actually posted on this thread.. It's not really good for us, endusers. as it makes it appear as though you guys aren't following the thread or the issues that are being raised.. i'd love you guys to post responses more occasionally so that it'd be clear to all that you guys are interested in our issues. A big thumbs up to the normal guys (non-SI staff) that are busy answering queries on here though

3. We need some sort of timeline or any sort of news really on the next patch to the game..

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andu1. Show me where a member of SI staff states that there are too many goals scored from corners. They have not said this.

It has been reiterated, (in this thread even), time and time again that they are NOT looking at this.

Hang on a minute and I will get you a recent quote.

don't bother.

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/384706-Reviewed-Ridiculos-results-between-AI-teams

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1. Are there any ramifications for referees that really mess up in a match or get really poor ratings for a match or make some Really BIG BAD decisions in a game? or is the referee stats just there for aesthetic purposes?

2. it's been a long long while since any SI staff actually posted on this thread.. It's not really good for us' date=' endusers. as it makes it appear as though you guys aren't following the thread or the issues that are being raised.. i'd love you guys to post responses more occasionally so that it'd be clear to all that you guys are interested in our issues. A big thumbs up to the normal guys (non-SI staff) that are busy answering queries on here though

3. We need some sort of timeline or any sort of news really on the next patch to the game..[/quote']

1. Not really sure, I don't think so. Would be nice if this is added in, with how it usually works in England, but is this the case in all countries? It's not a massive miss for me.

2. SI very rarely comment as a rule, but they do monitor the thread. If they did post more often, all they'd get is abuse, which is why they stopped posting for the most part. They're a lot more active in the bugs forum (the devs/testers at least).

3. No we don't. Absolutely not. As soon as they put a timeline on it, there's a chance that it'll slip, which would just lead to more abuse from the general populace. They do it absolutely correctly right now from their own perspective, and that's all that really matters to be honest, whether it frustrates users or not.

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andu1. Show me where a member of SI staff states that there are too many goals scored from corners. They have not said this.

It has been reiterated, (in this thread even), time and time again that they are NOT looking at this.

Hang on a minute and I will get you a recent quote.

[Edit]

Ok. Here is a quote. It's not the one I was looking for, but it does the job.

Now that was taken from the Mythbusting thread if you want to read it in contect. The crux of it is though.

SI are NOT looking at reducing goals from corners. The reason they are NOT looking to do this is because they DO NOT think there are too many goals from corners right now.

How is that not clear enough?:confused:

Do you really want to make me start up the game to post some pictures with 3 of my Central Defenders scoring over 10 goals in a season?

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Do you really want to make me start up the game to post some pictures with 3 of my Central Defenders scoring over 10 goals in a season?

I might just do that anyway.

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p.s in the last season i just gave the defendrs instructions to go forward and their scoring reduced. I was getting tired seeing Varane outscoring Isco

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I give up. Forget it. There is simply no helping people who don't want to be helped so I'm gonna stop trying. You all carry on conceding bucket-loads of corners while others concede very few. [headbang]

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