RSB Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Are the 165 touches and 145 passes stats for Cleverley for England true? I know he likes to move the ball about quickly but that's 1.13 touches a pass which seems incredibly low. It's what WhoScored have. Other stats include 2* assists; 7* key passes; 3* tackles; 97% pass completion; 6 crosses; of which 50%* were accurate; 8 long balls; of which 7 were accurate; and 1 dribble, which is unimpressive in isolation but does lower that touch per pass average that bit more. Asterisked stats are those where he outscored anyone else on the team. Would have had the pass completion too, but for Hart and Walcott's 100%s (from 8 and 1 pass respectively). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It's what WhoScored have. Other stats include 2* assists; 7* key passes; 3* tackles; 97% pass completion; 6 crosses; of which 50%* were accurate; 8 long balls; of which 7 were accurate; and 1 dribble, which is unimpressive in isolation but does lower that touch per pass average that bit more. Asterisked stats are those where he outscored anyone else on the team. Would have had the pass completion too, but for Hart and Walcott's 100%s (from 8 and 1 pass respectively). I know it was San Marino, but those are impressive stats. Watch him get dropped for Stevie Me against Poland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I know it was San Marino, but those are impressive stats. Watch him get dropped for Stevie Me against Poland Yeah, that's why I wanted to highlight the areas where he was superior to everyone else. May be 'only' San Marino, but still better than anyone else against the same opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Are the 165 touches and 145 passes stats for Cleverley for England true? I know he likes to move the ball about quickly but that's 1.13 touches a pass which seems incredibly low. I know it's only San Marino but apparently it's some kind of England record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Personally thought Cleverley was Englands best player the other night, will be very disappointed if he's dropped for tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovejoy! Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 just made a cheeky quick visit to duncan edwards' grave. so young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 King scored for Norway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Was literally posting about J.Evans having a stormer for N.I when he picked up a knock. I hope it is not serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 King needs a first team chance. He is doing everything he can to earn it. I can just see another situation of a player becoming a star elsewhere otherwise with him. Yep, a bit like Diouf. Not really good enough to start for us (and with very heavy competition now), but good enough to do well elsewhere. Needs to work on finishing and composure ahead of goal, but there is plenty of talent in him to get a good footballing career. Has set himself a deadline by Xmas to make the team, so if he sticks to that he'll want away either in January or the summer. Apparently the same with Macheda. Can't be easy. They know it's very, very difficult to make the team, so it's probably best for both if they leave. Not quite fair on them to keep them around in case we get a defence like injury crisis up front. When even Chicharito struggles for minutes, it's nigh on impossible for the likes of King and Macheda. On a similar note, in hindsight, I think it was best for Eikrem to leave and get to play football every week ahead of training with better players. He has now made the Norwegian national team and is central to the title-chasing Molde, with foreign interest building up. Can see him getting a move abroad either after the Norwegian season has ended or the following summer. We have lots of good players that "got away", but we can only field 11 players too, so it's bound to be like that with a talent factory like ours. I just hope some among our current youths will make the cut. That team excites me a lot. Damn annoying Pogba will become a star though If he doesn't leave again on money issues, he'll be central in that Juventus team in a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Apparently we're willing to sell Nani for 12 million. Either the management is high on something or the press is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The press is. There is no logical reason to think we'd get less than 20m even if we went around screaming "PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WON'T SOMEBODY RID US OF HIM???" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The more worrying thing than these preposterous values being bandied about, are all the rumours of him leaving. No smoke without fire Don't want him to leave at all, but at this point it is becoming harder and harder to believe he is still a central piece in Ferguson's plans. If we sell him for anything less than 25m, we're stupid. Also, if the idea is to continue with a more narrow diamond-like formation in the future, it makes even less sense to sell Nani, who can play on both sides. Of our wingers, Young is the one that has impressed me the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Nani doesn't fit the new formation imo, if we are going forward with that then he has to go or adapt massively. But for 12 million? That would be criminal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If (and it's a pretty big if) those stories are true then i have no doubt he'll be shipped out sooner rather than later tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 So would stabbing Fergies wife then buggering all his grandkids, doesn't mean it actually happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 IF it happened (a big if), it happened a long time ago, while Eikrem was still in the club, so he clearly wasn't sent off packing his bags. He's a top-top player, probably the best technician we have in the club now, besides Scholes (totally different 'type' ofc), and he can decide matches on his own. Don't think it would be a good idea to sell him at all. Would also hate to see him rip teams apart playing for Real Madrid, Juventus, Anzhi, PSG, or whoever might be interested. Get that contract sorted so we can all relax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The Eikrem one happened a while ago, then there was the story of him punching a young player a few weeks back. It's not about isolated incidents any more if it happens repeatedly. I'd love to see him go to Anzhi if we sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Your hatred for Nani has been established pretty well, but a couple of ifs hardly make him a repeat offender of nastiness. If I was SAF I'd be more worried about one of our players crashing his car with alcohol in his veins than a player (possibly) forcing a youth player to use a different training bike. If true it says something about him as a person, but it would have had (and had) zero impact on his United future. If we were to sell him, Anzhi would be the lesser evil, but I'd much rather we keep him. If we were to buy a player like him in today's market we'd be looking at 35-40m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 The Nani gym stories are obviously horse****, you can keep expecting him to go but he won't, theres no benefit to losing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Your hatred for Nani has been established pretty well, but a couple of ifs hardly make him a repeat offender of nastiness. If I was SAF I'd be more worried about one of our players crashing his car with alcohol in his veins than a player (possibly) forcing a youth player to use a different training bike. If true it says something about him as a person, but it would have had (and had) zero impact on his United future.If we were to sell him, Anzhi would be the lesser evil, but I'd much rather we keep him. If we were to buy a player like him in today's market we'd be looking at 35-40m. You see, this is nonsense. I've plainly stated that there's big IF on all of this, I've not once said that since there are allegations he must be sold and is a horrible person. What I've said is that IF these stories are true then he'll be on his way out. And the utter irrelevance following the bolded part IF the Nani stories are true then he's creating a hostile environment for the younger players. There is simply no doubting or denying that. It's not very likely that Sir Alex will be going "Well, I should be doing something about this Nani situation but young Ryan has some very serious personal issues, I'll just completely ignore everything else". Tunnicliffe (sp?) is a big worry, there's no doubting that. But that has got absolutely nothing to do with the other issue. Well... I guess Nani could have bullied him so much he took up daydrinking and tried suiciding by drink driving? And please, for the love of whatever holy thing you believe in, don't take that pondering seriously, yeah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Nani doesn't fit the new formation imo, if we are going forward with that then he has to go or adapt massively. Not so sure about that. Reckon he'd be pretty at home at the tip of the diamond (albeit playing in a completely different manner to Rooney, but then who wouldn't?) - always roams freely from flank to flank and into the 'hole' when he's in a nominally wide position anyway. Was brilliant in a central role against Bayern a couple of years back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCCG Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yeah I think he's good enough to play across attack, and can help overload on either side when we need it, similar to what Ozil does. I can see the diamond becoming a 4-1-2-3 at various points during the game, that seems like a good option for our team especially when we are dominating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 You see, this is nonsense. I've plainly stated that there's big IF on all of this, I've not once said that since there are allegations he must be sold and is a horrible person. What I've said is that IF these stories are true then he'll be on his way out.And the utter irrelevance following the bolded part IF the Nani stories are true then he's creating a hostile environment for the younger players. There is simply no doubting or denying that. It's not very likely that Sir Alex will be going "Well, I should be doing something about this Nani situation but young Ryan has some very serious personal issues, I'll just completely ignore everything else". Tunnicliffe (sp?) is a big worry, there's no doubting that. But that has got absolutely nothing to do with the other issue. Well... I guess Nani could have bullied him so much he took up daydrinking and tried suiciding by drink driving? And please, for the love of whatever holy thing you believe in, don't take that pondering seriously, yeah? 2+2 = 9. A couple of small conflicts/issues (which we don't even know is true) doesn't make him into Joey Barton. But to something completely different. Anyone know anything about Bruno Gomes? Rumours say we have secured a deal for him, and that he will join us in a year or two. A 16 year old Brazilian that has apparently been here on trial a fair few times, from Desportivo Brazil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Yes, because I was saying he was as bad as Joey Barton. I'm eagerly awaiting stories of Nani poking cigars in the eyes of a youth player, only a matter of time. Nice try but just no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 A couple of small conflicts/issues (which we don't even know is true) doesn't make him into Joey Barton. Agreed but if it's true that he has been an a-hole towards the youngsters then he is on thin ice and the minute SAF thinks he is past his best or the team doesn't need him, he'll be gone. Again, IF he is a bit of an idiot attitude wise then it's only good performances that are going to keep him at the club long-term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Agreed but if it's true that he has been an a-hole towards the youngsters then he is on thin ice and the minute SAF thinks he is past his best or the team doesn't need him, he'll be gone. Again, IF he is a bit of an idiot attitude wise then it's only good performances that are going to keep him at the club long-term. WHY ARE YOU CLAIMING HIS BROTHER ASSAULTED SOMEONE WITH AN AXE?? Or does it not work when it's aimed at someone who hasn't explicitely stated their thoughts on Nani previously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Young back, Smalling progressing and no problems from the internationals according to Fergie's presser. Had this on Young which tickled me: Didn’t he get 11 goals for us last season? For a wide player that’s very good. Six in the league; two in Europe. Oh dear Fergie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 we won't be using the system every week, only problem I have with Nani is sometimes he is far from wasteful, no problems with the odd shot, but for me he doesnt cross enough, and takes too many shots which are rushed, or loses possesion setting up to shoot. it is a shame, I want the Nani that played for portugal in the Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Young back, Smalling progressing and no problems from the internationals according to Fergie's presser. Had this on Young which tickled me:Didn’t he get 11 goals for us last season? For a wide player that’s very good. Six in the league; two in Europe. Oh dear Fergie. He included the dives to win penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Bit subdued in here today Manchester United: De Gea; Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra; Scholes, Carrick; Valencia, Rooney, Welbeck; van Persie. Substitutes: Lindegaard, Anderson, Giggs, Hernandez, Nani, Powell, Wootton. Stoke City: Begovic; Cameron, Huth, Shawcross, Wilson; N'zonzi, Whitehead; Walters, Adam, Kightly; Crouch. Substitutes: Sorensen, Palacios, Jones, Owen, Upson, Etherington, Wilkinson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Good team. Nani back on the bench at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 So we're playing with a rotating left "winger" again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Hope that Carrick/Scholes combo is enough for Stoke. Should be. Any idea what's happened to Cleverley for Powell to be on the bench ahead of him? Called Donald Love's mum a slag or something presumably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Concerned that Scholes could react to Stoke's physical side today - not sure it's the best game for him. Rooney or Welbeck on the left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 He's played like a million games. He'll be fine. Sent off for a punch in the first minute then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Will be Welbeck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Scholes is human after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Scholes is human after all Hold your tongue blasphemer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ferdinand refused to wear a Kick It Out top. Making Fergie look silly after his interview on the subject yesterday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ferdinand refused to wear a Kick It Out top. Making Fergie look silly after his interview on the subject yesterday John Terry was wearing one which makes Fergie double stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Stupid tackle. Rooney ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Nice finish Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Stupid foul for free kick, stupid goal to concede Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Don't think he needed to be putting his head on that at all, should be thinking of hooking it away, maybe half focusing on Shawcross behind him and half on the clearence and messed it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Need to see it again but keeper could be coming for that? Pretty close to him. Should be doing better there Welbeck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akura Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 first league goal for rooney, well done. kutgw lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Van Persie crosses for Rooney to finish 1-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 That's a fantastic cross. Good header too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akura Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 he scores when he wants apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 just like Rooney to go 6-7 games without a goal and then get 2 Why do the media keep asking if Rooney and RVP can play together? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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