Football Manager 12.1.1 update *OFFICIAL* Feedback Thread

[Stampler]

could please anybody from Si tell me why this happens ? the whole forum in germany is worried about what happened after the latest patch

Oh please ! Repeating / Trolling juts gets on our nerves. What about a bit of patience.

Unofficial language files are not under SI´s responsibility and therefore they are not to be blamed for if they are not working.

Officially German language is NOT supported by the game, so there is no point in waiting for an official answer by SI.

The makers of the language file will have to find out by themselves obviously.

[BiggusD]

Where can we see what version we are running in the preferences?

Click on Game Status instead.

[Tinkerman84]

We never intended to do much to the ME for any 12.X update. We were quite upfront about it. What changes there are are minimal.

Although i appreciate SI for their efforts to help people solving thier problems , updating some issues etc.. I can not hide my disappointment for being not intented to update the ME for any 12.X.. The progress is too much slow with the most important aspects of the game like ME and AI improvements.. This situation makes me and me like veteran players unsatisfied most of the time ..

[Stampler]

The ME is good at the moment. No need to be improved. So why complain? There are always downsides of "improving" a ME, so be glad they didnt change yet.

[Pipo2525]

No, as with all updates you never need to start a new save game - you're fine to continue your game.

However some changes (such as competition rules and scheduling changes) you'll need to start a new game for them to take affect.

Do the effects of these changes kick in for a new season or do we have to start a new game? Can anyone help

[Neil Brock]

Do the effects of these changes kick in for a new season or do we have to start a new game? Can anyone help

For all competition rules/scheduling changes I'm afraid you will need to start a new game. However yes, for everything else you're fine to continue your game.

[Neil Brock]

Where can we see what version we are running in the preferences?

You can also see in the preferences, at the top it'll state the version number.

[Neil Brock]

Is there coming any official data update before late february/march?

There will be no data update until after the January transfer window.

[Neil Brock]

always annoying that it feels you need to start a new game to get the most of the a new patch - really loving my 1st save moved up ranks and am now Bayern manager

I never get that feeling, I've been playing the same game I started in 12.0.0 to be honest

[Dean Gripton]

Don't see any mention of many of the issues we have raised on the Welsh Data Issues thread' date=' are they going to be addressed in the January patch?

[url']http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/276183-Wales-(Official)-Data-Issues[/url]

Yesterday's update did not include a new database, so issues raised there will not have been included in the update.

All data issues, for all nations, will be addressed for the expected winter transfer window update.

[Smurf]

You know as well as I do that you do not need to touch something directly for it to be effected in the match engine. Many times tweaks on one thing lead to something else being effected, you are a computer programmer Paul for god sake so you know full well these things can happen so for you to give that very short unhelpfull answer to genuine feedback from someone trying to help you fix problems in your game is a bit disapointing.

Could you maybe comment on why throw ins and wide free kicks use the corner settings to set up player positions and why if I have a guy who takes long flat throws into the box that he does it at every chance and I cannot set any option to stop this other than drop him or have him unlearn the move which I don't want to do as sometimes I like long throws but at the moment something you did in the match engine is rendering long throws useless and I cannot do anything about it unless I change my corner set up which is insane. Or do you not agree?

All he said was he didn't touch them. If you feel there's a bug in the forums - the post it in the Bug Forums and they will look into it.

[Neil Brock]

Can someone from SI not ignore why question about the transfer system? Just answer truthfully and stop leaving us concerned about the topic in the dark. Thanks

There have been tweaks made to the transfer system, but you cannot expect to sell average players with high wages to other clubs, it's just not realistic. Even 'free' players you have to realise come with wages. Also some teams budgets will already be full from 'real life' transfers so don't expect to be able to sell many players in the first couple of transfer windows.

[flauta kicma]

is it possible now to score with striker unreal number of goals?

or is it reduced due to the changes made to moral and defenders positioning?

[Tinkerman84]

The ME is good at the moment. No need to be improved. So why complain? There are always downsides of "improving" a ME, so be glad they didnt change yet.

I think its near the same level as FM 10 or 11.. All i expect form the game is" challenging AI, and beautiful match engine".. I didn't get the felling of " wow this year they made such a giant step further.. " I got that feeling when they introduced 2D engine and then waited so long for the 3D engine, and now again I'm stucked to wait for FM 13 to step further.. All i am saying that they 're making lots off other imprevements which for me they are just a make-up features for casual users, but always delaying the giant steps which is disappointing in my opinion..

[milnerpoint]

You cant take giant steps each year tho, it has to be done in stages.

[pigfacemonkeyman]

Update all good here. Took less than 2 minutes and completely without any problems. No extraneous issues and skins still work fine. The promotion/relegation colours bars are all fine for me too. Guess I got lucky?

Lucky X2!

I had no issues with the update on Steam and the game is functioning just fine!!!

Now back to my Whitecaps save!!!

Clearly, the solution to everybody's problems is to move to Canada.

[Chris 'Evo' Evans]

Yesterday's update did not include a new database, so issues raised there will not have been included in the update.

All data issues, for all nations, will be addressed for the expected winter transfer window update.

Oh great, thanks for the update

[Jamie King]

For people who have had issues with the promotion and relegation highlighting issue, there is now a post in the UI Bugs Forum about it where we are trying to gather more information about the exact cause.

Post any informaiton you have in: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/291685

Thanks.

[Tinkerman84]

You cant take giant steps each year tho, it has to be done in stages.

If you target the aim of really improving the game itself, i think it is possible to fasten the improvements may be not every year giant steps but larger steps are possible, if your priority is maximasing the revenue, then it is more than possible to maximise these stages 5 years or so..

I am moanig becuase i believe these valuable people at SI capable of doing much better, and i'm pretty sure they and core users understand exactly what i mean..

[milnerpoint]

I dont understand what people want, last year we got DLR one of the things asked for the most for about 10 years, and this year we got the ability to add and remove leagues, along with a UI overhaul amongst hundreds of other changes. They are not taking baby steps or standing still, these are the two biggest changes since the 3D ME came into the game!

[Bezzler]

No problems here. played it last night without even knowing there was a download until a steam message came up and said "new download complete". I would say it took less than 2 mins to download. I really wonder sometimes why people have so many issues with downloading new patches, i have never had any, maybe there is a large number of Fm players who are not computer savy.

[Johnnyyen]

what if i dont want the game to be updated? How can i do it?

[MartinGregory84]

When processing it still shows attendences and salaries with no decimal points not a big issue but thought this may have been sorted??

[Neil Brock]

what if i dont the game to be updated? How can i do it?

Set your Steam to offline mode and make sure within Steam you've set FM to 'Do Not Automatically Update This Game' - this can be done by right-clicking on FM12 and going to 'Properties' -> 'Updates'.

[theowlm]

I don’t know how can this be, but when a new patch comes out it causes more problems than it solves (most of the times). The only thing that changes in good is the fact that I now can see how many days are left until the next game (a feature that should have been there in the first place, as it was in the older FMs). I will now list the things that makes the game worst for me:

-in the prematch screen if you want to choose the secondary formation to start match with it doesn’t do so, switching to the primary one. If you erase the primarily one and are left with the secondary, at an approximately 5-10 seconds interval game yields ”making tactic changes” and keeps going until the match is over. It doesn’t matter if you do it prematch or during the match(erasing primary tactic). The only solution to make it stop, that I found, is clicking “tactics” button (when it is not greyed out because of the constant tactic changing) and then clicking “cancel” and ”yes” to “discard all changes”.

-opposition scores a lot of goals from set pieces, especially from the corner cheat (near post distribution, player attacks it and scores). When I try to apply the same corner tactic to balance things out, it doesn’t work. (I could be wrong but it seems that opposition through balls are a lot more effective, resulting in a lot of goals conceded , making my defence look horrible).

-team talks have changed 180 degrees.(Neil Brock said it has very little influence on final result, if so why did you temper with them?).If you can’t find proper balance to a feature, it’s a lot better to make it extremely easy to use than extremely hard to use. You went from an extreme to the other and in the wrong direction .

Example: started game with Malaga and as experience I chose “professional footballer”. I could barely get a reaction(positive or negative) from a couple of players , no matter what I said in any of the phases of a match.

-you can’t adjust budget when you want to, and wind up severely disadvantaged on the transfer market.

I also want to know how come when you have a big wage budget the player you are negotiating with asks for a bigger salary and bonuses. If you adjust to have a lower wage budget his demands will decrease. This shouldn’t happen because in real life an agent or player doesn’t know how you manage your finances, it’s not public knowledge.If it where public knowledge there wouldn’t be transfers that have undisclosed fees (in real life).

[PaulC]

In terms of the match engine, we decided to stick with the 11.3 ME ( plus minor tweaks ) for 12 because the stuff we really want to change wouldnt have been ready and would have detracted from the experience.

Instead we are working behind the scenes on some pretty cool ME stuff for future release. And in the meantime we have a stable ME out there to keep the majority happy.

[Johnnyyen]

Set your Steam to offline mode and make sure within Steam you've set FM to 'Do Not Automatically Update This Game' - this can be done by right-clicking on FM12 and going to 'Properties' -> 'Updates'.

I did that when i installed the game and had been playing in offline mode since then. Today i received a news that i had to go online on steam and the update started anyway. I stopped it, wnt to offline mode and now i get a message that says the game is not ready to be played in offline mode.

[Neil Brock]

I don’t know how can this be, but when a new patch comes out it causes more problems than it solves (most of the times). The only thing that changes in good is the fact that I now can see how many days are left until the next game (a feature that should have been there in the first place, as it was in the older FMs). I will now list the things that makes the game worst for me:

-in the prematch screen if you want to choose the secondary formation to start match with it doesn’t do so, switching to the primary one. If you erase the primarily one and are left with the secondary, at an approximately 5-10 seconds interval game yields ”making tactic changes” and keeps going until the match is over. It doesn’t matter if you do it prematch or during the match(erasing primary tactic). The only solution to make it stop, that I found, is clicking “tactics” button (when it is not greyed out because of the constant tactic changing) and then clicking “cancel” and ”yes” to “discard all changes”.

-opposition scores a lot of goals from set pieces, especially from the corner cheat (near post distribution, player attacks it and scores). When I try to apply the same corner tactic to balance things out, it doesn’t work. (I could be wrong but it seems that opposition through balls are a lot more effective, resulting in a lot of goals conceded , making my defence look horrible).

-team talks have changed 180 degrees.(Neil Brock said it has very little influence on final result, if so why did you temper with them?).If you can’t find proper balance to a feature, it’s a lot better to make it extremely easy to use than extremely hard to use. You went from an extreme to the other and in the wrong direction .

Example: started game with Malaga and as experience I chose “professional footballer”. I could barely get a reaction(positive or negative) from a couple of players , no matter what I said in any of the phases of a match.

-you can’t adjust budget when you want to, and wind up severely disadvantaged on the transfer market.

I also want to know how come when you have a big wage budget the player you are negotiating with asks for a bigger salary and bonuses. If you adjust to have a lower wage budget his demands will decrease. This shouldn’t happen because in real life an agent or player doesn’t know how you manage your finances, it’s not public knowledge.If it where public knowledge there wouldn’t be transfers that have undisclosed fees (in real life).

When you select to change tactics to a secondary tactic, either pre-match or during the game, you need to click the 'make starting tactic' button to enforce the changes.

Work your team on defending set pieces within the 'Match Preparation' - also perhaps tinker with your defensive positioning within the 'set piece' instructions

It will be harder to get reaction from your players when inexperienced. Yes, you may well be a 'professional footballer' but Paul Merson was also a professional footballer - if he came into a dressing room and started being a manager I sure as hell wouldn't listen! Seriously though, you have to build up a level of respect with your players before they'll get behind you - which is a much more realistic scenario than it was previously.

I'm not sure about the wage budget issue, if you think there's a bug there I'd very much suggest logging it in our bugs forum so we can take a look. Thanks.

[johnhughthom]

In terms of the match engine, we decided to stick with the 11.3 ME ( plus minor tweaks ) for 12 because the stuff we really want to change wouldnt have been ready and would have detracted from the experience.

Instead we are working behind the scenes on some pretty cool ME stuff for future release. And in the meantime we have a stable ME out there to keep the majority happy.

I have to admit I was very disappointed at the lack of ME update for FM12, that's a reasonable explanation. So long as you know you will be under pressure to produce an exceptional ME for FM 13 if you want to keep my custom.

In saying that, your list of minor tweaks for this patch touch on almost all my ME grips, so I'm looking forward to trying it out.

[Neil Brock]

I did that when i installed the game and had been playing in offline mode since then. Today i received a news that i had to go online on steam and the update started anyway. I stopped it, wnt to offline mode and now i get a message that says the game is not ready to be played in offline mode.

Then I'm afraid you'll have to finish the update as the game was set to automatically install updates when available.

[PaulC]

I have to admit I was very disappointed at the lack of ME update for FM12, that's a reasonable explanation. So long as you know you will be under pressure to produce an exceptional ME for FM 13 if you want to keep my custom.

In saying that, your list of minor tweaks for this patch touch on almost all my ME grips, so I'm looking forward to trying it out.

I cant make any promises for 13 but whenever the stuff does see the light of day I think it will take the game forward.

[Tinkerman84]

I dont understand what people want, last year we got DLR one of the things asked for the most for about 10 years, and this year we got the ability to add and remove leagues, along with a UI overhaul amongst hundreds of other changes. They are not taking baby steps or standing still, these are the two biggest changes since the 3D ME came into the game!

Please don't get angry with me :-) we're just discussing important things about the game improvements.. you confessed something that i want to emphasize.. waitnig almost 10 years for dynamic leauge reputation , or add/remove leagues is way too much.. and i am pretty sure they could do those earlier.. on the other hand i can live without adding or removing leauges and i don't bother GUI improvements so much , but now that i fulfill almost 15 year of playing manager games, i can' live with my midfielder escorting the opponent with a crabwise movement , I do not enjoy beating real madrid without feeling the pressure of facing Mourinho with a turkish club for ex.. i can not enjoy enough when i dominate the world after just 2-3 seasons watching unclever AI.. I don't see any shoulder to shoulder challenges, I can not press enough on opponets half even i have the best pressers and so on.. these are what i call important improvements which i believe can be done in a much more speedy fashion if intented .. however if we are forced to wait 5 years for one big feature , and 10 years for DLR .. It gets hopeless for me ..

[pigfacemonkeyman]

I did that when i installed the game and had been playing in offline mode since then. Today i received a news that i had to go online on steam and the update started anyway. I stopped it, wnt to offline mode and now i get a message that says the game is not ready to be played in offline mode.

Could you please tell me how this news presented itself.

Cheers

xxx

[Johnnyyen]

Then I'm afraid you'll have to finish the update as the game was set to automatically install updates when available.

I love Steam... it's so easy to use. I can abdicate the power to decide what happens in my pc...

Thanks for the fast answers.

[milnerpoint]

Please don't get angry with me :-) we're just discussing important things about the game improvements.. you confessed something that i want to emphasize.. waitnig almost 10 years for dynamic leauge reputation , or add/remove leagues is way too much.. and i am pretty sure they could do those earlier.. on the other hand i can live without adding or removing leauges and i don't bother GUI improvements so much , but now that i fulfill almost 15 year of playing manager games, i can' live with my midfielder escorting the opponent with a crabwise movement , I do not enjoy beating real madrid without feeling the pressure of facing Mourinho with a turkish club for ex.. i can not enjoy enough when i dominate the world after just 2-3 seasons watching unclever AI.. I don't see any shoulder to shoulder challenges, I can not press enough on opponets half even i have the best pressers and so on.. these are what i call important improvements which i believe can be done in a much more speedy fashion if intented .. however if we are forced to wait 5 years for one big feature , and 10 years for DLR .. It gets hopeless for me ..

I didnt think any of that post was made in anger, or came across as such, if it did i apologise it was not ment in that way.

You can live without it, for me adding and removing leagues and DLR are two of the biggest features for me, adding leagues espeically, i now never need to start a new game again, i hate playing with the real database only really enjoy FM when its full of regen players. Which is the point here, just because your not overly interested in the features does not mean they are not hugely important to the game and progressing the game. They maybe could have relased them a few years before, but they could have been very bugged, and those two features not working properly would really "break" the game, so getting them right would be vital. Not everyone is desperate for an ME revolution, even if its the only thing you are waiting for in FM.

[Mons]

I cant make any promises for 13 but whenever the stuff does see the light of day I think it will take the game forward.

Hope we get to see this new stuff in FM13!

[PaulC]

Hope we get to see this new stuff in FM13!

You'll see it at some point, but not decided yet when.

[Coentrao]

Regarding throw-ins this was already happening before the patch, some throw-ins they just ignore the settings and commit a lot of people forward leaving only two on the back.

It happens both ways anyway, the AI does it as well, don't know if that helps Paul tracking down what could possibly be wrong.

[FM Priest]

I go to the trouble of writing a detailed post about a problem in my game, providing a screenshot as hard evidence (post number 312), and not one reply. Bravo! Please could someone from SI acknowledge my post please. (I say this because it seems that a few people from SI have been on this thread since I posted, writing 16 replies in the process).

[Christopher Cox]

I've finally got the game to work having reinstalled - I'm not happy that every time I have to get a patch, I require a full reinstall.

First thing I notice, the graph on my team homepage is wrong. It shows my club as having been relegated the season before I took over. This is not true. It also shows this on competition history.

As with others, I have the green and red problems with the league table.

[Harima83]

Can we expect major upgrades for the editor in next patches?

[Tinkerman84]

You'll see it at some point, but not decided yet when.

milnerpoint, i tried to point out this.. As i understand and feel, even if its done before 13, or 14 they would probably decide to delay that improvement again probably for financial strategies.. I respect the efforts SI make, I respect the people that shares the same views like Milnerpoint.. I am just worried about the deciding part.. I could bet that they would finish it and emloy it to 12 or 13 ... but they would probably intent to implement this to 14 or 15 stuff.. That's breaking my heart , kills the spirit of playing the game.. I even think its much wiser to buy in 3 year periods.. It should't be like that IMO. I wanted to just share my feelings with the comminty..

[Stuart Warren]

I go to the trouble of writing a detailed post about a problem in my game, providing a screenshot as hard evidence, and not one reply. Bravo! Please could someone from SI acknowledge my post please. (I say this because it seems that a few people from SI have been on this thread since I posted, writing 16 replies in the process).

Hey FM Priest - sorry, as I'm sure you can appreciate there is a lot going on in this thread! Generally, if you have a bug or issue to report it will be better served in the bugs forums.

But anyways, have you tried deleting your cache (this is different to Settings)? If so and the problem still occurs, please post in the user interface bugs forum and we'll investigate. Thanks.

[FM Priest]

Hey FM Priest - sorry, as I'm sure you can appreciate there is a lot going on in this thread! Generally, if you have a bug or issue to report it will be better served in the bugs forums.

But anyways, have you tried deleting your cache (this is different to Settings)? If so and the problem still occurs, please post in the user interface bugs forum and we'll investigate. Thanks.

Yes I can appreciate how busy you must be around Christmas, as I'm a designer myself, and have a lot going on, phewww! Sorry if I seemed ubrupt or harsh, that was never my intention. I just found it weird how that image has seemingly flipped to portrait.

I shall give your suggestion a go, and report back my findings, either here or via the interface bugs forum. One thing I'd like to add is that I've added a club crest package and face pack to the game, but I can't see how that would effect the games interface if I'm using the default 'dark skin'. Anyway I shall delete my cache and see what happens.

[cartman051]

I am in the year 2023 in the Croatian first league and the league still has 27 games and a new patch is supposed to fix it.

I expect a new stadium and I have a very good team for which I have struggled all these years. and how I see the patch only works if

I start from scratch. I do not wish to do this because I am not to blame for that. that's what your problem is not the entire year have not worked so now saving with patchis.

why can not do that that it worked in 2023 in the old save game. I paid money for this game and I expect I get what I paid.

I WANT ANSWER ON MY QUESTION

[theowlm]

Please, I really wanna know how to change back to 12.0.4 version.

[Stampler]

I am in the year 2023 in the Croatian first league and the league still has 27 games and a new patch is supposed to fix it.

I expect a new stadium and I have a very good team for which I have struggled all these years. and how I see the patch only works if

I start from scratch. I do not wish to do this because I am not to blame for that. that's what your problem is not the entire year have not worked so now saving with patchis.

why can not do that that it worked in 2023 in the old save game. I paid money for this game and I expect I get what I paid.

I WANT ANSWER ON MY QUESTION

stop trolling. it wont help posting the same post over and over again.

[Ackter]

Please, I really wanna know how to change back to 12.0.4 version.

You can't. Why would you want to?

[theowlm]

You can't. Why would you want to?

-opposition scores a lot of goals from set pieces, especially from the corner cheat (near post distribution, player attacks it and scores). When I try to apply the same corner tactic to balance things out, it doesn’t work. (I could be wrong but it seems that opposition through balls are a lot more effective, resulting in a lot of goals conceded , making my defence look horrible).

-team talks have changed 180 degrees.(Neil Brock said it has very little influence on final result, if so why did you temper with them?).If you can’t find proper balance to a feature, it’s a lot better to make it extremely easy to use than extremely hard to use. You went from an extreme to the other and in the wrong direction .

Example: started game with Malaga and as experience I chose “professional footballer”. I could barely get a reaction(positive or negative) from a couple of players , no matter what I said in any of the phases of a match.

-you can’t adjust budget when you want to, and wind up severely disadvantaged on the transfer market.

[Ackter]

All three of those are bug/exploit fixes.