Sheer Class Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 and PaulC liked it but decided it wasnt going to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheer Class Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Dec 2004 when I came up with it Hi Guys, I have been having some thoughts on this and I think this could be a good extension of Manager AI. They are like the PPM's we have given to players but these are based on the transfer side of the Manager. All my work is done on Premier League Managers but I am sure you can adapt them to other leagues. Wenger - Likes to buy hugely talented youngsters (Buying tendancies) - Only pays big money for extremely talented and high potential players (Buying Strategy) Ferguson - Likes to break transfer record (Buying tendancies) - Prefers to develop youth through club (Buying strategy) Mourinho - Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Buying tendancies) - Has a fixed squad policy 2 players for each position plus a few talented youngsters (Buying Strategy) Redknapp - Likes to sign big name free transfers (Buying tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) McLaren - Likes to buy big name players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign foregin players (Buying strategy) Bruce - Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Buying tendancies) - Likes to sign consistent experienced talented players (Buying strategy) Souness - Will gamble on players with unproven records (Buying tendancies) - ?? Moyes - Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Santini - Likes to buy young talented British players and proven foreign players (Buying Tendancies) - Likes to sign players comfortable on the ball (Buying Strategy) Hughes - ?? - ?? O'Leary - Likes to sign reliable professionals (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Megson - Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Allardyce - Likes to sign players who have had carreers falter (Buying tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Wigley - ?? - ?? Keegan - Will spend whatever money he has on attack minded players (Buying Tendancies) - No apparent strategy is with him, panic buys (Buying Strategy) Worthington - Likes to sign high pace and flair attacking players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Different MPM's Buying Tendancies Likes to buy hugely talented youngsters (Factors involved: PA 170+, age <24) Likes to break domestic transfer record (>£28.1m, English based player CA 180+) Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Teamwork, Workrate >16, CA/PA >150) Likes to sign big name free transfers (CA >140) Likes to buy big name players (Current Reputation >140) Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Ambition >13, Professionalism >14) Likes to buy young talented British players and proven foreign players (English Nationality, >PA 150, >CA 150) Likes to sign reliable professionals (Consistency >14, Professionalism >14) Will spend whatever money he has on attack minded players (AM/F RLC >15) Likes to sign high pace and flair attacking players (Pace >14, Flair >13) Buying Strategy Only pays big money for extremely talented and high potential players (>£15m, >CA/PA 170) Prefers to develop youth through club (<18, PA >150) Has a fixed squad policy 2 players for each position plus a few talented youngsters (First team squad equals 25 players) Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Age >27, CA >135, Age <23, PA >145) Will try and sign foreign players (Nationality: Not British) Likes to sign consistent experienced talented players (Consistency >14, Professionalism >14, Age >25) Likes to sign players comfortable on the ball (Technique >14, First Touch >12, Passing >13) No apparent strategy is with him, panic buys (As transfer deadline approaches will buy anyone who is available and in budget) Lower League MPM's Likes to loan players from higher division Teams Try to sign released youth players from higher division teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegiggs Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 well done sheer class! with your contribution to the game. It is definitely going to improve the game for those interested in long term career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abs_UK Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Originally posted by Sheer Class:Dec 2004 when I came up with it <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Hi Guys, I have been having some thoughts on this and I think this could be a good extension of Manager AI. They are like the PPM's we have given to players but these are based on the transfer side of the Manager. All my work is done on Premier League Managers but I am sure you can adapt them to other leagues. Wenger - Likes to buy hugely talented youngsters (Buying tendancies) - Only pays big money for extremely talented and high potential players (Buying Strategy) Ferguson - Likes to break transfer record (Buying tendancies) - Prefers to develop youth through club (Buying strategy) Mourinho - Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Buying tendancies) - Has a fixed squad policy 2 players for each position plus a few talented youngsters (Buying Strategy) Redknapp - Likes to sign big name free transfers (Buying tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) McLaren - Likes to buy big name players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign foregin players (Buying strategy) Bruce - Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Buying tendancies) - Likes to sign consistent experienced talented players (Buying strategy) Souness - Will gamble on players with unproven records (Buying tendancies) - ?? Moyes - Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Santini - Likes to buy young talented British players and proven foreign players (Buying Tendancies) - Likes to sign players comfortable on the ball (Buying Strategy) Hughes - ?? - ?? O'Leary - Likes to sign reliable professionals (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Megson - Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Allardyce - Likes to sign players who have had carreers falter (Buying tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Wigley - ?? - ?? Keegan - Will spend whatever money he has on attack minded players (Buying Tendancies) - No apparent strategy is with him, panic buys (Buying Strategy) Worthington - Likes to sign high pace and flair attacking players (Buying Tendancies) - Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Buying Strategy) Different MPM's Buying Tendancies Likes to buy hugely talented youngsters (Factors involved: PA 170+, age <24) Likes to break domestic transfer record (>£28.1m, English based player CA 180+) Likes to buy hard working team orientated talented players (Teamwork, Workrate >16, CA/PA >150) Likes to sign big name free transfers (CA >140) Likes to buy big name players (Current Reputation >140) Likes to buy hungry and disciplined players (Ambition >13, Professionalism >14) Likes to buy young talented British players and proven foreign players (English Nationality, >PA 150, >CA 150) Likes to sign reliable professionals (Consistency >14, Professionalism >14) Will spend whatever money he has on attack minded players (AM/F RLC >15) Likes to sign high pace and flair attacking players (Pace >14, Flair >13) Buying Strategy Only pays big money for extremely talented and high potential players (>£15m, >CA/PA 170) Prefers to develop youth through club (<18, PA >150) Has a fixed squad policy 2 players for each position plus a few talented youngsters (First team squad equals 25 players) Will try and sign experienced players with the odd talented youngster (Age >27, CA >135, Age <23, PA >145) Will try and sign foreign players (Nationality: Not British) Likes to sign consistent experienced talented players (Consistency >14, Professionalism >14, Age >25) Likes to sign players comfortable on the ball (Technique >14, First Touch >12, Passing >13) No apparent strategy is with him, panic buys (As transfer deadline approaches will buy anyone who is available and in budget) Lower League MPM's Likes to loan players from higher division Teams Try to sign released youth players from higher division teams </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now thats some good ideas.. I feel something like this will improve the game a lot and move it foward.. Only if it is implemeted correctly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macyst Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 This would add another dimension to the game. Also, please don't forget about Goal Keeper's PPM in the other thread. If possible, adding a few more PPMs for the current ones we have would also be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphieconq Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Good idea but would you still be able to do it for all lower league managers? Also, some managers are bound to recieve the same PPMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nene_Park_Faithfull Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Originally posted by sirdez24:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Desmond-Norman mcphilfordsonboratnice2no: next one would be: Gary Megson- Likes to get relegated <STRIKE>Nigel Quashie</STRIKE> Drewe Broughton could have this as a player one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill b Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 Originally posted by Si BHA:Additionally something like 'Play Kids In League Cup' probably wouldn't be applicable if Ferguson moved to another club where the competition was more important. It could be "tends to play youngsters in minor competitions". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 Graham Arnold- Is **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest barisc Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 And I'd like to repeat my dream about fans' attributes and hope for better implemented and demonstrated chairman/board attributes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Just passing to bump this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uusinjsh Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 really good idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Good idea but would you still be able to do it for all lower league managers? Also, some managers are bound to recieve the same PPMs. There are researchers for other clubs you know, there would be no problem with it. Some players recieve the same PPMs, there's nothing wrong with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rougess Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 this is one of the best ideas i've come across on these forums, especially as this would have a huge impact on manager interaction, etc. for instance, in the game managers never criticise the officials after the game, but different managers could have "always criticises officials" (eg SAF), "never criticises officials", and the rest could be neutral. as it stands, i think i've only seen a manager criticise the ref 2-3 times in fm08 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nots Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 yeh read this a while ago... hope its implemented in fm09 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Oh yeah this is a fantastic idea. I really, really like this. Some I can think of off the top of my head: Stuart Pearce: Never criticises officials Roy Keane/Arsene Wenger: Likes to sign countrymen (or words to that effect) Mark Stimson: Does not tolerate prima donas (Gills manager who has a penchant for lower league players) Sir Alex Ferguson: Likes to try mind games Mark Hughes: Likes to criticise officials Arsene Wenger: Protects his players at all costs (rarely criticises his own players) Arsene Wenger: Likes to buy players with a low reputation McClown: Likes to hide under umbrellas. Anyway, this is a top, top idea. I really like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 and PaulC liked it but decided it wasnt going to happen People seemed to have missed this. It has clearly been discussed as a possible idea at SI but they decided against it. However that was in 2004 and things may have changed now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty bison Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Please can we have this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 first time ive seen this thread, gotta add my own personal to it, some great ideas. i see its been talked about and rejected before, but maybe things have changed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schotsmannetje Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I think this is truly a wonderful idea. I would like to add some characteristics for Dutch managers if you don't mind: - Marco Van Basten: Dislikes players with a high reputation, and/or players that comment a lot through the media. - Bert Van Marwijk: Rarely makes substitutions and if he does it's very late in the game. His teams always play at a slow tempo. - Gertjan Verbeek: Makes his teams do a lot of fitness training and believes attack is the best defense. - Huub Stevens: VERY high squad discipline. - Louis Van Gaal: Never criticizes himself or his own team but argues with everybody else. (you could call him the Dutch Mourinho. In fact Mourinho was his assistent at Barca for a while) - Willem van Hanegem: Has a very "down to earth" way of coaching. I don't really know how to explain that one. He has a very unique type of common sense. Has a strong tendency to buy Moroccan players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracken Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Would be a brilliant idea, would definitely add personality to the AI managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
briz_lad Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 ian holloway: tries to be funny, fails miserably, cant string a sentance together, gets teams in blue relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesYesOhYay Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 great idea i think this would make a great inclusion! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I am also in favour of this idea. Like it very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrooker Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Didn't Juande Ramos make one of his teams play with 10 men because he said they weren't trying hard enough? Wonder if that would be one of the PPMs Anyone know why PaulC didn't want this idea included? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Benitez: Likes to hoard players. Prefers Spanish players Doesn't like to use wingers Thinks that 60 professional players is totally necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Nice idea! It could be added fairly easily from the actions the managers do (including human managers) not from the hidden attributes. Wouldn't need much intrusive altering of the AI, just a means to track what the AI already does (although it could expose weaknesses in the AI...) It's probably then work in FML and in a FM game with a few human managers.... You'd also be able to provoke managers and see what their response does to their reputation.... as per Kevin Keegan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekluse Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Steve McClaren - National Hero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncoordinated Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Slaven Bilic-always beats England... I know this was a month back, but, pardon? Great idea though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesYesOhYay Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 lol so ture (above) welcome to the forums by the way!!! i think it would be great when you are setting your manager up at the start of the game to choose like 3 or 4 options from things like: prefers to sign youngsters likes to mock other managers/ play mind games tends to keep similar squad each game etc etc.... i love this idea! one of the best ive seen in a while in my eyes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Adding them for yourself is a bad idea. Just do them! What will a string of text saying you do them actually do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhorse21 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 next one would be:Gary Megson- Likes to get relegated You're evil.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesYesOhYay Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Adding them for yourself is a bad idea. Just do them! What will a string of text saying you do them actually do? if you said you like to sign youth players, maybe there could be more emphasis on the youth players or something- i dont know! got a bit carried away! guess it would be better to play the game, and if you usually buy younger players, it will add to you manager PPM's list! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antero3000 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Kevin Keegan: -Likes to resign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I like this idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianStark Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 For human managers I'd like to see the FM Live skill system. Reputation would then determine the starting amount of skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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