Guest Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, sp4rtak22 said: what are the best tactics now? Check here and here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Cadoni said: Check here and here. OXFORD best??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, sp4rtak22 said: OXFORD best??? I have used a fair few of Knap tactics since the new patch and for consistency, the Sicilian 4222 is the best, I know MrL test says differently but for me Sicilian was. I have better than the Oxford tactic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 i dont know what knap bes tactics. i think only oxford is the best but it only best for top teams. i used that with city and always not good away games, always beaten by Liverpool (6-0). i dont know what happen to your tactics knap for this years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 As always the test can vary player to player much like anyone saying they've a wonder tactic that won everything when they play as Man City or Liverpool , go figure lol team worth hundreds of millions wins games shocker Everyone is always searching for the golden bullet that'll win the lot with their own favourite team when in reality even in the old days of plug and play tactics using ME exploits folks could still screw it up lol Sicillian was by far and away the best most consistent tactic i've used recently and now having a season with the tweaked Paris one 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 i think MR L tactic testing is more valid than FM Base Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Could also try FM Arena testing... https://fm-arena.com/table/4-Patch-20-2/?team=und&order=pts#options 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, rammalc said: As always the test can vary player to player much like anyone saying they've a wonder tactic that won everything when they play as Man City or Liverpool , go figure lol team worth hundreds of millions wins games shocker Everyone is always searching for the golden bullet that'll win the lot with their own favourite team when in reality even in the old days of plug and play tactics using ME exploits folks could still screw it up lol Sicillian was by far and away the best most consistent tactic i've used recently and now having a season with the tweaked Paris one Oxford is much better than Sicillian. more less conceded and better in away games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, grff said: Could also try FM Arena testing... https://fm-arena.com/table/4-Patch-20-2/?team=und&order=pts#options that rubbish man. i already test it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, ronny said: i think MR L tactic testing is more valid than FM Base Actallly, I`m not so sure. They changed the ABB on the teams. Underdog is now not 120, but 140. And subtop i 165. My underdog team would never have 140 abb. More like 120. And sub top 165, well barca is 168... And that is with Messi at 194 to pull the avr. way up. So I actually trust FMBase more atm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essiko98| Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) Best tactic i have tested so far after the patch. Yes i have only played 10 games but still. Smashed Atletico Madrid 0-6 away, they did get a red card but i was already up by 2 goals then. And do also have a really hard Group in the champions League too. Really good tactic knap :P No transfers. FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf Edited December 25, 2019 by Essiko98| 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matias9102 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Essiko98| said: Best tactic i have tested so far after the patch. Yes i have only played 10 games but still. Smashed Atletico Madrid 0-6 away, they did get a red card but i was already up by 2 goals then. And do also have a really hard Group in the champions League too. Really good tactic knap :P No transfers. FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf 44.84 kB · 17 downloads how with this tactic so good defensive? i try this and concedde many goals (sorry bad English) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 I have looked at ARGUS 352 pts on both MR L and FM Base and the pts totals were about same, I would say both tests are valid but both are producing different results. FM Arena is a fairly meaningless test as they use very high reputation or very low reputation, which distorts how the AI will play against test team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) TIME 442 FM20.2.3TIME442PFWMSPKnapPPositive100EC.fmf Edited December 25, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre62 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 hey @knap can you do a 4-1-3-2TIME please for away games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 @knap Just out of curiosity, do all your tactics have defined and tested set-pieces included too, like corners etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtak22 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 FM 20 is maddening, what tactics would not take necessarily need to lose,no tactic didn't work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, knap said: TIME 442 FM20.2.3TIME442PFWMSPKnapPPositive100EC.fmf 45.05 kB · 27 downloads Knap what is different with this and stargazing tactic as they both look the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 I will see how the other TIME tactics work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 Stargazing uses hit early crosses and is based around that TI. TIME avoids using PIs as I thought it may be useful for those with tablets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 SPs need to work with tactic and therefore I use a variety of set ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, knap said: SPs need to work with tactic and therefore I use a variety of set ups. Cheers, noticed you have a few of them set to "short" so wondering if that was because it's effective? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 I don't think it is any better than other set ups but is reasonable, many find it can waste a lot of corners. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 Added possession screenshot as 56% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, knap said: Added possession screenshot as 56% Knap u. last 4-2-3-1 plz ? Edited December 25, 2019 by ilyes92300 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 Par1s tweak possession? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, knap said: Par1s tweak possession? there are two versions which one to take? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomaya Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I don't trust any tests this year. MRL, FM Base and FM Arena. No proper tests. According to MRL best tactics is Argus and Oxford. I've tried both, but none of them are as good as other Knap tactics. Especially the FM base is a complete comedy. I think the FM arena is the best. there are at least the results and the table is shared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) FM Arena is based on an unrealistic reputation adjustment, that will seldom be met in FM. If you look at results the underdog team actually wins league and performs better than favourite. The favourite does not relate to sub top but favourite in a match. Edited December 25, 2019 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomaya Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 dakika önce, knap said: FM Arena is based on an unrealistic reputation adjustment, that will seldom be met in FM. I don't know what they are doing or how accurately they are analyzing. but 442 beowulf is definitely not the performance at MRL. I've been using your tactics for 2 years. I think the two best tactics you've done this year are beowulf 442 and 4141 (I don't remember the name 4141) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, knap said: FM Arena is based on an unrealistic reputation adjustment, that will seldom be met in FM. If you look at results the underdog team actually wins league and performs better than favourite. The favourite does not relate to sub top but favourite in a match. there are two versions which one to take? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 @ilyes92300 the only difference between the two versions is that one version uses IW and the other one uses IF. So choose what suits your team better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Just now, Par1s said: @ ilyes92300 la seule différence entre les deux versions est qu'une version utilise IW et l'autre utilise IF. Choisissez donc ce qui convient le mieux à votre équipe. IF it's better ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomaya Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 saat önce, ronny said: i think MR L tactic testing is more valid than FM Base fm base absolutely nonsense. But this year I can't trust MRL. because beowolf is the best of all tested tactics there but MRL says Oxford or Argus is the best! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 If you want a favourite guide just use me Lpool pts which will put BEOWULF 442 top, which I know works with Arsenal and Spurs. Underdog I would use best away tactic for underdog test on MR L or FM Base. Unfortunately it is not easy to ascertain. Underdog on MRL would be 4132 on FM Base Sicilian on both ARGUS 352. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Par1s Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) @ilyes92300 Knap test itself and found the IF better. Edited December 25, 2019 by Par1s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Part of the problem with the testing of tactics is that folk just tend to think you can plug n play. This is no longer the case. Mentaility plays a massive part of how a team will perform. I'm using the stargazing tactic with two underdog teams but have had to tweak it because the urgent pressing as well as a very high defensive line is just a recipe for disaster that just results in a massive gap for balls over the top to be knocked in to. Hard tackling doesn't work for me either. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocomaya Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 dakika önce, grff said: Part of the problem with the testing of tactics is that folk just tend to think you can plug n play. This is no longer the case. Mentaility plays a massive part of how a team will perform. I'm using the stargazing tactic with two underdog teams but have had to tweak it because the urgent pressing as well as a very high defensive line is just a recipe for disaster that just results in a massive gap for balls over the top to be knocked in to. Hard tackling doesn't work for me either. I agree. and unfortunately too many cards come out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 A key point about TIME tactics without PIs is that it can be adjusted just with TIs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilyes92300 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, Par1s said: @ ilyes92300 Knap s'est testé et a trouvé l'IF meilleur. thanks bro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) Permission was refused to test this tactics and the post deleted. They then messed up test anyway. Then see comment by tff sister. FM Arena is a joke.. Now deleted tff sister comment|! https://fm-arena.com/tactic/89-Areadbhar-v2/#comment-176 I would avoid this site. Edited December 26, 2019 by knap 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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knas Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Happy holidays everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, cocomaya said: fm base absolutely nonsense. But this year I can't trust MRL. because beowolf is the best of all tested tactics there but MRL says Oxford or Argus is the best! Testing at Mr. L right now is very slow. I think testing tactics right now, for me, is completely useless since 20.3 is near the corner and ME will change. After March will have an idea how tactics in FM20 scores the best; both from FM Base or Mr. L As far for FM-ARENA, it's based on reputation only. Unreliable. I have to agree. Since FM19 it's a combo between CA, Reputation, PR (Player Roles), Mentality and Formation. The introduction of Defence Line of Engagement and Defence Line has completely mess up the game, because you don't have the option of vertical and horizontal lines on tactics. Just saying. Edited December 26, 2019 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, cocomaya said: fm base absolutely nonsense. But this year I can't trust MRL. because beowolf is the best of all tested tactics there but MRL says Oxford or Argus is the best! just tried it man. i already try beowulf and oxford with man city. beowulf is more conceded than oxford. when away games, beowulf is terrible. oxford more stable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
910.duongtanhiep Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Hi Knap. Should I manage the individual training or leave it to assistants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 I leave training to AM, but there is no reason why cannot manage it yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmut Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Reffering to the tests from MRL site, i started a new game with Legia Warsaw using two tactics as a set, depending on where the match is played. I chose Oxford 41221 for matches at home, and Argus 352 for away games. As you see, the results were very good. The main disadvantage is the need to have a fairly flexible squad compositon, because you need to fill many positions, I had difficulties in deciding which individual training should i choose for a specific player, for example when he is playing as a DMC at home, but as a WBL away. I can also recommend using "mentality masterplan" by Optimus (mentioned a few post ago) for learning about the basics of mentality changing during the individual match. Sometimes it requires many changes in one single match, but it's very useful tool in reading the match properly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronny Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 knap, what your best 3 tactics for the latest patch?i want to test it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 Sicilian P101 Original Sympathy and FM 20.2 Northern Soul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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