knap Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 Milan and Parisienne results are finally uploaded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 @knap is the list of new tactics showing best tactic from top to bottom or no special order? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 The lists of new tactics is in date order. Most have now been tested so I will rearrange on next update. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel777 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Milan tactic did well with 17 pts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aricci Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 @knap im playing a network game with friends tried several tactics for arsenal and keep dropping in the pl table. looking for a solid tactic with wingers. anyone a working tactic for arsenal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vauxine Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 hours ago, knap said: FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 FM20.2.3ARGUSknap3322P105.fmf 43.19 kB · 101 downloads I know a little RNG is involved but wow never had such a solid defense.. GOAT Knap 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakanharputlu Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 hi , @knap I wonder which is the best tactic for 442? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wezlaar Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 hours ago, knap said: FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 FM20.2.3ARGUSknap3322P105.fmf 43.19 kB · 140 downloads Not conceding many but struggling to score, seem to struggle to score with most tactics, 1v1’s are rubbish 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 hours ago, knap said: FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 FM20.2.3ARGUSknap3322P105.fmf 43.19 kB · 140 downloads Thought I would give this a go for a couple of games: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispers Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 8 hours ago, rammalc said: As has been said you are playing as a Club that really doesn't lose anyway in that league , play as the bottom Club and it becomes worth looking at as a benchmark Who the **** are you to judge whats worth looking at. Gatekeeping how to measure tactics. Jesus christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 FLAT 442? BEOWULF 442 P107 STMPATHY 442 TIME 442 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicaron Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, whispers said: Who the **** are you to judge whats worth looking at. Gatekeeping how to measure tactics. Jesus christ. WoW, overreacting a bit here? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcanus Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 So which tactic seems to be the most effective atm?I'm kinda lost tbh.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Another amazing result with Argus: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M.F.C Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 il y a 42 minutes, Volcanus a dit : So which tactic seems to be the most effective atm?I'm kinda lost tbh.. Argus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamieac Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Really want to stick with Time/Stargazing 4-4-2s but it just seems so open defensively for me. With most of the players being on support I would have thought it would be pretty solid. Not sure if it's down to the fluid nature where most others are structured. Maybe they just need to get used to the creative freedom which is awkward at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics) OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101 1 7 1 3 4 6 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 2 1 14 FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 3 3 16 FM 20 ARGUS 352 4 19 3 1 3 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 11 6 17 5 8 1 FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD 15 9 20 2 1 7 BEOWULF 442 P107 19 20 13 4 5 3 FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL P101CC 14 26 2 6 6 5 FM 20 SICILIAN 4222 P98 5 5 15 FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102 7 15 7 FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 P107ECFA 6 18 5 FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141 8 16 6 FM 20 BEOWULF 4411 18 12 19 7 7 3 FM 20.2.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF Best tested 4231 20 21 10 8 2 9 FM 20 MILAN 4141 10 17 8 9 9 8 FM 20 SYMPATHY 442 12 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 P102ECCC 9 5 FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220 17 25 4 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2 16 11 18 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS 22 8 FM20 GOODBYE 4132 20 10 FM 20.2.3 TIME 442 13 14 11 FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311 10 24 12 FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA 21 4 FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC 23 13 FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE 22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcallais Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Dear Cuper, The tactic you found on steam the (424 by Ney Jr) is amazing : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1943852049...I am undefeated with Caen in French League 2...only 1 loss and 3 ties. Dear Knap, As you are the boss and magician of tactics since more than 10 years, could you please have a look and maybe make it tested ? Somehow it could help you to create the perfect one (like El Diablo...who knows). Anyway, thanks again for your hard work on tactics...FM 2019 with your 4132 was 100% pleasure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 16 hours ago, vauxine said: I know a little RNG is involved but wow never had such a solid defense.. GOAT Knap Hi there @vauxine, playing game by game or holidays? Excelent results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, knap said: A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics) OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG OVERALL SUB TOP UNDERDOG FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101 1 5 1 3 3 5 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 2 1 7 FM 20 ARGUS 352 3 17 2 1 2 2 FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112) P106 8 6 14 5 7 1 FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221 OXFORD 2 1 6 BEOWULF 442 P107 4 3 3 FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL 6 6 4 FM 20 SICILIAN 4222 P98 4 4 8 FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102 6 13 5 FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2 5 16 3 FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141 7 14 4 FM 20 SYMPATHY 442 11 2 FM 20 MILAN 4141 9 15 6 FM 20 BEOWULF 4411 13 10 FM 20 WULF 4132 P102ECCC 9 5 FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220 FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2 12 9 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS 7 FM20 GOODBYE 4132 7 8 FM 20.2.3 TIME 442 10 12 9 FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311 11 12 FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA 14 3 FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC 11 FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE fm20.2.2 WULF 442 DL P100 11 FM 20WULF 442 P102ECCC 12 FM 20.2.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF 10 FM 20.2.3 PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IW BLUE MATTER 433 DM 451 BLUE MATTER 433 Looks like Argus352 is the overall number 1 tested tactic at the moment! Happy new year Knap and everyone on this forum! Edited December 30, 2019 by Dreambuilder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammalc Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 i guess still with no matter which tactic is 1 , 2 or 3 it depends on the players you have or can afford . For arguments sake it'd be no good having a back 5 if the league you're in is short on CB's you can attract . I think i was fortunate enough that Sicilian worked wonders for my save up until getting promoted to the Prem when I or it struggled . Obviously when gaining a promotion recruitment is key and i perhaps never got the necessary upgrade in player right . That was until i tried the 433 tweaked version of knap's TIME by DavyDepuydt1 . Suddenly it suited who i had and although i've not progressed far i am still on a decent run of 1 defeat in 21 games including friendlies and 13 since that one defeat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagabunda Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Looking forward to FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 test results, as tactics with 3 defenders and wing backs appear to be most efficient again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, wagabunda said: Looking forward to FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 test results, as tactics with 3 defenders and wing backs appear to be most efficient again. I think it has already been tested, it scored 18, so Sicilian still tested better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Spikester said: I think it has already been tested, it scored 18, so Sicilian still tested better. That was an old version of Argus352 P103 tested at FMBase. The new one is P105. Edited December 30, 2019 by Dreambuilder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yeah the name is the older file, but the following was uploaded today and says it has been tested and scored 18: https://fm-base.co.uk/resources/knap-argus-3-3-2-2-tactic.267/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I might be wrong but it said on FM Base that it was tested? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Base Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Spikester said: I might be wrong but it said on FM Base that it was tested? Which one? - it might be that the table hasn't updated since it was posted. We only run two updates per day, morning and evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, FM Base said: Which one? - it might be that the table hasn't updated since it was posted. We only run two updates per day, morning and evening. Well the new Argus tactic uploaded is 105pts in title, I think the one you tested was 103pts but the new one posted today said it has been tested already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM Base Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Spikester said: Well the new Argus tactic uploaded is 105pts in title, I think the one you tested was 103pts but the new one posted today said it has been tested already? It has been tested. The prefix and table update aren't always in sync. The P105 version scored 18/20 overall, 20/20 subtop and 15/20 underdog. I'll run an early table update shortly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagabunda Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Spikester said: I might be wrong but it said on FM Base that it was tested? You're right, 105pts version with a DM is already tested, I checked the table only. So it's 18/20, pretty good. I was wondering if it's gonna be much better than ARGUS 3-5-2 Edited December 30, 2019 by wagabunda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) I dont understand, my players cant score 1v1 against GK . Worst FM until now PS: How i can fix this sh** ?! Edited December 30, 2019 by Ivoensousa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 This is just an example ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ivoensousa said: This is just an example ... This should problably be discussed in another thread, not this one. But 6 clear cut chances missed/saved. How is the morale of the strikers + how high is your team cohesion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivoensousa Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Dreambuilder said: This should problably be discussed in another thread, not this one. But 6 clear cut chances missed/saved. How is the morale of the strikers + how high is your team cohesion? I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ivoensousa said: I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played Yea but your strikers might not be in good form.. That's why I asked how high their morale is and how the morale + team cohesion is. Why dont you check and tell us? That could be part of the explanation besides plain bad luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambro Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 What's the difference between the Parisienne walkways IF & IW? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Inside forward or inverted winger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardohalves Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 horas atrás, Ivoensousa disse: I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played It's happening with everyone... it's the worst ME ever. I'll back to FM just after next big patch.... A lot of bugs, 1v1, stupid defensors, tactics aren't working for underdogs (I've tried every tactic in this forum)... so... the worst ME ever. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambro Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, knap said: Inside forward or inverted winger Seems logical, lol. Early days yet but I'm having much better luck with this vs Sicilian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
William1985 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 After being relegated from the premier league I used the Argus tactic to see if I could get promoted first attempt and I was impressed with the results with no instant results 👍hopefully does as good a job in the PL again 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 29/12/2019 at 11:35, Spikester said: Amazing season! 106points is great: Nice. Did you change mentality sometimes or attacking plug n play all the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeboy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Sicilian or Argus both got me sacked for Everton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 @knap when is next update of the recommended list or what is your overall top recommended tactic at the moment? I'm having a hard time chosing between Wulf4132 and Argus352.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dreambuilder said: Nice. Did you change mentality sometimes or attacking plug n play all the way? Plug n play all the way 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Thr nrw ARGUS should be as good but requires 3CBs. I tend to prefer4132 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 25 minutes ago, knap said: Thr nrw ARGUS should be as good but requires 3CBs. I tend to prefer4132 Thanks! Is the P105IWBIWAPPF the best 4132 version you think, or which one would you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvin0131 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, Leeboy said: Sicilian or Argus both got me sacked for Everton metoo, same here...... i'm useing SHEFF UTD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 It depends if you like a dropped DL. Hopefully when more tactics are tested on MR L there will be a clearer indication of what works best, in what circumstances. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, kelvin0131 said: metoo, same here...... i'm useing SHEFF UTD Lol, sacked for what reasons? Thanks for sharing and I wish you much better luck! I would try one of the Wulf4132, it's quite stable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreambuilder Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Isn't one advantage with Wulf4132 that there are 5 roles on support, which means you can change mentality with greater effect than Argus352 with only 2(1 GK..) roles on support? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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