Icelander83 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The cheek of including Falcao in that Might as well include defenders in that case! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The cheek of including Falcao in that Might as well include defenders in that case! If it means I don't see Fellaini upfront.. i'm including him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think we are going to start really fast tonight and create a few chances early on. If we take one we will win by 2/3 but if like against PSV we don't score then it will be another 0-0. Is that good enough for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Think we are going to start really fast tonight and create a few chances early on. If we take one we will win by 2/3 but if like against PSV we don't score then it will be another 0-0. Is that good enough for us? Only if PSV draw or lose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 years ago that suggestion was met with derision To be fair two years ago his all round game was nowhere near what it is now. He's made real improvements in that area (which as his age and with playing regularly isn't surprising) but I still don't think he's the type of striker we want going forward. Having someone who is so easy to use as a battering ram, even if he has many other talents just invites that kind of football and if there's one thing that would get United fans moaning more than pass-pass-pass it's hoofball. Chelsea with Drogba were a good example of this, aside from the one season under Ancelotti they really just ignored Drogba's other strengths. Bit like England and Crouch actually, took them far too long to figure that out. I think with the players we've signed already (namely Martial and Depay) we need someone who is strong and technical enough to hold up the ball on the ground and quick enough to play in behind. That and they need to be able to score plenty of goals of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman_uk123 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 To be fair two years ago his all round game was nowhere near what it is now. He's made real improvements in that area (which as his age and with playing regularly isn't surprising) but I still don't think he's the type of striker we want going forward. Having someone who is so easy to use as a battering ram, even if he has many other talents just invites that kind of football and if there's one thing that would get United fans moaning more than pass-pass-pass it's hoofball. Chelsea with Drogba were a good example of this, aside from the one season under Ancelotti they really just ignored Drogba's other strengths. Bit like England and Crouch actually, took them far too long to figure that out. I think with the players we've signed already (namely Martial and Depay) we need someone who is strong and technical enough to hold up the ball on the ground and quick enough to play in behind. That and they need to be able to score plenty of goals of course. Do you have any names in particular as to who fits those criteria? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman_uk123 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What a **** day. My grandma died last night Hopefully Manchester United manage to put a slight but temporary dampener on that sad feeling this evening. Won't be easy though. Wolfsburg will be no walk-over, they barely ever lose at home, and I reckon we need to win. I am ever so sorry to read about that, you have my deepest sympathies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Do you have any names in particular as to who fits those criteria? I don't have a scouting team, so whether I do or not doesn't particularly matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Really sorry to hear that . I am ever so sorry to read about that, you have my deepest sympathies. Thanks guys. Not had the best of days, so I hope United can put on a good show in a few hours, or at least get the result we need to go through. I expect we need a win since PSV are at home, but if we can get through with a draw, then by all means get the draw, even if it's another 0-0. If this was a SAF team, even with the exact same football, I don't think a soul would have uttered a thing. Until we crashed out of the CL. A few points off the top spot in the league after 15 matches is hardly a horrible position to be in (although form lately is a concern). Like he always used to say, if we are in the running at the turn of the year, we have a chance. Of course, if SAF had this squad (though he would never have sold so many strikers), we'd probably be 10 points clear by now. But I also think it's fair to say that so many kids wouldn't have gotten the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 To be fair two years ago his all round game was nowhere near what it is now. He's made real improvements in that area (which as his age and with playing regularly isn't surprising) but I still don't think he's the type of striker we want going forward. Having someone who is so easy to use as a battering ram, even if he has many other talents just invites that kind of football and if there's one thing that would get United fans moaning more than pass-pass-pass it's hoofball. Chelsea with Drogba were a good example of this, aside from the one season under Ancelotti they really just ignored Drogba's other strengths. Bit like England and Crouch actually, took them far too long to figure that out. I think with the players we've signed already (namely Martial and Depay) we need someone who is strong and technical enough to hold up the ball on the ground and quick enough to play in behind. That and they need to be able to score plenty of goals of course. Everton don't really use him as a battering ram or play hoofball though, his all round game for them is great now. What you've described as an ideal striker is basically exactly what Lukaku is this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Everton don't really use him as a battering ram or play hoofball though, his all round game for them is great now. What you've described as an ideal striker is basically exactly what Lukaku is this season. I think Dion confused Lukaku with Benteke. Lukaku fits exactly what he mentioned there and is definitely not a battering ram......the curse of being a physical specimen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Varela getting his first start in such an important game. Pretty risky. Hope it pays off. Otherwise the team picks itself really. Carrick for Fellaini the only real choice I guess, or possible Young for Varela. Crossing my fingers we pull through... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Tonight's line up. Can see them running rings around the central 3 of Mata, Fellaini and Schweinsteiger. But if the front 4 click for us it has bags of pace and could cause problems. I'll go for 0-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 That bench What's Young done? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimaH Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Time to smash them 0-0, and win the Champions League with 70% possession and 3rd place in the group stages. At least that's what I imagine van Gaal is thinking right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think Dion confused Lukaku with Benteke. Lukaku fits exactly what he mentioned there and is definitely not a battering ram......the curse of being a physical specimen Everton don't really use him as a battering ram or play hoofball though, his all round game for them is great now. What you've described as an ideal striker is basically exactly what Lukaku is this season. Everton still play their fair share of long balls up to him, they play more long passes than West Ham etc. that are typically counterattacking teams anyway. I wasn't disparaging about his all round game anyway, in fact I was complimentary. The issue is teams will take the easy way out when they have the option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I reckon another 0-0 is on the cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Can't see us winning, not helped by all the injuries, our best chance of progressing is hoping CSKA do us a favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Schweinsteiger is gonna be done by about 60 minutes.. This game is far too fast for him. Getting into good positions but Lingard and Memphis keep choosing the wrong option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 **** me. Just as i think we are making progress they walk through us to score. Better in attack today and worse in defence. Still we can get back in this, we can get in behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wolfsburg are a poor side and we are making them look like world beaters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 None of the team came out of that goal very well but Blind especially showing why he's not a centreboard when it matters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonata Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 This game doesn't fill me with confidence. Should have scored another one there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Darmian injured now, is that hamstring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What has young done, Bothwick-Jackson to come on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Has Young done a Zaha and slept with LVGs daughter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Trial by fire for Borthwick-Jackson. This should be interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes!! Freebie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Oh FFS. And then they undo it? *****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Olive Branch Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Commentators are ridiculous, in their position you should know the rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The ref has that one right, regardless of whether Mata touched it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Spiral Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Commentators are ridiculous, in their position you should know the rules Exactly what I was thinking. They're still on about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 LvG has his excuses ready if we go out... Injuries (caused by him removing all squad depth from the team) and a disallowed goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 The big problem is our central midfield is non existent. Schweinsteiger and Fellaini offering nothing. Not protecting the back 4, not backing up the attack and passing very sloppy. That and they keep drifting, Fellaini looks like he is playing left wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Fellaini has no tactical intelligence to play where he's playing and unfortunately Schweinsteiger is too old to keep up with the play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Right or wrong decision, it is not the officials that made the decision, it was the Wolfsburg players who made the decision for the ref. Flag went up 10 seconds after the goal went in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It was the right decision but your right in the way it was made was a bit baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oasisi Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Fellaini has no tactical intelligence to play where he's playing and unfortunately Schweinsteiger is too old to keep up with the play. Schweinsteiger would be fine if he had someone with leg's and abit of talent next to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 That's what I meant, Fellaini is wondering off leaving him on his own. He hasn't got the legs to do it on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Damn shame about Schneiderlin. Would have been very useful in this game. Guess we'll see Carrick on after about 60 minutes. Looks pretty grim in terms of getting through, but at least we are looking fairly threatening offensively, so there is hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think this is probably the one time I'd advocate moving to the 532. Take the defensive responsibility away from the two young full backs and let them bomb on. Fellaini Mata and schweinsteiger to try and control midfield whilst the pace of Martial and Memphis or Lingard can trouble them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oasisi Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 That's what I meant, Fellaini is wondering off leaving him on his own. He hasn't got the legs to do it on his own. Wasn't having a go at you, Just it was alway's going to be a problem. Guess that's why we don't attack, we are just woefully lacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wolfsburg are a poor side and we are making them look like world beaters. 'Poor side' Good one. We're a shambles at the back, partly down to the two FBs, should have conceded four in that first half. Martial took his chance well, will give him a lift. Our midfield is almost non existant which is causing us all sorts of problems, Basti not exactly got the legs when playing alongside a tactically inept Fellaini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oasisi Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think this is probably the one time I'd advocate moving to the 532. Take the defensive responsibility away from the two young full backs and let them bomb on. Fellaini Mata and schweinsteiger to try and control midfield whilst the pace of Martial and Memphis or Lingard can trouble them To be honest, I think if we went 532 we would get murdered on the wing's. Memphis I thought looked really dangerous when he came on against West Ham has been very poor tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hopefully we Mata on the ball more and he can play through balls to our front line. We look to have goals in us but so do Wolfsburg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Has this referee ever refer a football match before? Seems absolutely clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Carrick > Schweingsteiger Powell > Mata Creativity gone off with Mata, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Powell too now. Did I hit a time machine somewhere and this is the pre-season tour? DDG has been surreal and all that, but we really should have scored more goals here. Feels like we're playing without a midfield, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohanzee Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 CSKA penalty ... and it's 1-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Great to see Powell back on the pitch for the first team. Hopefully he'll be able to kick on now and make up for lost time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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