Sheps. Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Rooney has certainly declined but how much of that is down to LvG's tactics? I think a lot. It's happening to too many players now. Eh? 1) A change in methods/tactics does not even slightly account for Rooney's first touch and pace totally deserting him. 2) which players? Van Gaal actually has a really good record of improving players so far. McNair, Smalling, Fellaini, Young, Shaw (pre injury) for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Yeah. Rooney not being involved as much is to do with the tactics. You don't see him run 50 yards to put a tackle in so it doesn't stick in your mind. But his first touch and movement is atrocious. And that's the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 LVG has certainly steadied the ship - we are much more stable defensively. But that has come at the cost of very little risk going forward. Fullbacks rarely overlap, and central midfielders rarely make runs forward. It's almost entirely up to the front 3-4 players to create and score goals (set pieces aside), and against other defensive setups with the organised teams of professional football these days, that often doesn't cut it. He has said it himself, "you create your own luck", but you don't do that by passing the ball around in central midfield with little risk. Probably easier for us armchair "experts" though. We don't have the immensely quality at back from years gone by, so it's tougher to get by with throwing the kitchen sink at teams. But right now it feels like the balance is a bit too much on the cautious side, and I'd like to see fullbacks overlapping a bit more frequently. Though in fairness it should also be said that Shaw did this plenty, so his injury has cost us. Really hope he is back to 100% fitness by next season. That's not true really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 not true at all, especially when shaw plays. even valencia gets forward, he just turns back once he's up there because he's rubbish. blind and rojo are just slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 but actually rojo's been swinging some great crosses in lately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I didn't say they never overlap, they do, but it certainly feels much less than in years gone by. Though it should be said (like I did above) that Shaw did this plenty, and clearly had freedom to storm forward. One of the things I hope to see as this season moves forward is that we take more risk offensively, now when we are more stable defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I am actually happy with LvG so far this season as long as he drops Rooney soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 but actually rojo's been swinging some great crosses in lately He was getting quite a few crosses in v City, Fellaini comes on and he only got one cross in. Doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 No problems with LVG what so ever. Arsenal apart we are really hard to beat. A competent striker would improve our attacking play. But we have been building a solid base. Defense is much better, midfield is 100% better than when SAF retired. Just a winger and striker away from challenging properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I think he's improved lots since last season and clearly feels more confident with the squad he has. The Arsenal result happens, even to SAF so it's a pass on that. What he really needs to do is to give Martial a chance up front to build a bit of a bond with Mata, Herrera and whoever is on the left. It's not good for the team or Rooney at this point. If he does that I think we'll do well this year, although if City shape up I can't see us being in the title race come May. If we are either Rooney has somehow turned back time or LvG is a genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waria Ahmed Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe we should play rooney on the left if he HAS to play. Atleast not everything will go through him and he can put a shift in without slowing play down everytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 It won't work, he can't keep playing. It's ruining any chance he might have of actually regrouping and coming back to something like an acceptable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Play him as the mascot just get rid of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I don't want to get rid of him. I think he deserves to get the top goal scorer record. But he has to realise he isn't first choice anymore. He can stick around and help the team anyway he is asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I'd get rid of him precisely because he doesn't deserve the goal scoring record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Silly to sell him to deny him, just as playing him only to allow him to get it is. If he starts playing well and scoring he deserves it if he gets it, nonsense to suggest otherwise. If we took away the goals Bobby Charlton and Denis Law scored towards the end of his career when they were treading water at United Rooney would already be top scorer. There's no reason he can't contribute in the future, but he needs time off to take him out of the spotlight and figure out where his own game is right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 If he gets the record, he deserves. Simple really. He has been here for 12 years and done well most of that time. Not as great any more, he has lost some pace/acceleration, but he is still a good player and can contribute. I see he starts today, so I hope not too many fans have slit their wrists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 BBC making the game sound terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 First 16 minutes. All over us. Quick tempo, runners behind. Few half chances. DDG save. Next 14 minutes. All us. Slow passing. Looking for openings. Free kick chance. That's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Wazza Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 We're at the taking him behind the woodshed and putting him out his misery point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 We don't create enough chances for him though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 First 16 minutes. All over us. Quick tempo, runners behind. Few half chances. DDG save.Next 14 minutes. All us. Slow passing. Looking for openings. Free kick chance. That's about it. Christ, I do hope we manage more than 1 shot in 45 this time. ChanceCrystal Palace 0-0 Man Utd Posted at 32 mins Good chance for Wayne Rooney. Anthony Martial threads a superb pass through to him, but he cannot quite catch it and Wayne Hennessey nips in. Poor control from Rooney in the end. Is the researcher going to put him down as a 5 for first touch in the January update? Wish this was on the telly so I could watch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 How are we not 2-0 up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 that rooney chance is exactly why we won't win anything until he's dropped. martial would've scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Rooney's movement has been good so far but that ball from Martial was perfect and he screwed it up. If Martial was on the end of his own ball its 1-0. We were lucky not to be down after the first 10 though. I may be tactically thick, but it seems to be a recurring thing for certain managers to stick good talent out on the wings instead of the middle... I'm not sure I grasp why though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 That was the quickest break I've seen us do in a long time. Was still pretty slow tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I may be tactically thick, but it seems to be a recurring thing for certain managers to stick good talent out on the wings instead of the middle... I'm not sure I grasp why though... It's the curse of being pacey and skilled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Crazy match. Just can't get control of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 How are we not 2-0 down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Why is that ****ing waste of space still on the pitch? What has he done all season to warrant it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohanzee Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 West Ham managed 24 shots against this lot when they came here, winning 3-1. We've had 2 ... that's 3, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Young is, again, our most dangerous player by far. Says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Palace don't really see us as an attacking threat so can get more men up and cause more problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 We're not an attacking threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 West Ham managed 24 shots against this lot when they came here, winning 3-1. We've had 2 ... that's 3, I guess. Shh... It's "entertaining". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Drop Rooney off for the next match. I can't stand seeing Martial wasted on the wings. Give another chance for Memphis. I just don't want to see Rooney not getting to good through balls or wasting freekicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 On the plus side, Joe Hart just dropped a clanger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Three 0-0's in a row coming up. First time in 11 years iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I thought LvG makes those big calls, make one now son!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 He doesn't even sub him. wtf is going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 There are eleven players on the pitch, one guy shouldn't and doesn't make that much difference. Again, how many actual chances have we had? Can't blame the striker for poor service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 "attack attack attack" chants after the final whistle has gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well that was dire, 0-0 and City win with a penalty... Used to be the other way round! Ho hum, I'm sure VG will sort it out at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 LvG has made our players too scared to attack so they have forgotten how. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well Schweinsteiger ran from the half way line with the ball mid way into the Palace half, turned back, passed back, and then the next pass took us back to the half way line. Top work all round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Absolutely atrocious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 we are awful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Won on possession though Bless all those that used to make fun of Rodgers' results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 What do people expect when LVG is our manager? Our style of play makes allardyce's long ball game look attractive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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