brightonrock Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Ok so I've had the game since launch day and although I like it and I'm cracking on through the seasons with a peculiar blend of pent-up frustration, furious anger, joyful delirium and utter disbelief (both positive and negative), there are some general things that a lot of people are complaining about, and I thought I'd give my ten pence on them. The complaints are in varying degrees of hysteria, and I've experienced some, if not all of the problems, and I'm torn between joining forces with the 'moaners' demanding answers for the problems, or the 'fanboys' denying anything is wrong and SI employees are welcome to a go on their daughter any day. That said, I think the following could be addressed in the second patch, to make a currently very good game (shhhh moaners, it is good) even better (shhhh fanboys, it can be improved): Despite the transfer code being re-written (and by and large, it definately is infinitely better than previous versions), the developers got a bit dizzy on helium and blue smarties when it came to coding Man City, injected them with money and then forgot to inform the poor little Manc data accountant not to spend a quarter of a billion pounds a season, exclusively on breathtakingly average attacking midfielders. 90% of transfer bids 'become public knowledge'; one can only assume a footballing agent is, contrary to popular belief, not well paid, and most agents moonlight for The Mirror. All 22 on-pitch players appear to be trying the SoccerAM crossbar challenge with insatiable enthusiasm by shooting from a quarter of a mile away. Speaking of, the frame of the goal seems to have some kind of magnet in it. Keepers' agricultural 'through balls' cause Titus Bramble-esque qualities in the defence who stop and cry whilst the oppo striker walks it in. 9 times out of 10 full backs are beaten like S&M fetishists by wingers with laughable dribbling stats such as 4. Your assistant manager grew up next to a farm with three fields and an electric fence, and was presumably subject to a violent mugging or sexual crime between the fence and the middle field, thus explaining his obsession with playing a holding midfielder. Players regularly partake in impromptu mini-games amongst themselves, such as the schoolyard classic 'Arse' wherby they line up and leather it at each other from 5 yards away for no discernible reason. As we all know, Arsenal have won every trophy in every major tournament in every sport in the world, for the last 40 years, and this is reflected in their trophy cabinet after 2 years in-game. Strikers who don't score a hat-trick get rated as 5.6. Strikers in fact are incapable of the proverbial in a brothel, let alone, god forbid, kicking the round thing through the big rectangle. England win all penalty shootouts. There's no need for a humourous comment here. Serious injuries (ruptured colon, severed head, shattered pelvis etc) happen regularly; in many games all 3 subs are made by the 70-minute mark as your assistant manager makes hurried plans to visit your star striker's next of kin. In fact, most pre-season run-ins are more emotionally expensive than the break-up of a long term relationship, as your team suffers greater losses than the Russian Army, circa 1939-45. Playing 4411 is so experimental and philosophically world-changing that the fabric of reality is broken and 13 bearded, be-robed players take to the pitch for a feast of hobbit's bread and virgin's tears whilst daubing themselves with goats blood under two glowing red suns. All in all they're minor improvements I think, fairly easily tweaked. Chin up boys and girls whilst the developers sortitoutsi, and in the meantime we can all sleep soundly in the knowledge that its probably your tactics, but more importantly its definately only a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 *applause* Great piece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 You should post more often! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloppy Giuseppe Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Brilliant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihsaan Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 That's about right . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masteratt Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Great stuff mate, hahaha, enjoyed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendanbrendanbren Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 10 pence? That was more like a pounds worth. Funny and class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo-Bongo Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 [*]Players regularly partake in impromptu mini-games amongst themselves, such as the schoolyard classic 'Arse' wherby they line up and leather it at each other from 5 yards away for no discernible reason.Strikers in fact are incapable of the proverbial in a brothel, let alone, god forbid, kicking the round thing through the big rectangle. My personal favourites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 seriously funny,but all too true! great work! do you have a book coming out soon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Great review, mate. I liked your clever use of irony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjonny Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I really really really hate that word 'fanboy' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bieritarier Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 lmao damn I'm not gonna get rid of a big grin in the face for quite a while now I guess. I really enjoy that kind of sarcasm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_pimpnuts Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Excellent post! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestu Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 *stands and starts slow hand clap* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law_Man Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 One of the funnier posts I've read on the forums - had quite a chuckle there. Good to know someone on here knows how to make serious points in a light hearted way. Or how to say intelligent things in stupid way.... or how to saying stupid things in an intelligent way.... Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
small Mac Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Well played brightonrock, excellent read. Unfortunately though i think it's too well written for people to argue against your points! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagdog Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Top post mate, a future in the media maybe. Its a bit of light relief from the two of points of view. I two find myself in a strange position too, desperately wanting to hate it for all its bugs (there seems to be far more than any previous version) however it is also the most addictive version for ages (even though im playing rubbish) just can't working it out, it must be the 3d pitch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall_The_Miller Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Very funny. The tw which Bongo Bongo quoted made me laugh out loud (which isn't good considering it's half 11 and everyone else in the place is fast asleep!) Top, top post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Dean Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 We have a winner! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nose Bear Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 'fanboys' denying anything is wrong and SI employees are welcome to a go on their daughter any day. That made me laugh, so true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 haha good laugh, nice post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Girondins Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 In fact, most pre-season run-ins are more emotionally expensive than the break-up of a long term relationship, as your team suffers greater losses than the Russian Army, circa 1939-45. :) fall off me chair! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dankrzyz Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 *stands and starts slow hand clap* *joins davestu* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6grenada Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 hi 5 my boy/girl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Awes Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Great post and i agree with every point you make highlighting some truly awful bugs but like you I find myself far more addicted to this than I have any FM since the split. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-Zombie-Jesus Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Brilliant post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 'fanboys' denying anything is wrong and SI employees are welcome to a go on their daughter any day. That made me laugh, so true There is no one on this forum (at least who posts regularly) who fits that description. Everyone I know who defends the game also admits that there are things that are wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patcook Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Keepers' agricultural 'through balls' cause Titus Bramble-esque qualities in the defence who stop and cry whilst the oppo striker walks it in. This has been very frustrating for me, ive scored them and had them scored against me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Best post I've read in a long long time. Love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Here here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I don't agree with everything you say, but I have to give you TWO THUMBS UP. The best OP I've seen in a loooooong time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup8 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Quote: Originally Posted by Blue Nose Bear 'fanboys' denying anything is wrong and SI employees are welcome to a go on their daughter any day. That made me laugh, so true There is no one on this forum (at least who posts regularly) who fits that description. Everyone I know who defends the game also admits that there are things that are wrong. But he doesn't deny they'll "let them have a go ..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
This field intentionally l Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I really really really hate that word 'fanboy' I would suggest that some people have the same reaction to the phrase "It's your tactics". BTW, its "fanboi". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now? He has not told us anything we didn't already know, and has merely posted in an amusing way. He is not really offering anything in regards to construtive criticism. I'll go back to reading the few threads in GQ that actually offer an opinion or some insight, and not just something amusingly written. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndebergerac Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Keepers' agricultural 'through balls' cause Titus Bramble-esque qualities in the defence who stop and cry whilst the oppo striker walks it in. 9 times out of 10 full backs are beaten like S&M fetishists by wingers with laughable dribbling stats such as 4. These ones I know best. A striker with acceleration of 6 will out run any defender Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now?He has not told us anything we didn't already know, and has merely posted in an amusing way. He is not really offering anything in regards to construtive criticism. I'll go back to reading the few threads in GQ that actually offer an opinion or some insight, and not just something amusingly written. Fanboy anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
small Mac Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now?He has not told us anything we didn't already know, and has merely posted in an amusing way. He is not really offering anything in regards to construtive criticism. I'll go back to reading the few threads in GQ that actually offer an opinion or some insight, and not just something amusingly written. Erm ok. Sorry brightonrock, looks like this thread will have to be closed for committing the sin of being 'amusing' and not containing 'constructive criticism'. Please refrain from using humour in any future discussions. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
echosofberlin Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now?He has not told us anything we didn't already know, and has merely posted in an amusing way. He is not really offering anything in regards to construtive criticism. I'll go back to reading the few threads in GQ that actually offer an opinion or some insight, and not just something amusingly written. its your tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve dewilde Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 nvm sorry :I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Fanboy anyone? Well, no. He doesn't give an opinion on Football Manager or SI one way or the other in the post you're quoting. Erm ok. Sorry brightonrock, looks like this thread will have to be closed for committing the sin of being 'amusing' and not containing 'constructive criticism'.Please refrain from using humour in any future discussions. Thanks. He wasn't criticising the use of humour. He was just pointing out that all this praise for the OP is overblown when you consider there is nothing of substance in his post. I would say that all the humour and the quality of expression can't hide that lack of substance, but from the way most people have reacted, it would seem it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooks Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 It was a good post and people reacted positively to it and had a laugh. Why do you feel the need to spoil things, if that's how you feel, just don't post, go and discuss tactics or something. And people wonder why the term 'fanboy' came about... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Ok so I've had the game since launch day and although I like it and I'm cracking on through the seasons with a peculiar blend of pent-up frustration, furious anger, joyful delirium and utter disbelief (both positive and negative), there are some general things that a lot of people are complaining about, and I thought I'd give my ten pence on them. The complaints are in varying degrees of hysteria, and I've experienced some, if not all of the problems, and I'm torn between joining forces with the 'moaners' demanding answers for the problems, or the 'fanboys' denying anything is wrong and SI employees are welcome to a go on their daughter any day. That said, I think the following could be addressed in the second patch, to make a currently very good game (shhhh moaners, it is good) even better (shhhh fanboys, it can be improved): Despite the transfer code being re-written (and by and large, it definately is infinitely better than previous versions), the developers got a bit dizzy on helium and blue smarties when it came to coding Man City, injected them with money and then forgot to inform the poor little Manc data accountant not to spend a quarter of a billion pounds a season, exclusively on breathtakingly average attacking midfielders. 90% of transfer bids 'become public knowledge'; one can only assume a footballing agent is, contrary to popular belief, not well paid, and most agents moonlight for The Mirror. All 22 on-pitch players appear to be trying the SoccerAM crossbar challenge with insatiable enthusiasm by shooting from a quarter of a mile away. Speaking of, the frame of the goal seems to have some kind of magnet in it. Keepers' agricultural 'through balls' cause Titus Bramble-esque qualities in the defence who stop and cry whilst the oppo striker walks it in. 9 times out of 10 full backs are beaten like S&M fetishists by wingers with laughable dribbling stats such as 4. Your assistant manager grew up next to a farm with three fields and an electric fence, and was presumably subject to a violent mugging or sexual crime between the fence and the middle field, thus explaining his obsession with playing a holding midfielder. Players regularly partake in impromptu mini-games amongst themselves, such as the schoolyard classic 'Arse' wherby they line up and leather it at each other from 5 yards away for no discernible reason. As we all know, Arsenal have won every trophy in every major tournament in every sport in the world, for the last 40 years, and this is reflected in their trophy cabinet after 2 years in-game. Strikers who don't score a hat-trick get rated as 5.6. Strikers in fact are incapable of the proverbial in a brothel, let alone, god forbid, kicking the round thing through the big rectangle. England win all penalty shootouts. There's no need for a humourous comment here. Serious injuries (ruptured colon, severed head, shattered pelvis etc) happen regularly; in many games all 3 subs are made by the 70-minute mark as your assistant manager makes hurried plans to visit your star striker's next of kin. In fact, most pre-season run-ins are more emotionally expensive than the break-up of a long term relationship, as your team suffers greater losses than the Russian Army, circa 1939-45. Playing 4411 is so experimental and philosophically world-changing that the fabric of reality is broken and 13 bearded, be-robed players take to the pitch for a feast of hobbit's bread and virgin's tears whilst daubing themselves with goats blood under two glowing red suns. All in all they're minor improvements I think, fairly easily tweaked. Chin up boys and girls whilst the developers sortitoutsi, and in the meantime we can all sleep soundly in the knowledge that its probably your tactics, but more importantly its definately only a game. I enjoyed your post. As others have pointed out, these issues have all been raised before, although I think (most of us) can appreciate the humour of your posts. Your comment about England penalty shootouts aside (it's just a matter of luck really, you can't say the England players have never had any of the required attributes to win a shootout), I think it's a decent list of some of the nuances of FM09 which could be improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 It was a good post and people reacted positively to it and had a laugh.Why do you feel the need to spoil things, if that's how you feel, just don't post, go and discuss tactics or something. And people wonder why the term 'fanboy' came about... That is absolute nonsense. So people who disagree with the original post should just go away and not post? Ridiculous. Have you ever had a debate in your life? I personally thought it was a well put together post, but it didn't say anything we haven't heard before. I'd go along with what GillsMan says above. I fail to see why disagreeing with the post is 'spoiling things'. It actually makes you sound rather immature to say that. And as for the term 'fanboy', I reiterate. None of the people I've seen post regularly are fanboys. We all criticise the game. Just because we disagree with the OP doesn't make us 'fanboys'. Please stop using that ludicrous term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu83 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Well, no. He doesn't give an opinion on Football Manager or SI one way or the other in the post you're quoting.He wasn't criticising the use of humour. He was just pointing out that all this praise for the OP is overblown when you consider there is nothing of substance in his post. I would say that all the humour and the quality of expression can't hide that lack of substance, but from the way most people have reacted, it would seem it does. do you let si have a go on your daughter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 do you let si have a go on your daughter? Firstly, you're going to have to show me where I said I never criticise them. I mean, I'm pretty sure I pointed out the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooks Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 That is absolute nonsense. So people who disagree with the original post should just go away and not post? Ridiculous. Have you ever had a debate in your life?I personally thought it was a well put together post, but it didn't say anything we haven't heard before. I'd go along with what GillsMan says above. I fail to see why disagreeing with the post is 'spoiling things'. It actually makes you sound rather immature to say that. And as for the term 'fanboy', I reiterate. None of the people I've seen post regularly are fanboys. We all criticise the game. Just because we disagree with the OP doesn't make us 'fanboys'. Please stop using that ludicrous term. ‘Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now?’ Personally I feel that if this is all you have to say, then don’t bother. It’s hardly constructive is it... And neither is debating with you over what was I think just meant to be a light hearted bit of fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 ‘Has the bumming of brightonrock finished now?’Personally I feel that if this is all you have to say, then don’t bother. It’s hardly constructive is it... And neither is debating with you over what was I think just meant to be a light hearted bit of fun. It wasn't the best choice of sentence, but it wasn't all he said. It's pretty unfair to just pick that bit out and only quote it. The rest of what he said was a constructive criticism of the opening post. I shouldn't be surprised by all this. It's pretty much what happens when you disagree with people on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu83 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Firstly, you're going to have to show me where I said I never criticise them. I mean, I'm pretty sure I pointed out the opposite.you never answered my question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttface Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 OP - The lack of criticism must mean that you've nailed it. Great post sire. Where have you been hiding? The forums should be more like this in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 you never answered my question Well, I assume you're trying to claim that I must be a 'fanboy'. This is a ludicrous claim as I criticise their game constructively on a regular basis. As I am not a 'fanboy', if I had a daughter I would not let them do that. Enjoy your infraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike7077 Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 OP - The lack of criticism must mean that you've nailed it. Great post sire. Where have you been hiding? The forums should be more like this in my opinion. Are you blind? Look at the response to anyone who perfectly reasonably disagrees with the OP. Typical General Discussion crap, really. Not the opening post, just the way some people react to those who disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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