Robokid87 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Any chance of Welbeck being sold/loaned Ice? With Hernandez seemingly confirmed as 3rd choice now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Not a chance in hell. Local lad, United born and bred, can't undervalue that. Will sell Rooney before we sell Welbeck and that's a fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Clocked this. Thundercunts.Such a good word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think it's his all round play that people are criticising rather than his goal scoring ratio. His ratio isnt too bad but it should be a hell of a lot better than what it is.He's not been performing that well, but he can still score and scores more often than other strikers. I've seen him received too much criticism after quite a lot of games this season, he's not Falcao who I've been saying we should have signed back in the days he was banging them in for Porto but he's probably the best striker we have and we did spend £50M on him so I'd rather see him being used so we can try and get our moneys worth instead of keeping him on the bench. I've never really agreed with the Torres signing, but I'm pretty sure I remember a few people praising the signing. Imo Torres was in bad form the season we signed him and only started to look half decent a couple weeks before we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 How many assists has Rooney got again? Quite a lot this year. Rooney has 8, Torres has 4. Both strikers have been involved in 11 goals. According to Premier League website, Torres has scored 7 goals and has a 0.7 goals/ match ratio. Torres Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He's not been performing that well, but he can still score and scores more often than other strikers. I've seen him received too much criticism after quite a lot of games this season, he's not Falcao who I've been saying we should have signed back in the days he was banging them in for Porto but he's probably the best striker we have and we did spend £50M on him so I'd rather see him being used so we can try and get our moneys worth instead of keeping him on the bench. I've never really agreed with the Torres signing, but I'm pretty sure I remember a few people praising the signing. Imo Torres was in bad form the season we signed him and only started to look half decent a couple weeks before we signed him. Don't agree with the bold bit at all, we've given him almost 2 years to get our moneys worth and he's still been crap, time to cut our losses and try something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Don't agree with the bold bit at all, we've given him almost 2 years to get our moneys worth and he's still been crap, time to cut our losses and try something else.So it's better to pay him £150k (roughly) per week to sit on the bench? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Hall Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Don't agree with the bold bit at all, we've given him almost 2 years to get our moneys worth and he's still been crap, time to cut our losses and try something else. Exactly. Marky let's look at it like this. Fernando Torres was a failure under Carlo Ancelotti, Fernando Torres was a failure under Andre Villas-Boas, Fernando Torres is a failure under Roberto Di Matteo. Fernando Torres was a failure when he had competition in Didier Drogba and he's been a failure when he has had no competition. As a club we have not only given Torres enough opportunities we have given him too many opportunities. Enough is enough and without wanting to sound blase about our financial situation we have plenty of money for a good replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's horrible to see how corrupt and unsporting football has become because of all that oil money, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 So it's better to pay him £150k (roughly) per week to sit on the bench? No. It's better to use him in part-exchange for Falcao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 So it's better to pay him £150k (roughly) per week to sit on the bench? He can sit on my face during matches if it means we have a competent forward. More than willing to take one for the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 No. It's better to use him in part-exchange for Falcao.Who's said that A. Madrid want him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted November 12, 2012 Author Administrators Share Posted November 12, 2012 What was the Torres bet again? Was it 20 goals I can't search back through at the moment. 10 league goals I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 So it's better to pay him £150k (roughly) per week to sit on the bench? We're paying all the players their wages no matter what they do so we may as well play the 11 that are most likely to get us wins. He's probably getting a massive bonus for turding his way around the pitch week in week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 he can sit on my face during matches if it means we have a competent forward.More than willing to take one for the team. 101010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Who's said that A. Madrid want him? I'm sure they'll take him for £1, with the rest of the £49,999999 for Falcao. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 We'd be top with SAF as manager. That sounds like a slight on RDM but its not really intended to be. Also incredibly moot as SAF is the nuts. That guys utilises a squad like nobody else. You don't win a league with 14 players. This. Given we've got the CWC (and League Cup) I can see us getting to January/February (when the season actually starts and matters) and having a lot of players being burned out or just not being at their best due to fatigue. I might be doing a disservice to Di Matteo and being a tad harsh on him but I don't think he's the manager that's going to be winning us a title this season as, imo, he lacks some tactical nous and there have been times where a better manager (let's use Fergie here for arguments sake) would've been able to change a game around or been able to hold onto a result. I'd love to be wrong and I'd love for Robbie to win us the title this season but I think he's still not the complete package as a manager to do so and I don't think we can go and win the title 'in spite' of him, if you will, like City did last season.Yeah, Torres + money for Falcao isn't happening. I don't think Atléti can pay his wages and even in this transfer deal, we'll need to get a 3rd striker (maybe a 4th, if we're going to sell Sturridge so a replacement for him). Huntelaar or Tevez, you know what to do Roman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fergie wouldn't be able to do much better with the strikers we have, although he wouldn't have put us in this situation in the first place, can't blame RdM for that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fergie wouldn't be able to do much better with the strikers we have, although he wouldn't have put us in this situation in the first place, can't blame RdM for that though.It's not even striker stuff. It's a general assesment.Like, the lack of rotation, banishing Malouda, lacking variety with his substitutions (ie. you know who's coming on and for whom, regardless of performance in the particular match) and general substitutions have been on the poor side, sale of Meireles (and loan of Essien) which leaves an important position within the team relatively wafer thin but I dunno if that was down to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybob Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Exactly. Marky let's look at it like this.Fernando Torres was a failure under Carlo Ancelotti, Fernando Torres was a failure under Andre Villas-Boas, Fernando Torres is a failure under Roberto Di Matteo. Fernando Torres was a failure when he had competition in Didier Drogba and he's been a failure when he has had no competition. Sounds harsh, but that really sums up the situation. He can sit on my face during matches if it means we have a competent forward.More than willing to take one for the team. That is brilliant. As for the fact Fergie would never go into a season so lacking in an important position, I think most Man U fans would assess their centre mid situation for the last season or two as about as good as our striker situation. Agree that I have a couple of concerns about some of RDM's tactical choices like subs and especially lack of rotation, but Essien going on loan I don't really see as a mistake as he has gone so far backwards due to injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 The Malouda situation is farcical. Three cheers for the football board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybob Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 It's a shame that Malouda has been frozen out as he did have a great season - season and a half for us a few years ago, but seriously, the way he has played since would you really want him playing ahead of any of Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Marin, De Bruyne or Bertrand in the AML position? Ideal world he would be sold but not sure whether it's lack of interest from other clubs, lack of willingness from the club to sell, or Flo wanting to relax and pick up his big fat paycheck rather than take a paycut elsewhere keeping him at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I agree with that but it's no reason to treat him with such disrespect as to force him to train with the reserves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 10 league goals I believe. 6 to go, 27 games remaining! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 He can sit on my face during matches if it means we have a competent forward.More than willing to take one for the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Fwiw, I'm not saying Essien would actually feature in the 1st team but he'd be useful in terms of rotation for the League Cup and it'd mean we'd have 5 CMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 don't really get why you got rid of Raul without a replacement. For both us and you he was a solid enough player, helped keep the pressure up in midfield and could pick out a pass, even if he was nothing sensational. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Marin played 90 minutes for the U-21's against Crystal Palace, scoring 1 (with his head ) and setting up another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Philip Rolfe Posted November 13, 2012 Author Administrators Share Posted November 13, 2012 The header was totally unmarked from six yards out. Bamfordinho made it, was the best player on the park tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has there been any talk about selling Marko Marin in the winter transfer window? He isn't playing almost at all and he surely is too good and too expensive to have on the bench? His transfer was so unlucky as Chelsea decided to buy both Hazard and Oscar after he was signed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 No way!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 It would surprise me. He was injured for a fair while. Now he's back and on the bench and if common sense prevails (good luck with that at Chelsea FC) should start to see minutes very soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Send him on loan to Liverpool, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridgekings Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 we gave you joe cole. lets not get greedy. joe cole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The only one doing as bad as Torres is Podolski and for others you can't compare as they are not the sole strikers of their team. Rooney has RVP, Hernandez. Aguero has Tevez, Dzeko. If we had someone like them scoring instead then I would be happy for Torres to be Rooney.I have defended Torres a lot and wanted him to get a chance but he has failed spectacularly. Maybe RDM wanted the same but obviously its not working. Well you can't compare Podolski to Torres as Podolski doesn't play up front for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orzelek Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 It would surprise me.He was injured for a fair while. Now he's back and on the bench and if common sense prevails (good luck with that at Chelsea FC) should start to see minutes very soon. Had no idea that he was injured. Thought that he was on th bench due to the others performing so well. Ok then he should definetly be given a chance to play first. Afterall he's a rather good player ½ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Good that he picks out Rooney for us as well. When he's been playing he's not been the focal point of the team the way Torres is. If anything he should be comparing to Welbeck/Van Persie instead, would have good fortune with 1 goal Welbeck as well Welbeck's played the majority of his games on the wing. The only guys who've been upfront the most are RVP and Hernandez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Terry out for 3 weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hopefully the Ivanović-Cahill partnership gets a good run now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Nah. Doubt Luiz will be benched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Ashley Cole tweeted Just want to take a moment to thank you all for your endless support. Couldn't have made it this far without you & I sincerely appreciate it Guess he's leaving then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 RDM confirms Falcao interest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Hardly, he just said the most politically correct thing when asked. (ie. 'any manager would want Falcao'). Falcao's not coming in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegr8anand Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Atleast it makes it clear to Torres that RDM is not happy with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Hardly, he just said the most politically correct thing when asked. (ie. 'any manager would want Falcao').Falcao's not coming in January. I don't know, if Roman wants him enough to activate his release clause, I don't think he would turn us down tbh. Interesting team for today but clearly have one eye on the Juve game so it makes sense. Hoping Sturridge stakes a decent claim not he is playing and hopefully Moses does well from a starting spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Nat scores for Watford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Good news. If we start the first half the way we finished the 2nd then we could grab an early goal or two. Torres really needs to get involved more. For god's sake, we need to start defending better. West Brom have had 2 chances and scored both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubos Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Wasn't a fan of RdM taking over, but hope for his sake that he turns things round soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We always become so inept this time of year, it's bizarre. Juve more important though of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Bloody Steve Clarke. If we lose to Juve and don't make it out of the CL group RdM could be in trouble. I'd expect him to see this season out but regardless I think he's gone at the end of the season. Hopefully those Pep runours are true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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