daemonic Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Might as well just forfeit the game, clearly have no interest in taking the competition remotely seriously and would rather just keep our small squad fit and available for league games. A win against Young Boys at home and a draw away to Udinese and we're almost certainly through. Even the win against Young Boys could be enough so I think this game was always going to be a reserve team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 No but don't forget that we didn't have to travel for the Everton game. Whilst its another long journey for the lads down to London for the Chelsea game. Plus which competition do you believe Rodgers is being judged on this season by the owners? It's obviously the premier league, Kenny got sacked for finishing 8th. We are currently 12th and lets be honest if we get battered on Sunday the table will look worse than it already does. It won't take much longer for certain sections of our support to turn on Rodgers. I heard enough of it starting against Newcastle when leaving the ground to be honest. A lot of people slating Allen, pointing out that without Suarez we would be in a lot of trouble and basically not enjoying Rodgers' system of passing it between Allen and the centre halves for a few minutes before moving up the field. All this whilst a club legend like Rafa is still living locally and wants the job. I want Rodgers to be a success, I'd love him to be here for thirty years similar to the way Ferguson has been at Utd. But the pressure from the owners will be to provide champions league football year in year out. I know it won't happen this season, we probably won't come close. But by the time we play Chelsea we will be almost a third of the way through the season, if we lose we will be firmly within the bottom half, out of the league cup and with the line up we have sent to Russia a potentially very difficult last couple of games to get out of the group in the Europa. If we win on Sunday, we prove we can still compete with the best on our day and be a maximum of 6 points off the top 4. He has to stay in touching distance with top 4 until January, then with the right backing and signings in the transfer window he might just go close and improve on last seasons league position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Rodgers out! Bring back Kenny! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Rodgers out! Bring back Kenny! Did you actually read any of what I just posted. Where did I say that? Absolute nonsense post. I'm actually stating why I agree with Rodgers taking a weakened squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'm not a match going red, my opinion is invalid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Rodgers will be a success. Anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'm not a match going red, my opinion is invalid. Ok fair enough ignore all arguments I put forward. You're right lets send all our best players over to Russia and then get battered on Sunday. Good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Rodgers will be a success. Anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish in my eyes. I hope he will. I'll admit I'm not as sold on him as most. But I think with time and backing from the owners he could be very good for us. I'm actually excited about a transfer window for the first time in a while, really hope the funds are there to strengthen the areas we required. Also hope Downing and Cole are gone, that would be ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Why do it then, and not do it again now? Is the Chelsea game more important than the Everton one? If we cared enough about the competition as a whole every game would have a half decent strength squad regardless of who we were playing in the league. A big home win before the derby would have been a big enough boost that it was worth the risk of a full strength team. The game this week clearly isn't worth that risk. because it's in Moscow,. The league is of course more important than Europa, but that doesn't mean both arent being taken seriously. However the travel involved in going to Moscow and back before a trip down to London is quite different to two games in Liverpool. Anyone involved in the away trip to Moscow is gonna be pretty tired for the Chelsea game so priority has to be chosen, this wasn't the case for the Everton game so a full strength team could be put out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 because it's in Moscow,. The league is of course more important than Europa, but that doesn't mean both arent being taken seriously. However the travel involved in going to Moscow and back before a trip down to London is quite different to two games in Liverpool. Anyone involved in the away trip to Moscow is gonna be pretty tired for the Chelsea game so priority has to be chosen, this wasn't the case for the Everton game so a full strength team could be put out. Thank you, wonder if he will actually respond to this reasoning with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Also hope Downing and Cole are gone, that would be ideal. That is a must. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The general strength of the Europa league squads we have fielded home and away so far, and are looking to send this week isn't of sufficient quality for me to believe we want to seriously progress in the competition. Continuing to send weakened squads to away games when we haven't yet qualified isn't a gamble I think we would take if Rodgers considered the competition important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 i think you've totally missed the point that the strength and depth of our team forces BR to prioritise one competition over the other. that is not the same as not caring about both competitions or not thinking them important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 If we had the same squad but were in the CL instead of Europa, suddenly the major players would have enough energy to play a couple of games a week. The choice to rest practically all of them is a choice, it's not forced at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 captainplanet the sports scientist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Darn tootin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Experienced players... Raheem Sterling Wtf? You're being linked to Alex Pearce (centre back at Reading). Rodgers made him captain when he was here. Good player, free transfer in the summer, and not responsible for our present defensive shambles because McDermott is refusing to play him. Speculation that he's not being played because of your interest and us offering a pitiful wage. He wouldn't displace Skrtel or Agger though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 If we had the same squad but were in the CL instead of Europa, suddenly the major players would have enough energy to play a couple of games a week. The choice to rest practically all of them is a choice, it's not forced at all. right, because the CL is worth more of a disturbance to our league performances than the Europa is. That's not the same at all as us not taking the competition seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Wtf? . ha, i didnt write that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Our squad is not that great, so at times and when it seems more sensible to do so they will be players dropped/rested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshyboy1984 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I know Gerrard took a bit of an unfair pounding in here the other day (fwiw I thought he was the least bad of our midfielders, but that's not saying much, I know). But one thing we should give him praise for is how much better a captain he is this season. Putting his arm round Sterling, talking to refs not remonstrating like a mardy arse, less shouting at his own players. Pretty sure he saved Sterling a 1st half booking on Saturday and definitely calmed the ref in the derby by going over and protecting him when Sterling had committed that series of fouls. Top captaining. Pretty sure this is a thing Rodgers has pulled him up on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Seriously doubt Cole will go anywhere unless it’s on another loan. No one will match his current wage and he’s unlikely to take a pay cut in exchange for first team football at this stage in his career. Downing might be more likely to go, but it all depends on how much he’s getting now and whether he’ll take a drop or if you’re willing to pay a contribution towards his wage. It could also depend on how much you want to recoup from the transfer. If you dig your heels in like you did with Andy Carroll then you may not get any bidders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclips Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I am pretty sure MON would buy him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 right, because the CL is worth more of a disturbance to our league performances than the Europa is. That's not the same at all as us not taking the competition seriously. I think it is the same. Short of playing the u18s, we couldn't put out a weaker team this week, in a group stage of a competition that we haven't yet qualified to go through to the next round. I'm sorry but that is NOT taking it seriously at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I am pretty sure MON would buy him. Downing? They have McClean and Johnson on the wings and I’m not convinced they have the cash to buy players. MON has already been talking about loan signings being an option in January, so perhaps their spending over the years has caught up with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 If we did a straight swap between Downing & Bent, I would accept that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 We struggled to get rid of Downing, Cole and Henderson (if rumours are to be believed) in the summer, I don't think it will be any easier in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofighter23 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 lets face it, rodgers is damned if he does damned if he doesnt. for me its simple, theres more pros for resting first team players on thursday than cons. we'll probably get spanked good and proper though and thats the big con for me, if we get beat 5-0 or worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclonus1010 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 oops, wrong thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlater Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Realistically europe is going to be difficult to qualify for this year for you lot. Therefore I'd use the league to bring through your young players and take the cup competitions seriously. Who really cares if you finish 14th in the league, if it means you win a cup or two. Saving players for the league, after the start you've had, seems silly. Thats just my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 we are in a building phase atm. finishing 5th-7th is gonna help us get the talent we want more, than finishing 14th and winning the FA Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Realistically europe is going to be difficult to qualify for this year for you lot. Therefore I'd use the league to bring through your young players and take the cup competitions seriously. Who really cares if you finish 14th in the league, if it means you win a cup or two. Saving players for the league, after the start you've had, seems silly.Thats just my opinion Dalglish got sacked for finishing 8th with a trophy I wouldn't fancy Rodgers chances at 14th with a trophy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Not a chance in hell Rodgers will get sacked unless we get relegated, what is wrong with you Kopite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlater Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Dalglish got sacked for finishing 8th with a trophy I wouldn't fancy Rodgers chances at 14th with a trophy! But Dalglish wasn't really in the business of blooding youngsters like Rodgers is. Makes me wonder what really is the minimum he could get away with this year. Would 14th really see him sacked, I doubt it. I suppose a lot will depend on how much they support him in January Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I thought top half was realistically what we would expect this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 If he gets sacked, after how much we persuid him and the owners saying we are building for the future with a young manager then we truely are going backwards. We cant keep sacking managers, especially not one who should be here for the long haul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 should really be looking to be in the Europa positions, still hopefuly we can sort ourselves out upfront in Jan and push on. Sterling and Shelvey in the england squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martplfc1 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 The potential in his methods is clear for all to see, he just needs to be able to bring in 3 or 4 players of genuine quality to take us up about 10 notches. Whether we can afford that is another question, hopefully FSG will show they mean business in January after the disastrous summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cote_kid Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Pleased that Suarez and Gerrard haven't even travelled, bit surprised that so many others haven't though. Where has Pacheco gone? I know he's not ideal for the lone frontman role but surely he's further in his development than Yesil? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Pacheco's in the squad for tonight too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeafParrot Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Does anyone have the "bib theory" (not that its a theory any more, its pretty much proven) team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 #LFC team v Anzhi: Jones, Wisdom, Carragher, Coates, Flanagan, Shelvey, Henderson, Coady, Downing, Cole, Morgan Subs: Gulacsi, Wilson, Robinson, Assaidi, Pacheco, Suso, Sama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Carra vs Eto'o Coady \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudester Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Pleased that Suarez and Gerrard haven't even travelled, bit surprised that so many others haven't though.Where has Pacheco gone? I know he's not ideal for the lone frontman role but surely he's further in his development than Yesil? Am sure I read somewhere Pacheco had a stormer for the reserves/u21 side what ever its actually labelled now last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cote_kid Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Flanagan ahead of Robinson? Fancy a Joe Cole goal tonight :saywhatnow: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cote_kid Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Oh, Flanno rwb and Downing lwb? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Oh, Flanno rwb and Downing lwb? Three at the back possibly? 3-5-1-1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Seem to have started alright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Select_screen_name: Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 5-4-1 Nice to see Coady getting a game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersonlfc Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Camera is ****ing horrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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