Weller1980 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I really like the 3d engine, with every future version it will only keep getting better...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootyKing Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 I like that idea Owls 9T2 mate.....Good way to keep both parties happy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 3D can only get better, what would be the point in getting rid of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crpls Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I like that idea Owls 9T2 mate.....Good way to keep both parties happy! Are you even paying attention? You're not forced to use it, so what does it matter if it's in the game? Even if they made it available as a separate download, it would still be worked on as it would be if it was still integrated into the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taver Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 the 3d will keep getting better, and we'll have to keep spending more dosh on graphics cards, memory and processors just to see it. Considering there are many better 3d graphic engines running on lower spec thats a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 the 3d will keep getting better, and we'll have to keep spending more dosh on graphics cards, memory and processors just to see it. Considering there are many better 3d graphic engines running on lower spec thats a shame. Hopefully the specs will be improved next year. If I can run Empire:TW I should be able to run FM09 on high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChewyFun Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I think for fm10 it should come without the 3d so people with not a very big graphics system can play it or if people just dont like it, but for the people who want to play it on 3d (like me) there should be something you can download to get the 3d not everyone has the internet :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Maybe give it as an installation option then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGLiverpool Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 No, 3D has to stay, or else they will lose buys. If they are going to make a game by going backwards, then what's the point of buying it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 No, 3D has to stay, or else they will lose buys. If they are going to make a game by going backwards, then what's the point of buying it? I wouldn't say going from 3D to 2D is a step backwards in gaming, just an alternative. Imagine if Sonic went back to 2D rather than Sega trying to force 3D on the franchise? The sustainability of the series and number of sales would be a lot larger surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 have 96 people REALLY said it should be removed? Very, very odd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGLiverpool Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Well, if you think about it, as games evolve, you can't go backwards. It would be like football going back to making balls out of pigs leather. Not very logical is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy38 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Well, if you think about it, as games evolve, you can't go backwards.It would be like football going back to making balls out of pigs leather. Not very logical is it? And like I said, going from 3D to 2D isn't a step backwards in gaming, just an alternative. Along with my Sonic example, I'll cite Street Fighter as well. SF dabbled with 3D and it was poor, they had the sense to stick with 2D and they've seemingly made the best fighting game around. Again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGLiverpool Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I personally like 2D games, but the second I taste that game in 3D, I couldn't go back. If it did happen, I would buy the game, but probably not enjoy it as much. Suppose it is personal preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ched Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 This is as daft as saying "should we make crysis simple to help older systems?" SI shouldn't have to remove features to appease people who aren't up to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 This is as daft as saying "should we make crysis simple to help older systems?"SI shouldn't have to remove features to appease people who aren't up to date. But FM is famous for being played on nearly any system. This year, alot of people are struggling on 2D Classic for god's sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ched Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 But FM is famous for being played on nearly any system. This year, alot of people are struggling on 2D Classic for god's sake. So SI should not improve the game because "FM is famous for being played on nearly any system"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 In the same way I enjoy having a completely destroyed ulna nerve! Upgrade the graphics for the new version, this 3d has a lot of potential for future versions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 But FM is famous for being played on nearly any system. This year, alot of people are struggling on 2D Classic for god's sake. ...and that is because they need a more up to date PC. That said, I can understand that not everyone can update every year. Either way, the game moves on. This particular version is likely the only major resource jump we see this decade owing to the new 3D. Hopefully this new tie with Intel will also aid SI in improving speed and coding over coming games. *albeit I still wanna see Intel's results, as the marketing speel is all a little to familiar at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawsie Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 /question mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeTrOzDaGr8 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I think they really should be banned. One of the main points why I play Football manager is because of the Iconic 2D graphics and FM wouldn't be the same without. I think FM made a really good decision by making both 2D and 3D playable and I play with the 2D now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Gribble Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Just sounds like the only people who don't want it are bitter because their systems can't run it. It makes no sense to drop it at all, if you don't like it you don't have to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted February 28, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted February 28, 2009 A completely hypothetical question, and yes, completely pointless too. It isnt going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingZ Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Keep it just also keep the option in the preferences to not use it. I dont use it at the mo but would if it was better =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 build on it from v753 it's amzing how it is after the 3rd patch but minor tweak could make it even better why should 1000s suffer just because timmy thomson can't persuade his mother to buy him a computer after the year 2006 you don't see me buying Halo 3 without an xbox 360 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 So SI should not improve the game because "FM is famous for being played on nearly any system"? Definitley not, but they need to take into account that not everyone owns a super computer and FM09 is coded so badly that 2D Classic lags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 SI i'm all for 3D and my system i upgrade every year so i can handle any future releases although there will be people that can't afford to upgrade every year like kids for example. so couldn't there be like 2 versions of FM10 like premium for big systems and basic for small sysytems? just a suggestion but i don't know much about your marketing so not sure if you could even do it - the basic could be slightly cheaper and the premium could be the same as it's always been but with the 3d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ched Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Definitley not, but they need to take into account that not everyone owns a super computer and FM09 is coded so badly that 2D Classic lags. I can't comment on the workings of the 2d engine - if it does lag, then this indeed is an issue - but the point here is; FM hasn't done a crysis - they haven't produced a game that alienates the majority of the people in the computing world by needing a "super computer"- they've merely produced a game with a higher minimum spec. The machine i'm using is very far from a super computer, yet it runs FM fine, i know of substantially worse machines that run FM09 fine, i think this issue is getting a little blown out of proportion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Definitley not, but they need to take into account that not everyone owns a super computer and FM09 is coded so badly that 2D Classic lags. On some peoples computers, and since every single PC is different it can hardly be blamed on SI. Christ even my laptop runs 3D smoothly, so it's not the coding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I can't comment on the workings of the 2d engine - if it does lag, then this indeed is an issue - but the point here is; FM hasn't done a crysis - they haven't produced a game that alienates the majority of the people in the computing world by needing a "super computer"- they've merely produced a game with a higher minimum spec.The machine i'm using is very far from a super computer, yet it runs FM fine, i know of substantially worse machines that run FM09 fine, i think this issue is getting a little blown out of proportion. It isn't as much to do with the system needed. It is just how high the requirements are when the graphics are no better than Total Annihilation (1996) which had 100's of units on screen at once. If we keep improving then the requirements are going to get higher for what seem to be mediocre graphics. Now I appreciate that this is the first attempt but my ATI Radeon 3470, while only a budget card, should be able to run FM09 on high. SI really need to improve the workings of both the 2D view and 3D view before any improvements should be made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ched Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 It isn't as much to do with the system needed. It is just how high the requirements are when the graphics are no better than Total Annihilation (1996) which had 100's of units on screen at once. If we keep improving then the requirements are going to get higher for what seem to be mediocre graphics. Now I appreciate that this is the first attempt but my ATI Radeon 3470, while only a budget card, should be able to run FM09 on high. SI really need to improve the workings of both the 2D view and 3D view before any improvements should be made. Remember how slow CM4 was? Hopefully this is just another case of the game getting quicker as it moves on and the coding gets more advanced. This is a first attempt by SI, i'm sure they're aware of the issues involved and if FM10 has higher minimum specs i'd be very surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Remember how slow CM4 was? Hopefully this is just another case of the game getting quicker as it moves on and the coding gets more advanced.This is a first attempt by SI, i'm sure they're aware of the issues involved and if FM10 has higher minimum specs i'd be very surprised. My first FM was 2006 so I don't remember CM4. Hopefully you are right though and the coders can improve the matches so it goes at a respectful speed. I would be extremely suprised if the specs are higher aswell, especially as no more leagues are to be added. Hopefully they manage to improve 3D but not make it more demanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treble_yell_:-) Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 If they got rid , i wouldn't buy 2010, infact my biggest gripe with FML now is that i have to use 2d Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekman Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 KK..Thank you for comments...Just wondering how much are Graphics cards worth? (I live in ROI)They are lots of them but can't figure out which one to get? Try and find out what kind of slot your computer has. If its fairly modern then it will probably have a PCI-E card so get on of these cards. At the very least it should have an AGP slot. Go to start\control panel\Hardware & Sound\Device Manager then click on Graphics adapter and it should tell you what you currently have. Post back with this information and it might give us a better idea of what card to suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Try and find out what kind of slot your computer has. If its fairly modern then it will probably have a PCI-E card so get on of these cards. At the very least it should have an AGP slot. Go to start\control panel\Hardware & Sound\Device Manager then click on Graphics adapter and it should tell you what you currently have. Post back with this information and it might give us a better idea of what card to suggest. I can't see this on my laptop. Is that beacause I am on a laptop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonkyDick Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I can't believe how many clowns have voted to get rid of it, you still have a 2D option or even a commentary option. My PC crashed, we should stop using them and all go back to Ataris. My TV's colour has gone funny, should companies start making black and white TVs again? My car won't start, maybe we should all go back to horse and cart travel. This is the dumbest internet poll ever, we should probably stop using the net now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crafty bison Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 They've come this far, think about the costs they've sunk into it. It's a non-starter. Of course they will carry on with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Removing 3D might make room for more on FM10 so I instantly made the shotgun decision of saying 'yes'. But, as time goes by, 3D will get better and better to the point we'll all be having wet dreams about the stuff. It's too late to change my answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunderland Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 i enjoy watchin my goals and its good to actually see it in relative a decent view. i dont watch my games so not to bothered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Alot of people aren't really happy with FM09 and the main problem is 3D IMO...I can't play FM09 cause I can't buy a Graphics system (Too young) and I believe alot of people have gone off the game cause of it!....People can't play it and people still haven't got used to it!...I think even though people will call it a success that we should scrap 3D for FM2010 and go back to good old 2D! Why do you want to go back??? IMO, the graphics is a big step forward for SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 If they got rid , i wouldn't buy 2010, infact my biggest gripe with FML now is that i have to use 2d Same opinion here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alimac Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I think that's a pretty resounding "No" vote then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N^G Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 There are 2 performance issues with FM2009. 1) it takes a looooong time to process certain aspects of the game, this is something that I would personally like to see optimised far beyond what it currently is. I don't see any reason why anyone with a quad core with 4 gigs of ram shouldnt be able to run all competitions as playable with all players loaded at a smooth performance level and I believe that this is the benchmark that should be aimed for with FM2010 (I bet any SI employees reading this will be laughing, but it is a goal to aspire to nonetheless). The game is actually not far off this at the moment so I believe it is achievable. 2) I personally have no problems with the 3d graphics, however they are very basic and to be honest should be able to run on just about anything at the quality they are currently at. I don't expect fifa/pro evo graphics, I am actually happy with what is there right now, however in my opinion the graphics are so basic that they should be capable of running on lower end graphics cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupal Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Removing 3D might make room for more on FM10 so I instantly made the shotgun decision of saying 'yes'.But, as time goes by, 3D will get better and better to the point we'll all be having wet dreams about the stuff. It's too late to change my answer. Do we really want more things on FM10 anyway? Better if they concentrated on improving some of the things that don't work very well now (like press conferences and so on ) IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welchy Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I dont watch 3d at all anymore, therefore, I wouldnt mind it being removed as I think it (might) make the game run quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted March 1, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted March 1, 2009 I dont watch 3d at all anymore, therefore, I wouldnt mind it being removed as I think it (might) make the game run quicker. It wouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It wouldn't. Paul, should we expect major graphic updates for FM10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted March 1, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted March 1, 2009 We wont be making any announcements about features for a good while Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 We wont be making any announcements about features for a good while Peter. God I am stupid, why did I think of it as a patch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovefm Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 3D is laggy, especially when you have a computer like mine that only just reaches the requirements to play the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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