Caixa Futebol Academy: Youth Development & Adapting Tactics

[crusadertsar]

4 minutes ago, ElJefe4 said:

That's this evenings reading sorted! I've been a high press 433 disciple over the past few years but looking forward to moving towards a different style of play. Less emphasis on pressing, combination of physicality and technical ability in the back 4 and double pivot and free up an attacking quartet to wreak havoc. What better side to use as inspiration than the mighty Brazil.  

Yes indeed! It's a natural next move for me. I have been obsessed with Total Football for years. The sort that was developed by the Dutch. But what is Brazilian football if not another development of that style? Same source of you go back far enough. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by crusadertsar

[ElJefe4]

A goal even the best Brazil sides would be proud of 

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

18 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:

I'm not 100% sure that it is quite the golden generation that dominated Europe on FM18 but there's still plenty of promising young players to build around.

Defence:

Antonio Silva will undoubtedly develop into a top class ball playing centre back. Already very impressive technical ability coupled with excellent reading of the game and composure. A bit of work needed on the physical side (strength, heading), but at 19 that will come.

Morato's physicality and aggression compliments him perfectly. At just 19 and 21, these two will be a formidable partnership for the next decade.

 

Midfield:

A survivor from the golden generation, Florentino Luis' incredible tackling, anticipation and positioning make him a perfect foil for the more creative forward players.

Alongside him is Enzo Fernandez. One of the hottest properties in European football right now and I'm hoping he can fulfil that potential as the heartbeat of this Benfica side.

 

Attack:

Goncalo Ramos has started like a house on fire with 18 goals in 18 games.

 

At the time of writing I see these 5 as nailed on starters for a number of years, these 5 form the spine of the team that we build around. Supported by more experienced members of the squad such as Grimaldo and Gilberto at full back and Joao Mario and Rafa on the wings. You know it makes sense @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! !! 

Yes, they are looking good; particularly after the UEFA Youth League.

Also interested to see Andre Gomes in goal, Rafael Luis, Henrique Araujo and a few others. Looking very strong again 

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

14 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:

A goal even the best Brazil sides would be proud of 

Nice!! What did you use to make the GIF that long?

[w_x]

22 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

Nice!! What did you use to make the GIF that long?

Did you ever get that 235 shape working on your Arsenal save?

[ElJefe4]

1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

Nice!! What did you use to make the GIF that long?

https://www.screentogif.com/

Really useful tool. 

[Sarriball14]

Hi guys, I’ve just loaded up a benfica save on fm23. I’m looking to do a youth development save as I’ve never really bothered with one before and this thread has inspired me to do so. I’ve noticed each squad is quite heavily loaded with players, is there a way I can clear out a lot of these players especially in the u23 u19 and B team for free or is is gonna cost me to release all the dead wood? 

[Ivan787]

Some advice about which team choose to start this type of career on Fm23.

- Chelsea: good recruitment, Havertz, Fofana, James, Odoi, Mount. Probably the issue about Premier League money, described some posts ahead.

- Arsenal: Odegaar, Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Patino, Vieira, Saliba. Good recruitment too and probably same issues about money.

- FC Inter: Company status is similar to Benfica (one of the big of the country, ability to sell players without enforce a rival). Good recruitment system. But terrible status of the squad. No youngster.

Which one?

Probably AC Milan is better positioned than Inter in this contest, (Theo, Leao, Kalulu, Tonali, De Ketelaere)....but as Inter fan I cannot.....

Edited November 8, 2022 by Ivan787

[kandersson]

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! enough with the teasing on twitter we need a new thread for your Vitoria save 

[bosque]

6 hours ago, kandersson said:

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! enough with the teasing on twitter we need a new thread for your Vitoria save 

I know right?

[HanziZoloman]

Am 8.11.2022 um 11:52 schrieb Ivan787:

Some advice about which team choose to start this type of career on Fm23.

- Chelsea: good recruitment, Havertz, Fofana, James, Odoi, Mount. Probably the issue about Premier League money, described some posts ahead.

- Arsenal: Odegaar, Saka, ESR, Martinelli, Patino, Vieira, Saliba. Good recruitment too and probably same issues about money.

- FC Inter: Company status is similar to Benfica (one of the big of the country, ability to sell players without enforce a rival). Good recruitment system. But terrible status of the squad. No youngster.

Which one?

Probably AC Milan is better positioned than Inter in this contest, (Theo, Leao, Kalulu, Tonali, De Ketelaere)....but as Inter fan I cannot.....

1860 Munich 

[ekstromlars]

Recent gig over at The Athletic made me think of this thread. Doing a youth save in France in FM23 and this is still helpful. Take care everyone

 

https://theathletic.com/4197161/2023/02/15/benfica-academy-inside-joao-felix/?amp=1

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

On 15/02/2023 at 11:43, ekstromlars said:

Recent gig over at The Athletic made me think of this thread. Doing a youth save in France in FM23 and this is still helpful. Take care everyone

 

https://theathletic.com/4197161/2023/02/15/benfica-academy-inside-joao-felix/?amp=1

 

Thank you for sharing

[João14]

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal!do you have any specific PI regarding the Vitória save of yours on Twitter? i've been trying to recreate something along those lines but struggling a bit 

[ElJefe4]

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! inspired 433 still working well on FM23!

 

 

 

 

[Fantasista10]

17 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! inspired 433 still working well on FM23!

 

 

 

 

You inspired me to go back to my Benfica save and try this out again. I tried and failed earlier in the year to get this very fluid 4-3-3 to work. 
 

Early performances and results are good. Anything you would change for tricky away games? Particularly in the Champions League. 
 

Some ideas I’ve had to make it a bit more solid in those matches is to drop the mentality to Balanced and make a couple tweaks to TIs but nothing drastic as I don’t want to change the philosophy too much. 

[ElJefe4]

1 hour ago, Fantasista10 said:

You inspired me to go back to my Benfica save and try this out again. I tried and failed earlier in the year to get this very fluid 4-3-3 to work. 
 

Early performances and results are good. Anything you would change for tricky away games? Particularly in the Champions League. 
 

Some ideas I’ve had to make it a bit more solid in those matches is to drop the mentality to Balanced and make a couple tweaks to TIs but nothing drastic as I don’t want to change the philosophy too much. 

Yeah, I've had similar ideas to you really. From a team perspective I'd drop to Positive or Balanced, drop the tempo down a notch, push time wasting up to sometimes, maybe drop to a mid block out of possession. I can't claim to have mastered Europe yet though so can't say for certain on any of this. We finished with 6 wins and 2 defeats in the weird initial league phase. Losses were 2-1 away at Real Madrid and a heavy 3-0 away at Arsenal. Got the knockout stages coming up soon so that'll be a test.

From a player perspective I'd also change my DM to a Defend duty against stronger sides.

Only other regular change I make is to change Florentino Luis (DM) to a Half Back and change Andre (DR) to a wing back if we are playing against a 2 striker formation. Ensures we have a numerical advantage in the first phase and means we build up in more of a 343. Joao Neves (MCR) has attacking PIs so depending on the opposition, score line etc you may wish to remove these so that he plays like a more traditional central midfield player given that the DM will be deeper than usual. Otherwise your other MC (Fernandez for me) may become a bit isolated and could get overrun. 

For anyone else who is interested, the PIs are as follows:
- Antonio Silva (DCR) - Dribble More. Takes advantage of his player trait 'Brings Ball Out Of Defence'. Useful in drawing opposition players out of position when they want to sit off and not engage.

- Alex Grimaldo (DL) - Stay Wider. Ensures we always have someone stretching the play on our left hand side.
- Florentino Luis (DM) - Hold Position. Could just change to a Defend duty and have this hard-coded but I like having him on Support. He's that bit more positive in possession and again, despite the Player Instruction he will occasionally move forward and unsettle an opposition defence slightly. Also more likely to step a bit higher when pressing, which I find useful given that it can still be difficult to get proper pressure on an opposition DM when they set up in a 433 themselves.
- Joao Neves (MCR) - Get Further Forward, Move Into Channels, Roam From Position. Similar to O-Zil's 'free 8s'. He's given plenty of creative freedom thanks to Luis and Enzo remaining disciplined in midfield and Andre (DR) being slightly more conservative than Grimaldo. Take More Risks and Dribble More would also be potential options, depending on the player. 
- Marcos Leonardo (AML) & Endrick (AMR) - Sit Narrower. Logic is obvious, gets them moving into the space vacated by Ramos (ST, F9). The player trait for beating the offside trap is also really useful.

Speaking of beating the offside trap, I also find it to be a really good trait for a False 9 to possess. Ramos has it for this Benfica side. He will drop deep and create the central overload in midfield, but is also a genuine threat in behind as well. He has 0.89 goals per 90 this season. 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by ElJefe4

[Fantasista10]

5 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:

Yeah, I've had similar ideas to you really. From a team perspective I'd drop to Positive or Balanced, drop the tempo down a notch, push time wasting up to sometimes, maybe drop to a mid block out of possession. I can't claim to have mastered Europe yet though so can't say for certain on any of this. We finished with 6 wins and 2 defeats in the weird initial league phase. Losses were 2-1 away at Real Madrid and a heavy 3-0 away at Arsenal. Got the knockout stages coming up soon so that'll be a test.

From a player perspective I'd also change my DM to a Defend duty against stronger sides.

Only other regular change I make is to change Florentino Luis (DM) to a Half Back and change Andre (DR) to a wing back if we are playing against a 2 striker formation. Ensures we have a numerical advantage in the first phase and means we build up in more of a 343. Joao Neves (MCR) has attacking PIs so depending on the opposition, score line etc you may wish to remove these so that he plays like a more traditional central midfield player given that the DM will be deeper than usual. Otherwise your other MC (Fernandez for me) may become a bit isolated and could get overrun. 

For anyone else who is interested, the PIs are as follows:
- Antonio Silva (DCR) - Dribble More. Takes advantage of his player trait 'Brings Ball Out Of Defence'. Useful in drawing opposition players out of position when they want to sit off and not engage.

- Alex Grimaldo (DL) - Stay Wider. Ensures we always have someone stretching the play on our left hand side.
- Florentino Luis (DM) - Hold Position. Could just change to a Defend duty and have this hard-coded but I like having him on Support. He's that bit more positive in possession and again, despite the Player Instruction he will occasionally move forward and unsettle an opposition defence slightly. Also more likely to step a bit higher when pressing, which I find useful given that it can still be difficult to get proper pressure on an opposition DM when they set up in a 433 themselves.
- Joao Neves (MCR) - Get Further Forward, Move Into Channels, Roam From Position. Similar to O-Zil's 'free 8s'. He's given plenty of creative freedom thanks to Luis and Enzo remaining disciplined in midfield and Andre (DR) being slightly more conservative than Grimaldo. Take More Risks and Dribble More would also be potential options, depending on the player. 
- Marcos Leonardo (AML) & Endrick (AMR) - Sit Narrower. Logic is obvious, gets them moving into the space vacated by Ramos (ST, F9). The player trait for beating the offside trap is also really useful.

Speaking of beating the offside trap, I also find it to be a really good trait for a False 9 to possess. Ramos has it for this Benfica side. He will drop deep and create the central overload in midfield, but is also a genuine threat in behind as well. He has 0.89 goals per 90 this season. 

 

Those are the same sort of tweaks I typically make, although I’m always nervous about going too negative. That’s a good result in the UCL though - 6 wins is impressive! 
 

I like the approach of changing your build up shape/approach depending on the opponent. It’s something I always like the idea of, but never seem to bother doing. Do you notice it help, or can it be more of a hindrance? 
 

That run and dribble from Antonio Silva btw…my word! 
 

Tempted to start a save with Braga, have some highly technical players and could be fun to take inspiration from this excellent thread with a youth heavy/DNA save whilst trying to end the dominance of Portgual’s Big 3! 

[Ö-zil to the Arsenal!]

On 19/03/2023 at 21:25, ElJefe4 said:

@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! inspired 433 still working well on FM23!

 

 

 

 

Nice! What a team..

[_neallyons_]

Enjoy this thread a lot, just looking at getting back into having a go at FM - FM18 for me is the pinnacle of FM, really hard to enjoy fm22 in the same way - i havent tried fm23 but im assuming its just fm22 reloaded. 

[davidpop]

On 27/11/2020 at 05:25, milestobudapest said:

Me too. Always coming back and reading it again. I don’t think you can truly understand the impact this thread has had on many of us.  @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!

Defently my favorite thread ever, @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! really made me enjoy and understand FM alot more that I used to.

Edited Sunday at 06:25 by davidpop