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  1. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    That's exactly the objective. "Dumb it down" is a harsh term, but the objective is always to give a simple, logical explanation of the Tactics Creator concepts. These threads always aim to demonstrate different tactical concepts, how you can implement them in the Tactics Creator and how you can see these characteristics played out in the match engine. Always interested to hear other's view points so if you'd care to elaborate on the 'a lot more to this', I am all ears.
  2. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Funny you should say that! Our on-the-ball strategy is possession neutral in that the objective is not to keep the ball or control possession, it is to get the ball forward. The high possession % is more of a by-product of effective pressing. Travelling at the moment so cannot do this question justice but do intend to respond when I have the time. In the mean time, you can see a few examples of different matches in the Bilbao thread where I've been enjoying writing updates.
  3. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Aha, 3rd time lucky and we're on the same page! Understand what you're saying, but the key word is preference. Having a 70-30 preference for attacking does not mean you attack 70% of the time as preference takes into account Risk vs. Reward. In this instance the 'reward' is scoring a goal, an assist, creating an opportunity, beating an opposition defender, passing forwards and so on. The 'risk' factor is the chance of losing the ball, conceding a goal etc. A players preference determines the level of risk they are prepared to accept, not the % of the time they attack. The reason it is incorrect to say "why is this player not Attacking 7 times out of 10?" is that the risk factor will be different, depending on the situation. You could be playing a very well organised opponent with a strong defence in which case the risk factor is higher than the player is prepared to accept, resulting in fewer attacking actions. Alternatively the player could be faced with an open goal and 0% risk so will take the attacking option 100% of the time, as would the most risk-averse player given the 0% risk. In football it is impossible to assign x% risk to different situations. Even if it was, a player's Decisions will impact how effectively he reads that risk and his Vision will impact whether he actually sees the 'reward'. The fact remains that a player with a higher mentality will have a higher preference for attacking, but the % of times he attacks depends on a lot of other factors. The same player in the same situation with a more attacking mentality is more likely to attack, than he would be with a less attacking mentality. The "proportional relationship" comes from the Tactics Creator itself. The TC assigns a numerical value for Mentality, it's just 'under the hood' and you can modify your skin to show this. Saying "70-30 preference for attack" is simply a more effective way of demonstrating this than "14" or an unmarked slider. The sliders are alive and well, just lurking beneath the surface! It's a bloody difficult concept to explain simply and clearly, but this is my best effort at the moment. Interested to hear your input on the topic.
  4. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Ok, now the sentence makes sense but I am still not sure I get what you're saying. Re-iterating my response above: The word 'primary' there is to keep things simple avoiding over-complicating the subject with the minor modifications you get from Exploiting the Flanks / Centre, Overlapping fullbacks and the team boost you get not playing a Attack duty attacker - to list the few I am aware of. Not sure if that's what you're getting at? The line you quoted comes from this context: I am saying that a Midfielder with Support duty in Attack team mentality and Flexible team shape has this mentality. Interested to hear your thoughts if that isn't accurate.
  5. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Apologies if this is not clear. Some PIs are listed where I am talking about the Player Duties as well. Eg. if it's a Support role and doesn't naturally get forward more but I say it does then that's a PI. Very difficult to write up the minor details clearly when trying to tackle the bigger issues. The objective is that these threads should enable people to make their own decisions rather than looking to be given a set of instructions. Keep on asking questions if that is not happening yet!
  6. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Would you mind re-phrasing that? "Proportional relationships" and "relational truths" got me there's also possibly a typo in there somewhere as the last part of the sentence does not make sense, to me anyway. Above the line your quoting is: The word 'primary' there is to keep things simple avoiding over-complicating the subject with the minor modifications you get from Exploiting the Flanks / Centre, Overlapping fullbacks and the team boost you get not playing a Attack duty attacker - to list the few I am aware of. Not sure if that's what you're getting at? The line you quoted comes from this context: I am saying that a Midfielder with Support duty in Attack team mentality and Flexible team shape has this mentality.
  7. Marcelo Bielsa's Tactical Philosophy in Football Manager 2017

    Reserved for Matching Analysis and Squad info.
  8. Welcome to - what I should imagine is - my last tactical thread before Football Manager 2018. So far, I have enjoyed looking at some of the most exciting and interesting teams in football history and looking at how we can implement their playing styles in the Football Manager Tactics Creator and see it played out in the match engine. As always - if you have yet to read along so far - I would recommend you start here as I will not spend too much time explaining already-discussed concepts. Johan Cruyff's 3-4-3 Diamond Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2 Arsene Wenger's Invincibles Brazil's Jogo Bonito style Cult Heroes: Wales at Euro 2016 Pep's Barcelona In addition to tactical re-creations we have also looked at some more general real-world tactical theories or Tactics Creator concepts. What is Team Shape? Grassroots Tactics: Simplicity Playing Style, Structure & a modern 4-1-4-1 Universality in Football Manager 2015 (Very Fluid) Remember when I promised that Pep's Guardiola was my last system based on the Very Fluid shape? I am sorry.. Before you think, "here we go again" and your eyes glaze over, this discussion is going to follow a new approach aimed at making the Tactics Creator cleaner, simpler and more rational when implementing your tactical ideas. Resources on Marcelo Bielsa My most common gripe about tactical content, certainly applies to Marcelo Bielsa. There is an awful lot written, but not a lot actually said. There is a lot written about his erratic character - obsessive, genius and nicknamed "El Loco" - or his "disciples", but not much actual tactical content. Please feel free to recommend additional resources, and I am happy to share. Zonal Marking - Bielsa's Chile, the most tactically exciting side (at the 2010 World Cup) Zonal Marking - Marcelo Bielsa set to thrive at Bilbao Zonal Marking - Manchester United 2 - 3 Althetic Bilbao: United unable to deal with Bilbao pressing Analysis of Tactics of Athletic Bilbao by Peter Chulkov Scout Report: Olympic de Marseille 2014/15 by Branko Nikovski Tactical Theory Before we look at the characteristics of Marcelo Bielsa's tactics in more detail, let's introduce a new format which should make it easier to relate real-world football to the Tactics Creator and on to the Match Engine. Football can be broken down into 4-phases: Defence Transition from Defence to Attack (aka. Build-up) Attack Transition from Attack to Defence Now, let's think about Marcelo Bielsa's approach to each of these phases: Defence Famously intense pressing and high defensive line As a general rule, Bielsa maintains a one-man advantage over the opposition striker(s). -> Preferring a 3-man defence when facing a 2-man attack. -> And choosing a 4-man defence against a 3-man attack with a lone centre forward. The rest of team press man-to-man against the entire opposition team. Transition from Defence to Attack Fast attacking transitions Verticality or - for those not a fan of tactical jargon - passing the ball forwards. Build-up play through Defenders comfortable on the ball. Regular use of midfielders in defence, aiding build-play. Attack Attacking unit has been described as an "enganche y tres puntas" which means playmaker and 3-forwards. Bielsa was one of the pioneers of Inverted Wingbacks, essentially acting as auxiliary midfielders in-possession. Stretching the opposition defence using width from either wingers or wingbacks. Runners from deep position support attacks and overload opposition defenders. Transition from Attack to Defence Typically employs 1-2 holding midfielders, protecting the defence from opposition counter-attacks. Bielsa is famous for his 'loco' approach to the game and his 3-3-1-3 formation, but also uses 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 as illustrated thanks to the tactical diagrams from Zonal Marking and Konzeptfußballberlin.de. In Football Manager 2017 Step 1: Team Mentality Team Mentality is - in my opinion - the single most influential component of the Tactics Creator, determining: Base individual mentalities across the team Base levels for: Defensive Line Closing Down Tempo Time Wasting Width Passing Directness (to a smaller extent) Quite simply no other instruction influences - anywhere near - as many aspects of a team's play. In order to simplify our decision, we can group these aspects into 3-core factors which relate to the phases of play outlines earlier. Base individual mentalities across the team => our overall, collective strategy Defensive Line and Closing Down => Defensive strategy Tempo, Width, Time Wasting and Passing Directness => Transition from Defence to Attack / Build-up strategy Later on, we will assign individual Player Duties and use Team Instructions tailor each of these to our exact requirements. Let's apply this theory to the characteristics of Bielsa's play, outlined above. What is our overall, collective strategy? Bielsa advocates pro-active, high-intensity (Spoiler Alert! ) attacking football. What is our defensive strategy? Intense pressing and a high defensive line. What is our build-up / attacking-transition strategy? Fast-attacking transitions, verticality etc. Team Mentality: Attacking Step 2: Formation Re-visiting the quote on formations from Jonathan Wilson: The application of this is that we use formations which facilitate our overall strategy: Facilitates intense pressing, positioning players across the entire pitch. Facilitates quick-attacking transitions, allowing players to quickly get into attacking positions. Given Marcelo Bielsa's flexibility in his approach to structuring his teams, we need to employ a 3-3-1-3, a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1. We will come on to Player Roles and Duties later on. How do these formations facilitate our strategy? High-intensity pressing: Wide 3-man attack means we can effectively press opponents in their own third. We have different midfield options depending on our opponents set-up. Option of either a 3 or 4-man defence, allowing us to maintain a 1-man advantage against our opponents attack. Quick attacking transitions: We have 3 or 4 players in attacking positions ready to attack quickly when we turn over possession. Note: The only aspect which requires any basic knowledge of the Match Engine is positioning the positioning of the Wingbacks in the 4-3-3 due to the issue with a Half-Back playing with a 4-man defence. Step 3: Core Team Instructions Having determined our Team Mentality and Formation we can use Team Instructions to tailor our game plan, exactly as we would like it. The Team Instruction screen throws a lot of information at you. It helps me to divide it down into 3-areas: Core Team Instructions => Instructions relating to our Team Mentality: Defensive Line Closing Down Tempo Time Wasting Width Passing Directness Team Shape (covered later) Auxiliary Team Instructions: All remaining instructions. In the instance of Bielsa, we can use these core Instructions to: Optimise intense-pressing Higher defensive line Close down more Match passing directness to suit attacking-transitions More direct passing => has the side-effect of a minor increase in tempo and width. Step 4: Team Shape Team Shape is the final element of our collective strategy, and determines: How individual players prioritise Team Mentality vs Individual Duty. Collective level of Creative Freedom across the team. Individual Mentality Individual mentality is determined by 3 primary factors: Team Mentality determines a base Mentality level, according to the collective team strategy. Player Duty determines whether an individual is responsible for attacking, defending or supporting in relation to the collective mentality. Team Shape determines to what extent the individual focuses on the Team Mentality vs. their individual Duty. Given that we have already chosen an Attacking team mentality, we can see that a Flexible - instructs individual players to balance Team Mentality and individual Duty equally - team shape gives us the following Mentality distribution: Defend: Balancing a Defensive duty with an Attacking team mentality gives us a Neutral balance between attacking and defensive tendencies. Interestingly, the Attacking mentality description does hint towards this but is very easily overlooked: Support: A Supporting duty balanced with an Attacking mentality gives us a 70-30 preference towards attack. In a Standard mentality system, this level of individual mentality would be considered attacking. Attack: Attacking duty in an Attacking team mentality = all out attack. More than 80-20 in preference of attacking. Team Shape allows us to alter the balance between Team Mentality and Individual Duty, with more Structured shapes prioritising the individual duty and more Fluid shapes prioritising the Team Mentality. Applying this back to Marcelo Bielsa: One of the reasons behind the 'el Loco' nickname is the focus on a collective, attacking mentality. Bielsa's teams attack and defend as a unit. Bielsa typically gives players a high level of collective creative freedom. Team Shape: Very Fluid Deja vu. Sorry.. Step 5: Player Duties Having determined our team mentality and shape, assigning individual player duties will now allow us to: Set individual Mentality Structure our attacking movement Individual Mentalities In the context of an Attacking team mentality and a Very Fluid shape, we can see the individual Mentality assigned to each duty in the Player Instructions screen. Defend => Marginally above neutral. Positive, yet sensible play. In a Standard mentality, this mentality would be associated with a Support role. Support => 70-30 preference for Attack. In a Standard mentality, this would be classed as an Attack duty. Attack => Heavy preference towards attack. Attacking player in an Attacking system. All out attack. Attacking Movement Going back to the 4-phases of football: Defence Transition from Defence to Attack Attack Transition from Attack to Defence We have already defined our strategy for defence and the transition from defence into attack. Player duties influence our attacking shape in 2-ways: More attacking mentalities will - other factors remaining equal - take up more attacking positions on the field. Roles associated with different duties have different profiles for attacking movement. Roles associated with an Attack duty are more likely to get further forward. Roles associated with an Defend duty are more likely to hold position. Roles associated with a Support duty are typically open to customise. How does this influence our Attack and Transition from Attack to Defence phase? Attack Instructing players with Support or Attack duty to get forward more determines Attacking shape. => Next, we'll use specific Roles and PIs to get players into specific positions. Transition from Attack to Defence What happens in the key moment we are attacking - with players committed forward in our attacking shape - and we lose the ball? Instructing players with Defend or Support duty to hold position means they remain in their defensive position guarding against opposition counter-attack. Understanding this we assign players duties depending on: Whether they should be: Positive yet, sensible. Attacking All-out-Attack Whether they should: Get forward in attack Stay back Implementing characteristics we see employed by Bielsa, we can implement: Aggressively commit players forward with attacking runs from deep. Attacking players wide, stretching the opposition and creating width. Use a holding midfield shield to circulate possession and protect from counter attacks. Across all 3 formations, players perform similar duties despite taking up different positions on the pitch. Central Defenders (Defend or Cover) Positive yet sensible mentality Stay back in attack Wingbacks (Support) Attacking mentality Get forward in attack, providing width Inverted Wingbacks (Support) Attacking mentality Neutral movement, naturally moving into midfield. Holding Midfielders (Defend) Positive yet sensible mentality Stay back in attack Advanced midfielder (Support) Attacking mentality Get forward in attack Wingers (Support) Attacking mentality Get forward in attack, providing width Inside Forwards (Support) Attacking mentality Get forward in attack, naturally coming inside Striker (Support) Positive yet balanced mentality -> Strikers on Support always have a lower mentality than other players on Support, conversely Strikers in Attack are more attacking than others. Move into channels creating space We avoid Attacking duties in an Attacking mentality as: We want to attack as a unit. The mentality is simply too extreme. Chasing a lead maybe but playing all-season trying to score at all-costs is an unnecessary risk. Step 6: Player Roles and Instructions Player roles are the icing on the proverbial cake. Player roles are simple. They are nothing more than a pre-set combination of Player Instructions, the name is just a label. In most cases, after selecting Duty you will be left with a handful of options. Your decision simply comes down to: Do you want this player to be a Playmaker / Target Man? Do the Player Instructions associated the role, suit the player and fit your tactical requirements. If not, are they customisable? Not sure we need to walk through every decision, but let's give one example. We already know that my Striker is going to be in the Centre Forward position and playing a Support role, which leaves me 5-options: Deep-Lying Forward Target Man Complete Forward Defensive Forward False 9 Process of elimination: Do I want a Target Man? -> No, I tried it and don't like the long-balls. Target Man. Do I want my Striker to Dribble More? -> No, my primary striker is 35 and his dribbling is 11. Complete Forward False 9 Do I prefer more or less risky passes? -> More, as he is drifting off and has attacking runners all around him. Defensive Forward Hello, Deep-Lying Forward + Move into Channels. Don't forget to set your Goalkeeper distribution. In this case, to the centre backs! Step 7: Auxiliary Team Instructions If the last step was the icing, these are the candles. Finally, we have the remainder of the Team Instructions screen which we bypassed earlier. Offside trap? Tighter Marking? Tackling Instructions? Passing Instructions? Retain Possession? Creative Freedom? Final 3rd instructions? Crossing? Dribbling? Freedom of movement? There are two issues people trip over with Team Instructions: Lots of them are redundant, ignored or unspecific? -> In an Attacking / Very Fluid system, is more creative freedom going to do anything? -> How much is more, anyway? 2 is more than 1, so is 999,999,999. Lots have unclear side effects. -> Retain possession, and play out of defence change passing and tempo settings. -> Focus passing through the middle and look for overlap impact the individual Mentality of related players. My advice: Treat them as an intermediate level area of the Tactics Creator. => Employ them if you know what you're doing => If you're struggling then keep it simple Watch a few games first. => Do you need to employ a particular instruction to improve play? => If yes, watch a few more games and see if it does the trick. In this case our Attacking mentality meant that players were prone to shooting from long range more than I liked during pre-season, so I added Work the Ball into the Box. Overview There we have it. We have used the tactics creator to create: Marcelo Bielsa's high-octane attacking football. Fast-attacking transitions. "Verticality" High-intensity pressing. Applying this style in 3-variants: 3-3-1-3 4-3-3 4-2-3-1 Apologies for a long post. The purpose is to explain decisions in simple way that people can apply to their own tactics. Look at this as a walk-through ahead of a guide I intend to put together around the release of Football Manager 2018. Due to travel commitments I am out of time for now, but the next post is reserved for: Match engine analysis Info on the squad For those who like inverted wingbacks and 3-4-3 diamonds, here's a pre-view: Can't give an ETA at this moment as it's subject to finding time.
  9. Half-Back

    There's always FM2018!
  10. Half-Back

    No, there is still the same issue using a flat back-4. You can make it work by pushing your fullbacks forward into the wingback strata, however - unfortunately - this does limit your options tactically.
  11. Difference between fullback and wingback

    Always look at the Player Instruction screen when you want to compare different roles and / or duties. Wingback (Support) Fullback (Attack) Key Observations FB(A) has a higher Mentality than WB(S) Both instructed to Get Forward More. FB(A) is also instructed to Cross from Byline. Very minor differences between the two roles however FB(A) will have a more attacking mindset. The application of this will depend on your overall team mentality and how you would like the player to play.
  12. FM17: Athletic Club Bilbao - Basque in the glory

    @bowieinspace congratulations. Great signing. Lovely player. As my season goes on I am feeling the effects of not having a left footed wide-attacker. I am either using Munian wrong-footed, Sabin or Villalibre. Sabin has actually done alright. He's not the same quality of the rest of the team but I always have a certain affinity with a player with 20 determination (he's tutored Villalibre too). It's a useful way to get Villalibre game-time as he's yet to find his feet as a consistent goalscorer. Oh, yes and.. Man Utd are linked with bonkers money move for Verrati so I may benefit joining in the transfer merry-go-round.
  13. FM17: Athletic Club Bilbao - Basque in the glory

    Performance of the season, so far: Quite the debut for Merino. Used a back 3 with wingbacks to create a 5v3 on Messi, Neymar and Suarez. Took advantage of Barcelona bypassing their midfield, conceding a 3v2 advantage at MC to create the overload at the back.
  14. FM17: Athletic Club Bilbao - Basque in the glory

    You're not wrong! Squad is absolutely creaking at the seams. Cavalry has arrived with Merino joining on loan. 2 points ahead of Barcelona, 6 ahead of Real Madrid but they have 2-games in hand. Atletico helped us out again beating Real 3-0 from 8th place in the league!
  15. FM17: Athletic Club Bilbao - Basque in the glory

    No, I stay zonal. I mean my MC pressing the opposition MC, my AM pressing the opposition DM, my AMR pressing the opposition DL etc. Every player is accounted for.
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