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I think a football "philosophy" section would be useful, providing definitions of the different styles of football which are possible to create in FM would be useful. I often see some threads where a person will explain they want to play a quick, one touch, possession counter attack style of football. I'm exaggerating here but you know what I mean where sometimes different styles of football which are at odds with one another are cited as inspiration but are unlikely to all work together at the same time, in one specific tactic.

the positive mentality will mean your players take more risk and hence might lose the ball. Why not try bringing the mentality down to balanced and see if that improves your ball retention?

For the 4-2-3-1 it is literally exactly out of the box, no changes to anything. Again having the right players is extremely important. If you don't have an attacking RB, but do have an attacking LB then it is relatively simple to flip the tactic around, as there are no PIs on the players.

Thing is I wanted to understand why? I was hoping that some tacticians more well versed in the game could help me unpack what is going on and understand it a bit better so that I might be able to try my own tactic. For example I am very keen to be able to create a 4-4-2 gegenpress tactic akin to what Ralf Rangnick implemented at RB Salzburg and Leipzig.

I don't know what you mean? I either use the overload tactic from the video (just copy the roles Daljit uses) or I use the Gegepress 4-2-3-1. The most important thing I have found is squad building, and identifying the right sort of players who can perform well. An example I would use at the moment is my IFa Tahith Chong. He is a mercurial talent, very quick great dribbler, but his metals are a bit on the low side. Now he has got youth on his side and might improve in that respect, but at the moment he is quite inconsistent, and there are times where due to his lower mental attributes he makes the wrong decision, electing to dribble to long rather than pass. As I am using high pressing systems I have set a minimum requirement of 15 workrate for all my players. Only excpetionla players get a free pass, and even then I would not go lower than 13. Setting myself these restrictions has allowed me to unearth some great players. My personal favourite has been Lyes Houri. A hardworking, extremely creative French midfielder who I signed for £2.6m from the Hungarian Premier League.

None at all. I actually looked at some of @Rashidi's Creating: Tactics series (the 4-3-3 one and the 4-2-3-1) and I am using the overload tactics he has there. If I am in need of a goal though I'll just switch to the 4-2-3-1 Gegenpress tactic and grab a few goals. The high press on that tactic is really great and I usually get a mistake out of the opposition which leads to a goal. Over a whole season it was good, but consistency was an issue, but that may have been down to a lack of depth in my squad. I have bolstered my squad quite a bit, so next season I will try again the whole season and see how it does.

What sort of remedies?

I will have to try this one out. I did try the tiki-taka 4-2-3-1 and it does play some nice football albeit it toothless at times. I have been running a pretty low effort set up of the Genepress 4-2-3-1 preset, and switching to the Gegenpress 4-3-3 preset when in need of a goal, or playing narrow formations. Playing in Serie A you tend to encounter a lot more different types of formations, and the 4-3-3 seems to play wider and exploit that space.

Just a question really to see if people have had similar experiences to mine. I was playing my save struggling tactically, and in search of just something simple I used the 4-2-3-1 Gegenpress tactic and have to say it has been fantastic and recaptured my enthusiasm. Has any one else had any success with this preset tactic or any of the others for that matter.

Bumping this, but is anyone setting up the tactical challenge this year?

Love the tactic. Having a great time with Leeds, building the squad, and seeing some great football along the way.

@Cult of Football ManagerAre there any specific attribute criteria for players to play in this system? I have had a go trialing it with Leeds, as I thought out of the teams outside of the Europa places they looked to have the squad best suited to this style. Essentially just holidayed out of curiosity. Finished 13th, with some good performances by Bamford in the poacher role grabbing 18 goals. I am going to give it another go for a season having signed some players to boost the rotational options. When it works it works brilliantly, with excellent football. But against the top teams it does sometimes end in a drubbing.

@Cult of Football Manager Is this all using the main tactic? Impressive stuff to only concede 4 goals!

Bumping this as recently I have been enamoured with Ralk Rangnick. Has anyone had any success in implementing a 442 or 424?