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Do you have the save file? I'd be keen to see how far I could take it?

Do you think you could take them to the Prem, or are they capped?

RESULTS POST Took the plunge and bought FM20 so actually played through a whole season. Tried the tactic out with Leeds and played some of the best football I have seen. Very enjoyable. Results Highlights Championship: 1st (6 point gap) FA Cup: Semi-Final Carbao Cup: Semi-Final Stats Highlights Goals For: 1st (77 goals) Goals Conceded: 1st (28 goals) Best Average Possession: 1st (62% 25711passes completed 90% accuracy) - we had almost 5100 completed passes more than 2nd place Best Shooting Accuracy: 2nd (51% with 369 shots on target) Most Clean Sheets: Joint 1st (24 clean sheets) Overall very happy will see how it fairs now in the Premier League

Right! After much tinkering I'm back and I think I may have cracked, he says with baited breath. TLDR: I changed some stuff and the tactic scores goals now and has a tight defense based on a high agressive press. Tested it with Arsenal. Don't know yet how it will fare with Underdogs or lower league players. Key Changes are Based on 3 things: 1. Team Mentality Change 2. TI Changes to temper mentality change and enhance pressing. 3. Role Changes Team Mentality Change One of the best threads I read was @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!'s Caixa Development Thread. There was a specific discussion to do with team mentality, and how it can affect a multitude of different things, but most notably the individual mentality of players. Now in FM 18 these could be boiled down to numbers, but in FM20 these are a spectrum of Individual Mentality labels, ranging from Defensive, Cautious, Balanced, Positive, Attacking and Very Attacking. The change I made from Balanced to Positive, was one motivated by trying to increase the urgency and forward passing of my players, and so that they would take more risk. Now the change affects a lot more than individual mentalities of the players, but to keep it simple that was all I was focussed on, I wanted to ensure that broadly speaking amongst there wasn't to great a disconnect between the individual mentalities of players. The Team mentality did this. My attacking players became more attacking, and my defensive players did too, but by not as much. TI Changes So to temper the increased individual attacking mentalities the two shouts I used were, Overlap on the Left, and Focus Playthrough the middle. Overlap on the Left - Reduced mentality of raumdeuter by a notch, increased WBa mentality by a notch. Both are now Attacking, instead of being Very Attacking, and Positive respectively. Allowed the Raumdeuter not to get to high up the field and get isolated. Allowed WB to be closer and provide better support. Focus Play through middle - mentalities of CDs, CDM, and MC, were increased by a notch from defensive and cautious, to cautious and balanced. Allowed my midfielders to play more forward passes rather than sideways. Pressing changes - Here I went to extremely urgent pressing, a higher line and a much higher line of engagement. This was inspired by some of the plug and play tactics I have used in the passed. They seem to successfully implement a high press so I just copied what they were doing. It turns out it works pretty well and restricts opposition chances. Higher Tempo - I got this idea from the tactics screen. It was a saying a negative aspect of my tactic was a low touches to scoring chance ratio. Effectively my players were taking a whole load of touches in the box with very few goals. The game was essentially confirming what I knew along. Cheers. What it did do though was offer a solution! What?! I could either try Shooting on Sight or Higher Tempo. I played with the former but found players having a go from anywhere which was not what I wanted. The Higher Tempo created a greater sense of urgency and to me it seemed like players too decisive actions (i.e shots and key passes) more quickly. Role Changes AMCL - Relatively simple here. I changed the APs to an AMs, but set to take more risks, and roam from position. The APs was attracting the ball too much for the sake of it. He was quite literally a magnet, and often play would be forced through him when often there was a better option. By making him an AMs he is just another cog in the machine, but at the same time he has the ability to play decisive passes with hims PIs. ST - This for so long had me . I always had a DLFs thinking him dropping deep would create space for Raumdeuter on the left to run into. This did work but often the Raumdeuter was isolated. The DLF would often hold up the ball too much and not really make any sort of positive movement. This is where I noticed that the individual Mentality of a DLF, is Cautious, when combined with a Balanced Team Mentality, and only goes up to Balanced, when paired with a Positive Team Mentality. Take into account that the DLF also Holds Up the ball, and this explains why my striker was so passive. He was literally just a body to pop passes to. I rectified this with an Attacking Pressing Forward instructed to take more risks and dribble more. Combined with the Positive Team Mentality, he has a Very Attacking, individual mentality. This seems him getting forward and creating space, but still being involved in buildup, and of course contributing to the build up. Tactic Congratulations if you made it through that! Tactic is below. I have also attached it to this post if anyone wants to give it a go. 433 high press Arteta v5.fmf

Where is the download? Keen to try it out Found it!

Little update. Moved the APs to the middle rather than the left halfspace. Instructed him to 'roam from position' and 'move into channels' which gives him more freedom to pop up all over the pitch and offer an option in space as a spare man. In the AMCL slot he rigidly stuck to that position, but moving him to AM allows him to roam but still slot into the left half space in build up. Biggest issue is consistency in front of goal. We are profligate in front of goal but very strong defensively, mainly because we hardly give away possession. I am seeing very nice interplay down the left flank, where we draw them to the centre with passes between the HB, DLP and AP, before unleashing the WB who then delivers a cross to the onrushing striker who hits it straight at the keeper. I have experimented with making the striker a DLF on attack, but then he is far too isolated and doesn't help out in defence. ANy ideas on what I can do to boost our threat/ ability to convert chances?

Alright so to steer this slightly back on track. I have experimented a bit and set up a new game with Arsenal. Better team, and harder league, but arguably have all the players of the system I have been trying to replicate. So far so good. We really dominate games well and create a good number of chances and finish them. Still can be inconsistent, but I think with a full season and improvements in the squad this could be a settled tactic. Things I'm particularly pleased with. DLPd - This guy is instructed to stay wider and close down more. In play he covers the wide flank whilst the attacking wing back goes up the pitch. He's not stationed very far wide, but wide enough that he can thwart counters, and with his inclination to take risks he can launch some good through balls or switch the ball to the other flank. I am thinking about putting him on a support duty, but with my left side so attacking with the WBa and the Raumdeuter, I think he will stay as is. APs - I struggled a lot with this guy. Initially had him in the mcl slot, and tried all sorts of rolls. Had an attacking mezalla, attacking AP. Both dropped a little to deep in build up and were leaving my front 3 really isolated. On an attack duty he would often wander to far up the pitch, and also as a mezalla he would get in the way of my RW. He was running around too much and not really threading through any passes. Moved him to the AM strat and his positioning is far better, and with a support duty he still drops deep to help out but not too deep in the build up. I've also dropped the teh mentality to Balanced. On attacking and even positive it was all just a bit rushed, and it was affecting far too many things for my liking. By stripping it back to balanced I had a bit more freedom to experiment with more aggressive roles. If anyone wants to try I have attached the tactic to this post. That's all i've got for now. I know the balance of rolls is somewhat unconventional but its seems to be working. 433 high press arteta.fmf

To clarify, I tried what you suggested, but wasn't having any luck, so I incorporated things which I was using before, and saw a bit more success, but still not quite where I want it. Broadly speaking, the TIs haven't changed in any iteration, and neither have the PIs (More closing down on LW,RW,ST,CML, CMR)

I have a couple of different variations, but the most successful, was this. I get high possession numbers 60%+. and I do get some CCs, but the majority of goals come from set pieces, or the 2nd phase ball after a set piece.

The lack of cutting edge is frustrating me. We dominate possession but don't finish. Made the changes you suggested, and the movement and balance is certainly better, but still don't seem to be getting anywhere which is a bit disheartening.

Hi guys I am trying to get my positional play based 4-3-3 to work, inspired by Guardiola, and more recently what Arteta is trying to achieve at Arsenal. I have been trying to perfect the system with Leeds, and whilst at sometimes we dominate matches and create a lot of clear chances, we suffer from not converting these into goals, and also not being consistent enough. This may be a limitation imposed by the players I have, but given Leeds superiority in the championship this shouldn't be too much of an issue. Expectations from players GK - comfortable playing either long or short but not just hoofing it up the pitch. Should be looking for open players to bypass opposition press. DCs - comfortable on the ball but ultimately keepin it simple LB - Inverted wb tucks in to provide extra numbers LW - Stays wider but with licence to cut in in the final third. RB - Stays wide and overlaps RW - sits narrower and acts as a striker DM - I want him to screen the defense ultimately alongside the inverted wing back MCL - I want him to be a playmaker who runs at defence looking to feed the the the front 3 MCR - I want this guy to be a bit of a water carrier they will have to cover the wide space vacated by the wing back. ST - Can drop deep but also lead the line TIs and Roles selected are shown in the screenshot. Only PIs are for the ST, LW, RW, MCR and MCL to Close Down More. Any thoughts?

Hi guys whats the difference between a Defensive midfielder on defend and a half back.

What mentality? Cautious?

Westy what does your system look like?

I'd like to try this but I can't see the screenshot for the instructions