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Ivan787

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  1. Definitely more more easy to achieve the 2-3-5 pattern using the configuration with Sterling + Mendy on the left and Mahrez on the right.
  2. How about using a flat 3 in midfield to make the two 8s split more in the channel?
  3. I think we have to start from players. Remember that Guardiola style is possible ONLY with very specific players with very specific attribute (and PPM which plays a very important part). I write this because I'm trying to emulate him but with Arsenal (my favourite english team since Invincibles) and I'm struggling about Sokratis. He is a very good marker and tackler but lack in composure, passing, and anticipation. This means that when I ask him to play the ball (CB defend with take fewer risk) his attribute are too much low to manage the ball when pressed, and this lead to a lot of balls lost due to him that clear the ball. The same approach could be used for wingers. I like very much to have wingers with "get into opposite area" as PPM. This means that if the ball is wide on the right I have the opposite winger that is inside the penalty area waiting for the ball. Finally the "come deep to get the ball" for the forward means that you can use an attack duty (so a higher mentality) and still have your player comes deep. About mentality split it depends, I prefer to set a positive mentality and use take fewer risk for IWBs and CBs. Using cautious would give the result of a forward with "defensive" individual mentality that I don't like,
  4. Let me come back to original intent of this thread, which was to try to emulate Pep's tactic and style of play at Man City. After 8 pages of thread we have write a lot of concepts, but it seems that if some aspect are well developed, others still remain dark and hidden. Let's start from what we have assured, and more or less confirmed by Pep in some interviews. 1. Starting line-up is always 4-3-3 which in FM terms could be translated in 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-2-1. In my firsts experiments i used 4-1-4-1 by after re-watching some match I'm not convinced to this. Sanè and Sterling track back a lot, but in my opinion they are definitely forwards and not midfielders. I suppose that AML or AMR with high work rate could track back enough. 2. During build-up from keeper the key concept is to have one extra man. If the opponent plays with lone forward, Man City use the two centrebacks and Fernandinho is positioned in front of them, with two inverted wing backs on both sides, in a 2-3 system. If opponent plays with two forwards Fernandinho usually acts like an Half Back, yet with two IWBs, but this time in a 3-2 system. 3. Passing develop is (in this phase) very calmy and safety, with the main target that is to find a player (often De Bruyne or Silva) in the half space. This is more o less what is "fixed" in the first phases of build-up from the back, and is easily replicable. Than all changes, when the ball arrives to the half spaces, suddenly all change: tempo increases, passing risk increases, movement is constant, and players have more creative freedom. Sometimes (often in match against mid-low table team) the attacking pattern is with Sanè on the left and Sterling on the right, but against top team, in particular in the first weeks of the league, the preferred pattern was with Sterling on the left and Mahrez on the right. Against Liverpool it was more similar 3-1 with Silva acting as a true "10", when Mendy plays he can act like a classic "wingback". If you observe well these are all patterns that is possible to create from a 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 lineup. The only thing that is fixed, also in the attack phase, is "a lot of players can ENTER in the penalty area, nobody can STAY in the penalty area". Man City always get at least 3 players in the penalty area, but in the build-up phase nobody is inside.
  5. @herne79 Apologize me, a stupid question: how can I set my player to close down much more? If I open PI for all my players I have the same thing: not possible to tweak. (Is italian, in English is "less pressing").
  6. Agree, but the difficult is obtaining the attacking pattern in different ways, with different action, depending on who are your opponent. Starting formation is always the same, 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 because I'm still evaluating this solution. Than, after kick-off, things changes depending on situation. Let me show below the occupied zone of Carabao Cup game against Burton, with a very experimental setup. 3-3-1-3 pattern.
  7. Let me complicate the things a bit. We are writing from some weeks about 2-3-5 build-up pattern, and this seems the most used in the last period. But is not the only one used. What happens when Mahrez (and Mendy) plays? The things change a lot because Mahrez is left-footed and he plays on the right, so with "inverted foot". Who plays at the right side? Sterling right footed. Sterling cuts inside with a free role, Mendy bombs forwards and the MC should drop deep......again 2-3-5 but different players, different interpretation, different pattern.
  8. I would use this thread as lineguide to develop my "Pep's inspired" playing style. The use of possession to achieve the target is the same, but is different the use of space. I want my AML and AMR players to stay generally wide, and the two MC should move high up in the pitch to form a "line of 4" behind the striker who should drops deep. The final target is a kind of 2-3-5 system. Probably I will try to start from a 4-1-4-1 with ML and MR, hoping that the gap between midfield and forward won't be too large.
  9. Could be this approach used also in "inverted" manner? I have a striker that has "Come deep to get the ball" and I'm thinking of using him with an attack duty, considering that he probably will link the midfield due to his trait.
  10. I quote this posts because I'm finding here a lot of useful information for my goal to emulate Pep tactics at Man City. One of my challenge, that are making me crazy, is trying to replicate your patient build-up but not only between defenders, but also between midfielders. One of the main feature of Guardiola tactics is the ability to pass and pass and pass the ball, in order to find space, but also in the opposite half of the pitch.
  11. Apologize me, I chase the wrong words. I didn't want to say risky but dangerous. The Guardiola's approach need very talented players, in both mental and technical attribute. This means definitely top player. In the build-up phase, when CBs and DM pass the ball and pass the ball they have to be very confident against opponent pressing. Trying to do this approach with the wrong player could lead to lose the balle in a very dangerous zone. In my opinion is significant that against Klopp, Guardiola often found a lot of difficult in applicating his philosophy. This just to say that Guardiola approach is based on the vital concept that you have to dominate the pitch, and your opponent in most cases will sit and wait. If you don't have the player, the squad, the "reputation" (in FM terms) to do this fundamental of his approach, it is very dangerous to applicare this game. If I look at my match I see that often my player was passing the ball and I have all 10 players in the opposite half....imagine a ball lost from Stones or Laporte there.....
  12. Remember that Guardiola style is very risky, defensively speaking and is based on the assumption that your team will be better than the opponent in most of the match. Trying to use that approach in match where is expected to play defensive because the opponent will have the control of the pitch could be a suicide. This tactical style needs very high mental attribute, in order to maintain possession also if pressed. With a build-up pattern of 2-3-5, with very high defensive line, losing the ball, and failing to do first pressing could leave a lot of space for opponent.
  13. Yes, they are coming close to each other. I also use Roam from position for both. Until now I'm much more satisfied about AP-A than AP-S so I'm thinking of changing him to other role. I think that using other role I can improve the movement off the ball, but using playmaker, due to natural "attractive" role of playmaker respect to the ball, I have a lot of passing between two 8s until they found someone (mainly wingers) free.
  14. Yes I'm looking at Raumdeuter too. The only thing I'm a bit doubtful is that is a role available only in AML/AMR position. Probably I will try to recreate a Raumdeuter in ML/MR role.
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