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  1. The only PIs I use are "cut inside" on left winger and "dribble more" on Libero.
  2. Hate to break your bubble but using lower mentalities does not instantly mean "defensive" tactic. I could play truly defensive football with attacking team mentality and lowest defensive line and lowest line of engagement for example. And 5-6 of my players staying back to create some truly scary Catenaccio system. And depending on my role set up I could make it into a parked bus tactic. But I choose not to. Because my intention is not to park the bus, it's to play balanced style of football where I limit number of conceded goals as much as possible. Hence "Defence-First", not "anti-football" parked bus football. And why would I use NCB when my CBs are very technical and more suited to BPD or Libero role? Again my intention is to show that "Defence-First football can be beautiful clinical style of football without degenerating into Route One Pulisball. So I think you misunderstood the intention of this thread. Sign of a good defensively-responsible tactic are the results, not a specific choice of roles or mentalities. Although some combinations of the two tend to help with defence more than others. The reason why lower mentalities can be conductive to defence is because they equate less risk. But it's not a magic button where you set everything to lowest risk possible and creates a super great defensive tactic. In fact such a tactic would probably be terrible because you would be too passive, give up all the space to AI in front of your goal and "die by thousand cuts" or shots in this case
  3. Mental attributes for good defending are absolutely essential. But I gotta stop preaching when it comes to defence in the game . It's rather simple. And it all starts with attributes. That's all.
  4. Play more aggressively and keep AI out of your own zone. High-defensive line possession style. Of course this might not be possible depending on the quality of your team. But seriously people need to stop blowing this out of proportion. I agree with both @herne79 and @Cloud9 It's not a huge problem at all. AI will barely score enough set piece goals to affect your final league position. You might see less than a handful during season. It's more a problem when human players use it to cheese the game engine. But even then who cares, people have the right to get enjoyment out of a single-player game however they wish right?
  5. Don't give up set pieces. But seriously try to limit the amount you give to AI. Best way to deal with it.
  6. I also add "dribble more" to my Libero, if his dribbling is good enough (13 or higher). I'm currently using a retrained midfielder, Mikel Merino, for this role.
  7. @SeanLaser Incidentally I just covered my own attempt to create 3-2-4-1 in attack from 4-2-3-1. My team has been doing very well because of it. It's a style that's very conductive to possession football and due to Positional Play ME changes it's been very powerful strategy in FM24. In my last post of that thread I also showed a typical 433 formation that would similarly result in 3-2-4-1 in possession. Enjoy! By the way, putting Libero on support is not necessary for it to move up in line with your DM. Defend duty is enough and leaves you less open during counters. I have only conceded 13 goals in 23 league games so far so it's been very solid defensively. You can also refer to excellent threads by @Rashidi where he goes into quite a lot of detail on how to create this shape from both 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 and he always uses Libero with defend duty.
  8. Something like this then? Honestly, I was really tempted to go back to 433 because of this set-up. It's another one where 3-2-4-1 in possession can be created super easily. So either from 4-2-3-1 or 433 you could transition into the overpowered 3-2-4-1 attacking shape. In the end I stuck with 4-2-3-1 just because its a tad more versatile in my opinion. To go from narrow attack to wider (with wingback on right) it just takes fewer adjustments to the overall tactic. In 4-2-3-1 all I do is change the roles of the DM (to HB) and right IFB to Wingback (A) or Fullback (A). And besides I have too many good attacking midfield players to know what to do with But both formations are great when it comes to Positional Play.
  9. Great post @bababooey! I am actually using a very similar formation (and coinsidentally instructions too!) to great success in LaLiga currently. Just a little word of advise, you don't really need to set Libero with Support duty. Because of Positional Play programming in FM24 ME, defend duty Libero will achieve the same kind of movement you are looking for (moving up to combine with DM in 3-2) during possession phase but at same time will be a lot less gung-ho and keep your backend more solid when you lose the ball eventually. It might be less of a risk for you due to playing as Bayern. But with a less overpowered team and/or slower libero can really expose your defence and become a liability. Just a little nitpicky suggestion from the Defence-First guy Going back to 4-2-3-1, its true the football that can be achieved with this shape due to the Positional Play changes in FM24 is truly beautiful! I especially love how you can defend in one shape and then in possession morph into a 3-2-4-1 which is great for maintaining possession and attacking. With Shadow Striker in AMC position it can sometimes feel like downright exploiting the game.
  10. No, team personality is not affected by scouts or other staff. It's purely an amalgam of your player personalities. That's has to be the worst feeling Did you put him in a mentoring group my mistake or something? I never mentor my model professionals (unless by another model professional) and never seen this happen to any of my model professionals before.
  11. Shadow Strikers, Positional Play, and Versatility of 4-2-3-1 Shadow Striker Role I was recently inspired to integrate a Shadow Striker into my tactic (thanks to @Tsuru). But it's a tricky role to get to work in FM24 and one that invariably requires some specific conditions in order to thrive. Firstly, it required a switch to a more top-heavy formation. 4-4-1-1 > 4-2-3-1. With a Shadow Striker, any formation could work but to get the best results you need to bring your AMC strata closer to the opposition. You don't necessarily need to switch to an all out high-pressing gegenpress 4-2-3-1 but getting at least 4 of your attackers closer to the opposition defence will help in both creating overloads and opening spaces for your Shadow Striker to operate in. Mid-block could still work for an exceptionally pacey shadow striker but I would advise against it. Secondly, having roles that cater to the Shadow Striker's movement really helps. Shadow Striker operates primarily through the middle channel and for him to be effective he needs both wide attackers providing width (at least most of the time) and a central striker who is both mobile and intelligent enough to draw opposition defenders out of position and provide support to his Shadow Striker partner. Inside Forwards are not suited as early on they will try to attack the same spaces as SS and will take the limelight away from your SS. Similarly IW, even with stay wider instruction, might still congest your central space. Winger, on the other hand, especially one that operates on the side opposite from his dominant foot, fits well with SS movement. He will cut in, but much later during attacking phase, after the shadow striker made his own move. Some argue for the merits of pairing Targetman-type forward with a Shadow Striker. But I don't believe he is mobile enough for what SS needs. False 9 has traditionally been paired with SS for best results. Yet one does not necessarily need a striker that drops very deep to make space for SS. Mobile strikers like Advanced Forward or Complete Forward can both work very well in occupying opposition defenders and creating space for the AMC to operate in. Advanced Forward will push the defenders back and dribble to the flanks at times which will open channels for your SS. CF will act similarly but will also hold up the ball and provide more traditional support at times. If you have the right player then pairing CF with SS is an ideal combination. Otherwise AF is my next best choice. Another thing to note in the tactic above, is that I went with a central alignment for both striker and shadow striker. Some might suggest that offsetting the SS is preferable, and it works in some situations, but I have my reason. When you offset (play one more to the right/left and the other in the opposite direction) then you invariably limit their runs to only use that specific channel (either left or right depending of their offset side). This will make your attacking movement much more predictable and easier for AI to block. On the other hand, central vertical alignment will allow both players more freedom of movement to choose which channel to attack. This off course only works when you choose a striker with "move into channels" hardcoded instruction (such as CF or AF). And another reason why I would not pair a static striker like TF or Poacher with a Shadow Striker. Positional Play's Versatility As many of you know already know, this year’s match engine had some rather significant changes in how some roles behave and move when out-of-possession (defending) versus in-possession (during attacking phase). Specifically, there are now roles in FM that actively change position from one strata to another. This is designed to accommodate changing tactical shapes: one for defending and one for attacking. One of the central tenets of Juego Posicional (Positional Play). In short to accommodate Positional Play, the following roles behave like this: Inverted Fullback - moves from FB to CD. Inverted Wingback - from FB or WB to DM. Libero - from CD to DM/ Halfback (from DM to CD) – when offset (not central) then he will still cause the two CBs to go wider. Segundo Volante – from DM to AM. Roaming Playmaker – from DM or CM to AM. Box to Box Midfielder – from CM to AM. CM (A) – from CM to AM. Due to these Positional Play changes, possession-heavy styles of football has become more effective than ever. When I use some of these "positional play-inclined" roles in my tactic, then I will get the following shape during possession. A staggered front five (or 4-1 if you will) supported by 3-2 in defence and midfield. A very solid attacking 3-2-4-1 shape, especially in regards to maintaining possession and central build-up. Despite his deep starting position, the Segundo Volante will move up next to your Shadow Striker (due to his hidden positional play coding) while the SS will drift more right and therefore will be ideally positioned to attack the right channel Note how the Libero moves up to form a defensive double pivot with my DM(S). While at the same time a Back-Three is formed with the two Inverted Fullbacks and Ball-Playing Centreback. There is definitely some Match Engine "magic" at play here because in all of my experiments with creating a Back Three in possession, the only role combination that created an ideal spread of the three defenders has been the one with two IFDs and Libero BPD combination in the back. As you can see in the heatmap of the image below. The back three spread to provide us with nice rest defence while the Libero moves up into staggered pivot position with the DM. It does not mean that he always stays back. In fact, in almost regista-like fashion your libero will pop up further upfield to help recycle possession and to support your forwards with pinpoint passes. Not surprisinly, you will need a very good player for the libero role. I am currently using a retrained Defensive Midfielder Mikel Merino who fits the deep defensive playmaker role perfectly. When I tested this with one Inverted Wingback(S), BPD(D), CD(D) and IFB, the three in back of BPD, CD and Inverted Defensive Fullback would not form the nice spread out defensive trio even as the Inverted Wingback and DM(S) formed the double pivot ahead of them. The IFB, Libero, BPD(D) (or CD if you don't have the right player) IFD combination is really ideal when trying to create a 3-2 build-up shape. It also happens to be very defensively solid. These are my statistics this season (while using the above 4-2-3-1 for majority of the games). The 2027-28 season has certainly had the best start so far due to this 4-2-3-1 tactic. Only 13 goals conceded in 21 League games. And our 19 y.o wonderkid Chechu made the role of Shadow Striker into his own with 10 goals scored so far. As an example, this was a game where he scored a hat-trick and we absolutely dominated the opposition as you can see in the match stats. The nice 3-2 in the back attack shape ensures that our ball progression goes mainly through the middle to feed the Shadow Striker. This is just fine when facing most of the opposition which is equal or slightly better than us. But in some matches we happen to be up against a parked bus where the inferior opposition already congests the middle of the field in hopes of stopping our advance. In such cases I make a little change to the tactic to make it play completely different and make us into a more direct wide threat. Note, that in this case, I always play a right Winger with a dominant left foot to make him naturally cut inside late in our attack and make more space for our attacking wingback. At the same time our Half-back will drop back to form a back three again with the IFB and BPD.
  12. Your left side is completely exposed when you lose the ball. With wingback, inside forward and mezzala all actively trying to get forward and not caring so much about defending. Combine that with your very aggressive defending instructions and you got a recipe for disaster. Where is your "rest defence" here? In lower leagues you probably got lucky and didn't get too punished with this sort of defensively sloppy set up but in France's elite division you cannot play like this and expect not to concede tons of goals. Fix your left side and you will probably improve your results.
  13. And what makes you say that defence first football is not possible with current ME? How many test saves have you run? What kind of defensive tactics? Making baiting general statements with no factual proof is generally considered to be bad form on these forums. And people who make such statements are taken even less seriously. So who is the real "joker" in this case?
  14. It's funny but long ball football is all I could remember playing in FM14. Don't know what happened with all the games since.
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