Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Mata. Oh Mata <3 Mike Smalling showing Rooney how to finish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 In pretty much the same minute United score and city concede. A beautiful moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 WTF? Yellow to Memphis for that? What a useless gimp of a referee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Smalling injured. We're ****ed. Jones is back, right? May god have mercy on our souls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Bendtner coming on, that's it for United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Rooney is actually worse than a random person in the crowd :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Have we had a man or two sent off? Why are we camped in our box? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Have we had a man or two sent off? Why are we camped in our box? Playing with 10 men, as per usual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 OMG, another blatant dive, and another freekick. Not often you see such one-sided AWAY refereeing. Hope we still win, mind, this is bonkers to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Does Martial support Real Madrid? His dream to play in Spain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Well there's YET ANOTHER free kick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 In shock he didn't get sent off there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Oh wow Man Utd actually got GIVEN a free kick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Just take it to the corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Meanwhile, Ronaldo has reached 500 professional career goals (501, in fact). That 323 of those have come in 308 Madrid games kind of shows that Madrid actually shafted us with the fee ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Smalling is such a quality defender this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Meanwhile, Ronaldo has reached 500 professional career goals (501, in fact).That 323 of those have come in 308 Madrid games kind of shows that Madrid actually shafted us with the fee ffs It's crazy. We could've gotten twice as much for him would still feel shafted. He's been unreal. Props to smalling. He's been solid as of late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Just take it to the corner. We're not Newcastle thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 The Team playing decent without Rooney on form is a good sign. Rooney never the one to play consistently well anyway he usually needs games before hitting form and then drops off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Oh wow Man Utd actually got GIVEN a free kick Had to rub my eyes, akin to if a pig went flying past my window. Bit more messy when Schweinsteiger went off, but we rode it out and got three well-deserved points. Missed an awful lot of big chances, so not a good game in that sense, but at least we created them, which is definitely positive. Mike Mata MOTM. Both were immense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Newcastle take it to the corner in the 91st minute of a must win CL game when the previous 20+ they were camped in their box? I must have missed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Interesting to see Mata cite physical tiredness as the reason for the scrappy backs-to-the-wall job at the end - not much rotation going on lately beyond the CM pair. Gonna ask since the analysts on my stream raised it so I know I'm not watching a different game - for all the criticisms of pretty much ever other player for their goal, can anyone tell me what Smalling was doing? Again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I've not seen anyone be criticised but Blind and Valencia. He gets drawn towards the ball when he probably should have held his position, academic however when he's left 2v1 by Blind going AWOL. Probably been spending too much time with Phil Jones in training as that's one of his specials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Newcastle take it to the corner in the 91st minute of a must win CL game when the previous 20+ they were camped in their box? I must have missed that. No, they were 2-2 at the time and they had a corner. We wasted at least 90 seconds from the breakdown of the freekick, it's a decent tactic if you have a corner or throw-in and the opposition can squash you into one half of the pitch, with a central freekick in shooting range it's completely counter productive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Newcastle were drawing and could have won it. We were already winning. So yeah, clearly the same. Are you arguing for the sake of it now or do you really believe the ball in our possession for the last minute and a half is a worse option that hitting a shot from that far out, which as it turned out hit the wall and could have gone anywhere? On top of the last 20 mins of being camped in our box not able to get out? Forget it, I don't care. Hopefully Smalling ran off his knock. Don't really want to be going into the next few games with a Jones/Blind CB pairing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 You stick the ball in their corner and it's 30 seconds at most then a 50/50 chance it goes out for a goal kick and they bung it back up the field. If you're desperate to waste time from that position you fake up to shoot and then just pass it backwards and recycle possession. Would still be very silly to not just have a shot from that position though, the team has to grow some balls at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I don't know who was worse last night. Rooney or the referee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Definitely the referee, he had a shocker. At least Rooney worked hard and scuffed a ball off our line. Some of our good attacking display came through him as well. I maintain he gets way more stick than is warranted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUNGSTEVE Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I see our dear manager was saying his players were suffering having to playing 6 games in 18 days. Poor dears, we must arrange a whip round for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Definitely the referee, he had a shocker. At least Rooney worked hard and scuffed a ball off our line. Some of our good attacking display came through him as well. I maintain he gets way more stick than is warranted. I think incidents such as his miss and tackling himself mid rubbish dribble warrant a bit of stick to be fair. Some of his link up play was nice but he needs to do a lot more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Oh I agree, that stumble on the counter was kind of amusing. People criticising him only seem to see these things though, and are (near) blind to anything positive he contributes with. If he actually was as crap and useless as people claim all the time, he wouldn't play, it's that simple really. Based on the comments on Rooney from oddly many fans, you'd think it was an undroppable Bellion or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Rooney is so bad. It's gone beyond the point of me being annoyed now, it's just sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Just watched the game. Good result but we rode our luck at times, the last 15 minutes especially. I actually want to sex Smalling. Amazing how much he has come on in seemingly such a short time, he is like a completely new player. Hopefully he just continues getting better at the rate he is because he'll be phenomenal by the end of the season. It's like Rio without the showy risktaking. Schweinsteiger was so good at breaking up play in midfield and winning the ball back, so great to watch. Rooney and Memphis were pretty poor. Rooney his usual quiet, sloppy self. Memphis just has pretty much no end product at the minute, so infuriating to watch. Decision making is woeful. Mata can be so easy on the eye at times, lovely flick for Smalling's goal. Not a fan of this 2-wingers-at-fullback thing we have going on. Referee was poor, too. Schneiderlin was never a yellow. Will need to play much better against Everton as we can't rely on riding our luck again like last night. EDIT: Oh and I meant to add, what is it about the name Owen that makes you a terrible commentator. Michael Owen usually on BT Sport so was delighted to see it was someone else. After a few minutes of Owen Hargreaves I almost wanted Michael back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 The thing with Rooney for me is more than just his contribution. Its the status he holds in the squad being a blocker for other people. We can't go and buy a world class striker because we have Rooney, or if we did then whoever is playing 10 would miss out. If he was scoring/assisting 40 goals a season then it would be alright but in my opinion his output is squad player level. I think his commercial value to the club above all else helps him maintain his spot. I think LVG has lost faith in him as a striker, already playing Martial there by preference and if the performances at 10 continue it will be interesting to see what happens. I completely agree with this. I have this argument with my cousin and uncle at pretty much every game. It's getting to the point where Rooney is hindering the team, we can't leave him out yet he isn't performing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I completely agree with this. I have this argument with my cousin and uncle at pretty much every game. It's getting to the point where Rooney is hindering the team, we can't leave him out yet he isn't performing. Imagine how much better we'd be with Memphis, Herrera and Mata behind Martial.....Rooney's just holding us back at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 he's been holding us back for a while and will continue to do so as he hopelessly declines even further into his 30s. he needs dropping immediately for herrera, pereira... or basically anyone else who can function as #10. is honestly like playing with 10 men most of the time. make schweinsteiger our undroppable captain instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The thing with Rooney for me is more than just his contribution. Its the status he holds in the squad being a blocker for other people. We can't go and buy a world class striker because we have Rooney, or if we did then whoever is playing 10 would miss out. If he was scoring/assisting 40 goals a season then it would be alright but in my opinion his output is squad player level. I think his commercial value to the club above all else helps him maintain his spot. I think LVG has lost faith in him as a striker, already playing Martial there by preference and if the performances at 10 continue it will be interesting to see what happens. I think LVG saying Rooney can score 25 isn't just a belief, but an expectation privately. We've seen how ruthless he can be with his favoured players. It's no secret we made multiple bids for Muller too, and when you add that we have more leadership in Bastian (something that in fairness Rooney had and offered) you can see his permanent position under threat in the summer if this (almost certainly) continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'd actually really enjoy Rooney not getting the goalscoring record after all the talk being about it, is that bad? (saying that, he probably will get it) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Rooney gets far too much hassle at times. But he doesn't help himself, he is incredibly inconsistent. When he's on fire, he's ridiculous to watch, he was fantastic at times earlier on in the season, that one touch, nutmeg, dribble through the entire defence move was stunning, but he just doesn't do it often enough. When he's having a dodgy day, it is apparent. Misplaced passes, which leads to people getting jittery when he has the ball in our half cos you know he's going to do a cross field ball to their centre mid! I also don't think he did himself any favours going against Sir Alex when it was apparent he was being relegated to the number 10 role, of which others were better than him anyway. He might have got some reprieve with Moyes, but Van Gaal is the second top tier manager to basically say 'yeah, no, you're not a striker.' I get the feeling that might have had a massive impact on his form at the moment, a realisation that he's coming to the end of it. Still rate him highly, just at this point he's never going to improve those aspects of his game. I agree with having Herrera in the middle at number 10, guy has an eye for goal and an eye for a pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Rooney gets far too much hassle at times. I'm sorry, but that's just bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It's hard seeing this as just a rough patch for Rooney as opposed to Rooney just being old and bad. He's never been super consistent (except for that one season) in regards to goal scoring. And I doubt he's going to be this bad all season. I just get the feeling that, at this point, his rough patches are going to be much longer than his not so rough patches. I hope I'm wrong tho. I'd like to see him perform well since it looks like Van Gaal's gonna play him regardless. At least right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'm sorry, but that's just bollocks. It really isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It really isn't. He gets just about no stick from the crowd, (the constant chanting of his name nauseating), and the media are always on his side. He's had a free ride for ages now. To even think for a second he gets too much hassle is laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I don't think we win the title if he doesn't have a good, extended run of form. I also don't think we drop out of the top 4 even with him playing gash. Seems like one of those Falcao risks to me, minimal actual risk for substantial gain, however unlikely it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Not sure you can discount Rooney's form as a rough patch when he's been pretty **** for 18 months now. Still, fully expect him to demand a new £400k p/w contract soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Just as well we had him two seasons ago, he basically kept us in the top half single handedly in Moyes first season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 He gets just about no stick from the crowd, (the constant chanting of his name nauseating), and the media are always on his side. He's had a free ride for ages now. To even think for a second he gets too much hassle is laughable. He gets too much stick from the armchair fans to be honest. People underrate him severely, but I think this article puts it forward better than I ever will: http://www.squawka.com/news/why-wayne-rooneys-world-class-status-is-misunderstood-not-rubbish/174676 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 We'd be a better team with Young in instead of him. Says it all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 He gets too much stick from the armchair fans to be honest. People underrate him severely, but I think this article puts it forward better than I ever will: http://www.squawka.com/news/why-wayne-rooneys-world-class-status-is-misunderstood-not-rubbish/174676 I agree, which is what I have mentioned a couple of times earlier. He's not as brilliant as he was at his best, but based on the comments by certain sections of fans (tom can be an example in this thread for instance), you'd think it was an actual pub footballer or competition winner that was stuck in our team, always playing, and never doing anything right. It's simply not correct. Seems like we must always have at least one player to hate. Right now it's Rooney. At other times it's been Young, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, Gibson, and the list can go on. People only seem to pick up on the negatives, and ignore the positives. Going by comments and interviews, he's respected by those who truly matter though; his coaches, fellow players, and opposition players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 He's getting old, it's not something you can avoid forever. He's never been the best at adapting (his strength in versatility was always doing his normal thing where ever you put him). If he wants to remain part of the squad then he needs to reassess what he's trying to do on the football pitch, just like Scholes, Giggs, Rio etc. did, because he isn't capable of doing it consistently any more. For anyone who wants to defend him look at the number of shots per game he's had for the last 5 seasons and spot a trend. He's just not involved in games like he should be any more. For the longest time I got continual abuse from the likes of Tom and Harry for defending Rooney and I stand by what I said at the time, but ignoring his natural decline is silly. He'll have to adapt or he'll have to go, because his current performances are unacceptable. All that of course requires a lot of dedication and focus which is not something I'm sure Rooney has in him at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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